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How did the Universe come to be?

1.) The Big Bang
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58%
2.) A Universal God
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22%
3.) everything formed on it's own
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2%
4.) everything was already here and has always been
24
5%
5.) other: your own theory if you have one that isn't listed
58
12%
 
Total votes : 469

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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:53 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Why do you consider the Bible in any form a credible source?


I am not using the Bible as a source. One of the poll options was divine creation by God. Traditionally the account of Genesis has been used to support an argument for creation ex nihilo; before Genesis there was zilch, only as God spoke did everything come to be.



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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:54 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Whoever gives me the history of the Universe from creation to now will get a telescope.

You can send the telescope to astrophysicist Brian Harold May CBE.
http://www.amazon.com/Bang-The-Complete-History-Universe/dp/0801889855

Nah, don't satisfy me.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:56 pm

Azathoth piped it into existence.
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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:56 pm

CTALNH wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Aren't they both evolution?

Is eugenics evolution?

yes, just really fucked up artificial selection.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:03 pm

You said a bad word! You shall be banned from this forum! You disgraced Max Barry!
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:03 pm

Mostrov wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No it isn't. The current hypothesis is that in the early universe there was a small patch that contained repulsive gravity, which caused the inflation.

Considering the fact that inflation occurred before gravity or any of the fundamental forces existed this evidently makes a great deal of sense, just as you seemingly figuring out what dark matter and energy are.

Thanks for agreeing with me.
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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:08 pm

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I think we risk becoming the best informed society that has ever died of ignorance. ~Reuben Blades

I got quite annoyed after the Haiti earthquake. A baby was taken from the wreckage and people said it was a miracle. It would have been a miracle had God stopped the earthquake. More wonderful was that a load of evolved monkeys got together to save the life of a child that wasn't theirs. ~Terry Pratchett

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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:09 pm

Biggy Bangy never happened. The End.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:22 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Is eugenics evolution?

yes, just really fucked up artificial selection.

It's not necessarily bad. Unintentional eugenics is effectively practised by most countries in the form of imprisonment &/or execution. I've read an article in New Scientist in which the author argued that humans could have become (somewhat) less violent in part because the violent and criminal elements of society have decreased chances of reproduction compared to the general population. Humans have artificially been selecting themselves to be more docile.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:25 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Biggy Bangy never happened. The End.

Go on then, so-called "astronomer". Explain the CMBR.

Explain the word CMBR.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:29 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Go on then, so-called "astronomer". Explain the CMBR.

Explain the word CMBR.

Cosmic microwave background radiation.
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Postby Thesan » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:30 pm

My idea is the same of Saint Seth from Kent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoqSas2uFKw
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Postby Sociobiology » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:33 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:yes, just really fucked up artificial selection.

It's not necessarily bad.

neither is the phrase "fucked up".
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Postby Zottistan » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:36 pm

Sociobiology wrote:(Image)

That's not much of an argument for anything other than the credibility of science, tbh.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:53 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Explain the word CMBR.

Cosmic microwave background radiation.

So what, if God wants to have that CMBR you speak of let it be. You don't know how Big Bang could have started anyway, there are lots of theories about it.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:56 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:

So what, if God wants to have that CMBR you speak of let it be.

Thy "God" hypothesis explains nothing. What's a "God" anyway? Where did it come from? Why would it create the CMBR?
The Big Bang theory predicts & explains the CMBR.

The Solar System Scope wrote:You don't know how Big Bang could have started anyway, there are lots of theories about it.

Irrelevant. People didn't know the cause of lightening. They still knew that lightening exists.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:05 pm

Conscentia wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:So what, if God wants to have that CMBR you speak of let it be.

Thy "God" hypothesis explains nothing. What's a "God" anyway? Where did it come from? Why would it create the CMBR?
The Big Bang theory predicts & explains the CMBR.

The Solar System Scope wrote:You don't know how Big Bang could have started anyway, there are lots of theories about it.

Irrelevant. People didn't know the cause of lightening. They still knew that lightening exists.

What "irrelevant"? For a theory to stand, it must have an explanation for EVERYTHING!!! If Big Bang didn't have an explanation on how it started, it isn't a proper theory.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:08 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Thy "God" hypothesis explains nothing. What's a "God" anyway? Where did it come from? Why would it create the CMBR?
The Big Bang theory predicts & explains the CMBR.

Irrelevant. People didn't know the cause of lightening. They still knew that lightening exists.

What "irrelevant"? For a theory to stand, it must have an explanation for EVERYTHING!!! If Big Bang didn't have an explanation on how it started, it isn't a proper theory.

No - a theory only has to explain the the thing it's explaining. The Big Bang theory explains the early universe.

Also see:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/sep/04/stephen-hawking-big-bang-gap
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Postby Novorden » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:14 pm

I like the Quantum Vacuum fluctuation/big bag theory.

"In quantum physics, a quantum vacuum fluctuation (or quantum fluctuation or vacuum fluctuation) is the temporary change in the amount of energy in a point in space,[1] as explained in Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle."

'temporary' in this case being several billion (trillion?) years.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... vP6dvl_uT0

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Postby Seperates » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:14 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Thy "God" hypothesis explains nothing. What's a "God" anyway? Where did it come from? Why would it create the CMBR?
The Big Bang theory predicts & explains the CMBR.


Irrelevant. People didn't know the cause of lightening. They still knew that lightening exists.

What "irrelevant"? For a theory to stand, it must have an explanation for EVERYTHING!!! If Big Bang didn't have an explanation on how it started, it isn't a proper theory.

You don't understand how science works then.
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Postby Kratu » Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:18 pm

Sociobiology wrote:(Image)


Carl Sagan also said something like that didn't he? Like if civilization collapsed and rose again your story about a snake and a man in the sky wouldn't survive but science would be rediscovered.
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