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How did the Universe come to be?

1.) The Big Bang
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58%
2.) A Universal God
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3.) everything formed on it's own
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4.) everything was already here and has always been
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5%
5.) other: your own theory if you have one that isn't listed
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12%
 
Total votes : 469

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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:59 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:That's not true. Many religions do that, but not the right one.

Voodoo. *nod*
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:01 am

Hindenburgia wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:That's not true. Many religions do that, but not the right one.

And how do you know your religion is the "right" one?

It's the least sinister. ;)
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:04 am

Hindenburgia wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:That's not true. Many religions do that, but not the right one.

And how do you know your religion is the "right" one?

Because most religions are involved in politics (Vatican) and wars (Hootoo-Tootsie).
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Postby Hindenburgia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:05 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Hindenburgia wrote:And how do you know your religion is the "right" one?

Because most religions are involved in politics (Vatican) and wars (Hootoo-Tootsie).

...So you're a Quaker, then?

EDIT: And what does being involved with war or politics have to do with whether or not a given religion is "right"?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:08 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Why do you believe Big Bang happened, there is no evidence.

Incorrect. There is tons of evidence. We have found over and over that our observations of the universe are compatible with a finite-aged universe that is between 13 and 14 million years old, that started with a big bang event. Here is one recent example.
Why do you believe evolution happened, there is no evidence.

Because there actually is quite a lot of evidence. Come to think of it, if you accept the existence of mutations at all (which I really, really, really hope you do) then it is impossible to deny the existence of evolution without some seriously egregious special pleading.

Check your orders of magnitude.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:08 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Hindenburgia wrote:And how do you know your religion is the "right" one?

Because most religions are involved in politics (Vatican) and wars (Hootoo-Tootsie).

The Rwandan Civil War had nothing to do with religion.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:09 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Hindenburgia wrote:And how do you know your religion is the "right" one?

Because most religions are involved in politics (Vatican) and wars (Hootoo-Tootsie).

This is how you determine your religion is right? How does this make sense?

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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:11 am

Farnhamia wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Because most religions are involved in politics (Vatican) and wars (Hootoo-Tootsie).

The Rwandan Civil War had nothing to do with religion.

Well sort of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_i ... 4_Genocide

But that's almost always true to a degree.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:22 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The Rwandan Civil War had nothing to do with religion.

Well sort of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_i ... 4_Genocide

But that's almost always true to a degree.

Well, I stand corrected but that article seems to say that churches in Rwanda were split among themselves over the genocide and war. It doesn't seem to have been a root cause of the conflict but just another reason for the two tribes to hate each other.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:03 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:The difference between Big Bang/Evolution and Belief in God is that the latter gives you answer to the meaning of life while the other makes you melancholic.


Truth has no responsibility to make you happy. If your view of the universe doesn't match with reality, you're going to have to change your view, because the universe isn't going to reshape itself to make you happier.
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Postby Tyriece » Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:36 pm

The Big bang is a incomplete theory that is part of a bigger theory which is called the Ekpyrotic Universe theory. http://wwwphy.princeton.edu/~steinh/npr/

But there are things about it that make some scientists uneasy. For starters, the idea that the universe underwent a period of rapid inflation early in its history cannot be directly tested, and it relies on the existence of a mysterious form of energy in the universe's beginning that has long disappeared. Inflation is an extremely powerful theory, and yet we still have no idea what caused inflation. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/20250302/

There are many things that we are not sure of such as How did life begin? What is consciousness? What is dark matter, dark energy, gravity?
And if anyone here can fully answer these questions with there research I suggest you speak to the Norwegian Nobel Committee for your Nobel Peace Prize.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:12 pm

Tyriece wrote:The Big bang is a incomplete theory that is part of a bigger theory which is called the Ekpyrotic Universe theory. http://wwwphy.princeton.edu/~steinh/npr/

No, it isn't. The Ekpyrotic Universe theory is an extension of M-Theory which itself is an extension of string theory. The Big Bang is not a part of the Ekpyrotic Universe anymore than it is a part of Eternal Inflation.
Tyriece wrote:But there are things about it that make some scientists uneasy. For starters, the idea that the universe underwent a period of rapid inflation early in its history cannot be directly tested, and it relies on the existence of a mysterious form of energy in the universe's beginning that has long disappeared. Inflation is an extremely powerful theory, and yet we still have no idea what caused inflation. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/20250302/

Uh...no. The idea behind what causes inflation is a "repulsive gravity" created by a negative pressure. We have observed such negative pressure during experiments and use Einstein's equations to make predictions about inflation.
Tyriece wrote:There are many things that we are not sure of such as How did life begin? What is consciousness? What is dark matter, dark energy, gravity?
And if anyone here can fully answer these questions with there research I suggest you speak to the Norwegian Nobel Committee for your Nobel Peace Prize.

Was there even a point to this post other than to pretend you have a clue what you're talking about?
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Postby Wytenigistan » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:14 pm

I'm not going to pretend I know the answer nor should anyone if they are being intellectually honest.
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:27 pm

No one knows. I find it so pointless to have thread about topics like this. We dont know, and we probably never know. We can debate and speculate all we want, but it comes to no good in the end.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:30 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:No one knows. I find it so pointless to have thread about topics like this. We dont know, and we probably never know. We can debate and speculate all we want, but it comes to no good in the end.


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Postby Great Kleomentia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:32 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:No one knows. I find it so pointless to have thread about topics like this. We dont know, and we probably never know. We can debate and speculate all we want, but it comes to no good in the end.


Pursuit of truth is worthy for itself, even if the truth is unattainable. It's aspirational.

Its irrational. Why dig for a treasure that doesnt exist?
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Postby Moroada » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:39 pm

I do believe in the big bang theory, but I won't speculate on what there was before the big bang until more facts are discovered.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:18 pm

Moroada wrote:I do believe in the big bang theory, but I won't speculate on what there was before the big bang until more facts are discovered.

Well the fact that time did not exist previous to the Big Bang would seem to pretty well address that.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:19 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Tyriece wrote:The Big bang is a incomplete theory that is part of a bigger theory which is called the Ekpyrotic Universe theory. http://wwwphy.princeton.edu/~steinh/npr/

No, it isn't. The Ekpyrotic Universe theory is an extension of M-Theory which itself is an extension of string theory. The Big Bang is not a part of the Ekpyrotic Universe anymore than it is a part of Eternal Inflation.
Tyriece wrote:But there are things about it that make some scientists uneasy. For starters, the idea that the universe underwent a period of rapid inflation early in its history cannot be directly tested, and it relies on the existence of a mysterious form of energy in the universe's beginning that has long disappeared. Inflation is an extremely powerful theory, and yet we still have no idea what caused inflation. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/20250302/

Uh...no. The idea behind what causes inflation is a "repulsive gravity" created by a negative pressure. We have observed such negative pressure during experiments and use Einstein's equations to make predictions about inflation.
Tyriece wrote:There are many things that we are not sure of such as How did life begin? What is consciousness? What is dark matter, dark energy, gravity?
And if anyone here can fully answer these questions with there research I suggest you speak to the Norwegian Nobel Committee for your Nobel Peace Prize.

Was there even a point to this post other than to pretend you have a clue what you're talking about?

Thanks for sparing me the trouble.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:25 pm

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Pursuit of truth is worthy for itself, even if the truth is unattainable. It's aspirational.

Its irrational. Why dig for a treasure that doesnt exist?


I can never actually be perfect, or know everything.

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop trying to be better than I am, trying to learn more than I know.
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Postby ShadowDragons » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:27 pm

The big bang is a crap theory. How did all the matter come to be in the first place? The theory doesn't explain it. I say god created all the matter and forces in the universe. He created the matter that caused the big bang.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:29 pm

ShadowDragons wrote:The big bang is a crap theory. How did all the matter come to be in the first place? The theory doesn't explain it. I say god created all the matter and forces in the universe. He created the matter that caused the big bang.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

If you're going to use that terrible logic, what created god?
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:29 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Great Kleomentia wrote:Its irrational. Why dig for a treasure that doesnt exist?


I can never actually be perfect, or know everything.

That doesn't mean I'm going to stop trying to be better than I am, trying to learn more than I know.

Self-improvement is great. But wasting time on something that you know cant be achieved is stupidity and has nothing to do with self-improvement.
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Postby Fretten » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:30 pm

In the beginning, there was nothing.
Then something happened and existence shit us out.
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Postby Rabopari » Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:30 pm

the big bang, obviously.
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