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How did the Universe come to be?

1.) The Big Bang
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2.) A Universal God
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3.) everything formed on it's own
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4.) everything was already here and has always been
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5.) other: your own theory if you have one that isn't listed
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Postby Revitopia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:50 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Why only one planet? Why not more planets with life? Because God only wanted one!


How do you know? Assuming a god has made this all one would think that its a little overkill to only populate w/ 7 billion carbon meat sacks.


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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:51 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Why only one planet? Why not more planets with life? Because God only wanted one!


Two serious problems there.

One: We haven't really looked at any other worlds yet. We don't know how many have life.

Two: We don't know that 'god' - if he/she/it exists only wanted life on one.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:51 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Risottia wrote:I know six-year-old kids with a better understanding of the Big Bang theory.

Well, you live in a country with at least a mild appreciation of science. Except seismology.
Bombadil wrote:What's truly amazing about God' creation is that he managed it in the dark, I mean he created heaven and earth and then said 'well, let's see what I did', and, like, he'd created the whole universe.

I'd like to see these so-called 'scientists' just create stuff in the dark.

Well, since nanotechnology occurs at a level below that which visible light can resolve, one could argue that it was performed in the technical absence of light :)
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Not all are valid, but there are a number of phenomena the Big Bang cannot adequately explain. The invention of dark energies and matters stand partially as testament to this.
Example,
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/41 ... -universe/

of course your problem there is that nothing explains them better, and it explains plenty of other stuff nothing else explains like cosmic background radiation and light element ratios.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:51 am

You forgot the trillions of other life forms on Earth and nowhere else.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:52 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:You forgot the trillions of other life forms on Earth and nowhere else.

How do you know, "nowhere else"?
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:53 am

Vadorva wrote:The Big Bang
The Big Bang supposedly is something that just flashed and the universe was here. The entire infinite universe felt this flash, really? Do you realize just how big the object that created such a thing would have to be? Impossibly large to cover the infinite universe, plus we can't really prove the Big Bang actually happened, we would need the scientific method to prove this, and I don't see how we can. I think this option is illogical because of how infinite the universe is, also this theory just seems to be something scientists just put out there to counter the God theory.

A Universal God
As far as Gods go, we can't prove or disprove the existence of a God in general. What I mean is we prove Earthly Gods are fake, but generally the supernatural being that is a God is something we can't prove/disprove. Now let's go further with this, a universal God creates and sustains the universe. I can see it, but that would mean this God is taking care of the infinite universe at the same time, do you see the problem with this? This God can't be everywhere at once so it is illogical to say he sustains the infinite universe, let alone creating it, which is what he should still be doing because the universe is infinite. I think this option is illogical because why would a Universal God need to create material forms? He should already have everything in his utopia, there shouldn't be a need for creation.

My Theory
I can see 2 theories happening,1.) the infinite universe beginning when stars first formed, how I can't really say, maybe the particles that make up the sun existed at the same time back then. But as the universe is infinite, not all areas were suddenly developing, when the first suns developed they gravitationally forced all the other particles to orbit them and that created planets which led to galaxies, ect. Essentially gasses formed, made stars that put everything else in place.

2.) it's all a lie, just one big conspiracy set to fool us and keep us contained :twisted:. Seriously though, my second theory is that everything was just here, there is no fantastic super amazing story behind it, it was just here. Of course this is the least likely of the two, but it's possible. There was no forming, no Big Bang, no God, everything was always here.

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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:53 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Why only one planet? Why not more planets with life? Because God only wanted one!


Two serious problems there.

One: We haven't really looked at any other worlds yet. We don't know how many have life.

Two: We don't know that 'god' - if he/she/it exists only wanted life on one.

One is enough. Enough problem caused by all evil people.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:54 am

Farnhamia wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:You forgot the trillions of other life forms on Earth and nowhere else.

How do you know, "nowhere else"?

Cause we never found other.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:55 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:How do you know, "nowhere else"?

Cause we never found other.

Where have we checked? Mars? All of Mars? Been to any other planets lately, have you?
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:56 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:How do you know, "nowhere else"?

Cause we never found other.

of course we have only looked at one other place, and "looked" is not quite the right term of a single tiny robot wandering around, hoping to stumble on it.

fill one cup of water from the ocean, look no fish, therefore there are no fish in the ocean...
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:57 am

Don't need to. Just read the Bible.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:58 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Don't need to. Just read the Bible.

so you think the world is flat too?
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:58 am

Sociobiology wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Don't need to. Just read the Bible.

so you think the world is flat too?

I'm not sure it ever says the world is flat in the Bible.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:59 am

Sociobiology wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Cause we never found other.

of course we have only looked at one other place, and "looked" is not quite the right term of a single tiny robot wandering around, hoping to stumble on it.

fill one cup of water from the ocean, look no fish, therefore there are no fish in the ocean...

But if God said there isn't life elsewhere there is no life elsewhere.
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Postby Vazdania » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:59 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:of course we have only looked at one other place, and "looked" is not quite the right term of a single tiny robot wandering around, hoping to stumble on it.

fill one cup of water from the ocean, look no fish, therefore there are no fish in the ocean...

But if God said there isn't life elsewhere there is no life elsewhere.

Where is it written that there isn't life elsewhere? :blink:
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:59 am

Sociobiology wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Well, you live in a country with at least a mild appreciation of science. Except seismology.
Well, since nanotechnology occurs at a level below that which visible light can resolve, one could argue that it was performed in the technical absence of light :)
Not all are valid, but there are a number of phenomena the Big Bang cannot adequately explain. The invention of dark energies and matters stand partially as testament to this.
Example,
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/41 ... -universe/

of course your problem there is that nothing explains them better, and it explains plenty of other stuff nothing else explains like cosmic background radiation and light element ratios.

From my vague understanding of the article I linked, the theorist proposed that the constant state of contraction and expansion in the universe, tied with the equivalence he proposed of mass to length and time to space, would presumably explain light element.

It could allow us to do away with dark matter as a concept, the existence of which was theorised to make the models work, but he readily admits it does not explain cosmic radiation.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:01 am

Sociobiology wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Don't need to. Just read the Bible.

so you think the world is flat too?

That's a lie created from the fake religion. The Bible says "above the circle of Earth" and "hangs Earth on nothing". How true are these statements?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:01 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Two serious problems there.

One: We haven't really looked at any other worlds yet. We don't know how many have life.

Two: We don't know that 'god' - if he/she/it exists only wanted life on one.

One is enough. Enough problem caused by all evil people.


...what are you talking about? That in no way addresses either point.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:03 am

Vazdania wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:But if God said there isn't life elsewhere there is no life elsewhere.

Where is it written that there isn't life elsewhere? :blink:

That would be a gigantic fact and if it existed it would say it in the Bible!
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:03 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Don't need to. Just read the Bible.


That's sarcasm, right?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:03 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Don't need to. Just read the Bible.


You don't need to check, you just read the bible - which doesn't even ask the question, much less answer it?
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:05 am

Read my other posts...
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:05 am

The Scientific States wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Don't need to. Just read the Bible.


That's sarcasm, right?


I'm beginning to suspect so.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:06 am

2000 views anniversary!!!!
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:07 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Where is it written that there isn't life elsewhere? :blink:

That would be a gigantic fact and if it existed it would say it in the Bible!


That's not even a good argument, there are any number of 'gigantic facts' not even vaguely alluded to in the bible. The speed of light, the uncertainty principle, the structure of DNA, heliocentrism... there's more stuff not in the bible than in it. (Obviously).
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