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How did the Universe come to be?

1.) The Big Bang
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58%
2.) A Universal God
104
22%
3.) everything formed on it's own
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2%
4.) everything was already here and has always been
24
5%
5.) other: your own theory if you have one that isn't listed
58
12%
 
Total votes : 469

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Seangoli
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Postby Seangoli » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:56 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Well, why can't we find one then, huh?

We have.

If you're asking why we can't go to them, that's because space is very very big. Honestly, that you claim to be an astronomer...


Well, it's also important to note that the Galaxy is very, very, very big and that planets comparatively are very, very, very small. Further, the only real way we have to locate planets for the most part is indirectly based on how they interact with their stars. Which means that *most* planets we have found have been massive in size because they create a very noticeable effect on their host star's position. We simply do not have the means to "directly" see planets, let alone Earth-sized planets (Or planets even remotely the size and mass of earth). They are too far away, and the light reflecting from them is drown out by the light emitted by their stars.

But honestly, we are progressing in leaps and bounds every year. Pluto (Which is no longer a "true" planet, but still) was not discovered until the 1930's. Since then we have, as you pointed out, discovered over a thousand exo-planets. And our ability to detect smaller planets is getting better all the time.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:34 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:How can a simulator of the solar system exist if there aren't any perfect laws that allow us to calculate the motions of the celestial objects?


That doesn't even make any sense. Not just because our model of the planets and stars has been revised over millennia - but because the 'perfect' laws are simple mechanical principles of velocity and gravitation. We can model them so well because they ARE so fundamental.
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Postby Seriong » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:26 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:Most of your lives don't have a meaning.
Born, education, job, marriage perhaps, scientific breakthrough perhaps, children perhaps, theories, theories, theories, theories, old age, death. The End.

We're born, and we die, might as well enjoy the ride.
Or: Life is what you make of it.
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Divair wrote:How is this remotely relevant?

Big Bang: We're all going to die and the Universe will end.
Creation: If we believe in God and follow his laws, we can be His friends and live forever on Earth most of us.

You cannot chose what you believe, you have to be convinced. If I put a gun to your head and told you to believe something, you may say you do, but you wouldn't actually. As well, isn't God omniscient? Wouldn't he know if we were just pretending to believe?
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Postby Free Soviets » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:34 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:Big Bang: We're all going to die and the Universe will end.
Creation: If we believe in God and follow his laws, we can be His friends and live forever on Earth most of us.

literally none of that follows.

first, because if there were any gods, they did set things up so that the universe started with the big bang. it is simply true. but how they setup the end game is a distinct question.

and second...obviously if creation happened, the universe ends when the fire giants burn everything and nothing remains. where did you ever get any foolish ideas about 'forever'?

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Postby Mkuki » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:10 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
Divair wrote:How is this remotely relevant?

Big Bang: We're all going to die and the Universe will end.
Creation: If we believe in God and follow his laws, we can be His friends and live forever on Earth most of us.

That's not what the Big Bang theory says. There are numerous other theories on the ultimate fate of the universe (such as the Big Freeze), but the Big Bang is only concerned with creation. Not destruction.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:24 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:Big Bang: We're all going to die and the Universe will end.

That's not even wrong.

The Solar System Scope wrote:Creation: If we believe in God and follow his laws, we can be His friends and live forever on Earth most of us.

Except that's demonstrably bullshit. All water on Earth is going to be vaporized in one billion years, and in four billion years our dear Sun will swallow our planet whole and burn it to a crisp.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:28 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:We're the only creatures that wonder about the meaning of life.
We're the only creatures that want to live forever and seek for it.
We're the only creatures that are religious.
We're the only creatures that try to explain stuff.

And you want to know why we are the only known species on this planet capable of that sort of abstract thought?

In a nutshell, it's because we are bipedal animals with small hips.
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Political compass stuff:
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Postby The Bronydom Fandom » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:32 pm

The Universe is trolling you. And you are crying.

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Postby Mkuki » Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:45 pm

The Solar System Scope wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:No, we're so unique that we express feelings like love, anger, sorrow and happiness.

Better argument you cannot argue with:
We're the only creatures that wonder about the meaning of life.
We're the only creatures that want to live forever and seek for it.
We're the only creatures that are religious.
We're the only creatures that try to explain stuff.


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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:38 pm

Mkuki wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Better argument you cannot argue with:
We're the only creatures that wonder about the meaning of life.
We're the only creatures that want to live forever and seek for it.
We're the only creatures that are religious.
We're the only creatures that try to explain stuff.


Is there evidence of the third line?


Quite the contrary, if anything - even in our species of creatures, not all of them want to live forever.
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Mkuki
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Postby Mkuki » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:54 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Mkuki wrote:
Is there evidence of the third line?


Quite the contrary, if anything - even in our species of creatures, not all of them want to live forever.

I meant the religious one.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:42 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Mkuki wrote:
Is there evidence of the third line?


Quite the contrary, if anything - even in our species of creatures, not all of them want to live forever.

Speaking as a monkey: I want to live forever.

I'm pretty sure no animal looks forward to death. Except maybe the proboscis monkey.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:34 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Quite the contrary, if anything - even in our species of creatures, not all of them want to live forever.

Speaking as a monkey: I want to live forever.

I'm pretty sure no animal looks forward to death. Except maybe the proboscis monkey.


On the other hand, most animals - humans included - don't actually fear it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to have a long, healthy life - but I don't think 'forever' necessarily holds any temptation.
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:52 am

Why do we exist?
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Postby Divair » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:54 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Why do we exist?

Irrelevant.

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:55 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Why do we exist?


To feed the cats.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:55 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Why do we exist?

Because our mommy and daddy loved eachother very much.
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Postby Divair » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:56 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Why do we exist?


To feed the cats.

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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:58 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Why do we exist?


For most people that can be attributed to their parents having sex at some point, leading to their conception and eventual birth.

If you mean in some philosophical "what was I put on this earth to do, what role are humans meant to play in existence" sense - well, we don't exist for any special, greater reason. If a big hunk of space rock hit earth, resulting in our entire species ceasing to exist, the universe would keep on doing what it's doing completely unaffected by our passing. The only purpose we have is that which we give ourselves.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:00 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Why do we exist?

No particular reason that I'm aware of.

Now, where did we leave that topic again?
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:03 am

Why does life exist?
(Changed question 'cås you didn't änswör right)
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:04 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Why does life exist?
(Changed question 'cås you didn't änswör right)

Why should there be a reason?
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I am a far-left moderate social libertarian.
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Libertarian: 2.62
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Cultural liberal: 9.12
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Cosmopolitan: 71%
Secular: 80%
Visionary: 62%
Anarchistic: 43%
Communistic: 78%
Pacifist: 40%
Anthropocentric: 50%

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Postby Divair » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:04 am

The Solar System Scope wrote:Why does life exist?
(Changed question 'cås you didn't änswör right)

Irrelevant.

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Postby New Educandi » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:09 am

I MADE THE UNIVERSE
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Postby The Solar System Scope » Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:09 am

Divair wrote:
The Solar System Scope wrote:Why does life exist?
(Changed question 'cås you didn't änswör right)

Irrelevant.

The government consider you irrelevant.
I don't.
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