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How did the Universe come to be?

1.) The Big Bang
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2.) A Universal God
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3.) everything formed on it's own
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2%
4.) everything was already here and has always been
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5%
5.) other: your own theory if you have one that isn't listed
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12%
 
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How did the Universe come to be?

Postby Vadorva » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:01 am

The Big Bang
The Big Bang supposedly is something that just flashed and the universe was here. The entire infinite universe felt this flash, really? Do you realize just how big the object that created such a thing would have to be? Impossibly large to cover the infinite universe, plus we can't really prove the Big Bang actually happened, we would need the scientific method to prove this, and I don't see how we can. I think this option is illogical because of how infinite the universe is, also this theory just seems to be something scientists just put out there to counter the God theory.

A Universal God
As far as Gods go, we can't prove or disprove the existence of a God in general. What I mean is we prove Earthly Gods are fake, but generally the supernatural being that is a God is something we can't prove/disprove. Now let's go further with this, a universal God creates and sustains the universe. I can see it, but that would mean this God is taking care of the infinite universe at the same time, do you see the problem with this? This God can't be everywhere at once so it is illogical to say he sustains the infinite universe, let alone creating it, which is what he should still be doing because the universe is infinite. I think this option is illogical because why would a Universal God need to create material forms? He should already have everything in his utopia, there shouldn't be a need for creation.

My Theory
I can see 2 theories happening,1.) the infinite universe beginning when stars first formed, how I can't really say, maybe the particles that make up the sun existed at the same time back then. But as the universe is infinite, not all areas were suddenly developing, when the first suns developed they gravitationally forced all the other particles to orbit them and that created planets which led to galaxies, ect. Essentially gasses formed, made stars that put everything else in place.

2.) it's all a lie, just one big conspiracy set to fool us and keep us contained :twisted:. Seriously though, my second theory is that everything was just here, there is no fantastic super amazing story behind it, it was just here. Of course this is the least likely of the two, but it's possible. There was no forming, no Big Bang, no God, everything was always here.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:02 am

The Great Greek Arkleseizure. Duh!
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Postby Galloism » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:02 am

The Holy Therns wrote:The Great Greek Arkleseizure. Duh!

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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:04 am

Galloism wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:The Great Greek Arkleseizure. Duh!

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Postby Kannap » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:06 am

On my beliefs of the created of the Universe:

Genesis 1:1 wrote:In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:06 am

God...Used the Big Bang to create the Universe. There Atheists and Theists are now both happy....

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Postby Divair » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:08 am

Vadorva wrote:The Big Bang
The Big Bang supposedly is something that just flashed and the universe was here. The entire infinite universe felt this flash, really? Do you realize just how big the object that created such a thing would have to be? Impossibly large to cover the infinite universe, plus we can't really prove the Big Bang actually happened, we would need the scientific method to prove this, and I don't see how we can. I think this option is illogical because of how infinite the universe is, also this theory just seems to be something scientists just put out there to counter the God theory.

This paragraph is so full of shit I don't even know where to start.

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:08 am

So a god doesn't need a creator but a universe just has to have one.
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Postby Vadorva » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:08 am

Kannap wrote:On my beliefs of the created of the Universe:

Genesis 1:1 wrote:In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.


But why would he need to create anything? Because he's artistically expressing himself?
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Postby Vistulange » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:08 am

The Time Alliance wrote:God...Used the Big Bang to create the Universe. There Atheists and Theists are now both happy....


You know, this is actually what I believe. They don't have to be mutually exclusive: Allah created the universe in the form of the Big Bang, in my humble opinion.
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:09 am

It was all shaped by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, using His Noodly Appendages.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:09 am

Vadorva wrote:
Kannap wrote:On my beliefs of the created of the Universe:



But why would he need to create anything? Because he's artistically expressing himself?


"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth because why the fuck not."
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Postby Vadorva » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:09 am

Divair wrote:
Vadorva wrote:The Big Bang
The Big Bang supposedly is something that just flashed and the universe was here. The entire infinite universe felt this flash, really? Do you realize just how big the object that created such a thing would have to be? Impossibly large to cover the infinite universe, plus we can't really prove the Big Bang actually happened, we would need the scientific method to prove this, and I don't see how we can. I think this option is illogical because of how infinite the universe is, also this theory just seems to be something scientists just put out there to counter the God theory.

This paragraph is so full of shit I don't even know where to start.


Then do so, otherwise I have to assume you have no arguement
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:10 am

The Time Alliance wrote:God...Used the Big Bang to create the Universe. There Atheists and Theists are now both happy....

No, because there is no God. Thus, I can not be made happy by stating that this "God" "used" the Big Bang.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:10 am

Vadorva wrote:The Big Bang
The Big Bang supposedly is something that just flashed and the universe was here. The entire infinite universe felt this flash, really? Do you realize just how big the object that created such a thing would have to be? Impossibly large to cover the infinite universe, plus we can't really prove the Big Bang actually happened, we would need the scientific method to prove this, and I don't see how we can. I think this option is illogical because of how infinite the universe is, also this theory just seems to be something scientists just put out there to counter the God theory.


I think you're confusing menopause with the Big Bang.
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:11 am

Vadorva wrote:
Divair wrote:This paragraph is so full of shit I don't even know where to start.


Then do so, otherwise I have to assume you have no arguement


The Big Bang was no flash or a bang.
It was a tiny dot that suddenly started expanding.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:11 am

I wouldn't really know, but I expect there are some clever people around working on it.


Oh, and I further expect that this thread will be just riddled with people who know as much or less than me, but who are fully confident that what little they know is the full and complete explanation for the origin of the universe.
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Postby Vadorva » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:11 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:It was all shaped by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, using His Noodly Appendages.


All hail spaghetti! :bow:
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:12 am

Vadorva wrote:The Big Bang
The Big Bang supposedly is something that just flashed and the universe was here. The entire infinite universe felt this flash, really? Do you realize just how big the object that created such a thing would have to be? Impossibly large to cover the infinite universe, plus we can't really prove the Big Bang actually happened, we would need the scientific method to prove this, and I don't see how we can. I think this option is illogical because of how infinite the universe is, also this theory just seems to be something scientists just put out there to counter the God theory.

A Universal God
As far as Gods go, we can't prove or disprove the existence of a God in general. What I mean is we prove Earthly Gods are fake, but generally the supernatural being that is a God is something we can't prove/disprove. Now let's go further with this, a universal God creates and sustains the universe. I can see it, but that would mean this God is taking care of the infinite universe at the same time, do you see the problem with this? This God can't be everywhere at once so it is illogical to say he sustains the infinite universe, let alone creating it, which is what he should still be doing because the universe is infinite. I think this option is illogical because why would a Universal God need to create material forms? He should already have everything in his utopia, there shouldn't be a need for creation.

My Theory
I can see 2 theories happening,1.) the infinite universe beginning when stars first formed, how I can't really say, maybe the particles that make up the sun existed at the same time back then. But as the universe is infinite, not all areas were suddenly developing, when the first suns developed they gravitationally forced all the other particles to orbit them and that created planets which led to galaxies, ect. Essentially gasses formed, made stars that put everything else in place.

2.) it's all a lie, just one big conspiracy set to fool us and keep us contained :twisted:. Seriously though, my second theory is that everything was just here, there is no fantastic super amazing story behind it, it was just here. Of course this is the least likely of the two, but it's possible. There was no forming, no Big Bang, no God, everything was always here.

The Universe is 46 billion lightyears wide. Hardly infinite.
Evidence for the Big Bang lies in the cosmic microwave background radiation, radiating from one point in space and a few degrees warmer than absolute zero. Science has everything down to a billionth of a second after the Big Bang, and all before it. The Universe, according to the theory, was compressed into a singularity that expanded into the form it now takes.
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Postby Soled » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:12 am

The material from the previous universe pulled together and created the Big Bang. That is a real theory, not just my idea.
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Postby Vadorva » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:13 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
Vadorva wrote:
Then do so, otherwise I have to assume you have no arguement


The Big Bang was no flash or a bang.
It was a tiny dot that suddenly started expanding.


That would take so much time and space, how can you really say that tiny dot created the infinite universe?
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Postby The Time Alliance » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:13 am

The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:God...Used the Big Bang to create the Universe. There Atheists and Theists are now both happy....

No, because there is no God. Thus, I can not be made happy by stating that this "God" "used" the Big Bang.

At least it's better than the argument every Christian usually goes to...

"there's no such thing as the big bang."

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Postby Divair » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:14 am

Vadorva wrote:The Big Bang supposedly is something that just flashed and the universe was here.

This is not what the Big Bang was. There was no flash or sudden creation of the universe.

Vadorva wrote: Do you realize just how big the object that created such a thing would have to be?

Not particularly big.

Vadorva wrote: plus we can't really prove the Big Bang actually happened, we would need the scientific method to prove this, and I don't see how we can.

Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#O ... l_evidence
http://www.schoolsobservatory.org.uk/as ... os/bb_evid
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesi ... rev2.shtml
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html
http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~yukimoon/B ... igBang.htm
http://burro.astr.cwru.edu/stu/cosmos_bigbang.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... _bang.html
http://cosmology.carnegiescience.edu/timeline/1964


Vadorva wrote:I think this option is illogical because of how infinite the universe is,

Not infinite at all.

Vadorva wrote:also this theory just seems to be something scientists just put out there to counter the God theory.

Deities are not a theory. They're an unprovable hypothesis with no evidence.

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:14 am

Vadorva wrote:
The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
The Big Bang was no flash or a bang.
It was a tiny dot that suddenly started expanding.


That would take so much time and space, how can you really say that tiny dot created the infinite universe?

The fuck are you talking about?
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:14 am

Vistulange wrote:
The Time Alliance wrote:God...Used the Big Bang to create the Universe. There Atheists and Theists are now both happy....


You know, this is actually what I believe. They don't have to be mutually exclusive: Allah created the universe in the form of the Big Bang, in my humble opinion.

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Vadorva wrote:
The Armed Republic of Dutch coolness wrote:
The Big Bang was no flash or a bang.
It was a tiny dot that suddenly started expanding.


That would take so much time and space, how can you really say that tiny dot created the infinite universe?

Maybe the universe was a zero-energy virtual particle from another universe that expanded and absorbed energy from all around itself until it burst.
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