Monsanto gmos found to be killing babies in the womb

[Luveria]

All the more reason to increase business regulations and reform the legal system, is it not? A corporation can't be faulted for going to extreme lengths that they are allowed to legally achieve.

Um, yes it can. See, I view corporations as collections of people. People should have a little moral fiber, just a tad, so as not to use the legal environment to force them at the point of a gun to buy their product or be sued out of house and home. This is especially true if their actions were in no way to blame for what you're suing over.

Walmart can legally duck Obamacare by hiring all part time staff, and pay them slave wages. They're still shitty for doing so.

Except a corporation isn't really a collection of people. Its only obligation is to maximize profits within any legal means it can. If a system is broken enough to allow corporations to exploit that, that is a fault of the government and not of corporations finding ways around regulations.

[Galloism]

Um, yes it can. See, I view corporations as collections of people. People should have a little moral fiber, just a tad, so as not to use the legal environment to force them at the point of a gun to buy their product or be sued out of house and home. This is especially true if their actions were in no way to blame for what you're suing over.

Walmart can legally duck Obamacare by hiring all part time staff, and pay them slave wages. They're still shitty for doing so.

Except a corporation isn't really a collection of people. Its only obligation is to maximize profits within any legal means it can. If a system is broken enough to allow corporations to exploit that, that is a fault of the government and not of corporations finding ways around regulations.

A corporation is an entity organized by a group of people and run by a group of people. There is some overlap between the two groups.

I don't think holding them to basic human standards of justice and fairness is too tall an order. If they can't do that, they should all be disbanded and excised like a cancerous lesion.

I don't think that's the route we want to go.

[Luveria]

Except a corporation isn't really a collection of people. Its only obligation is to maximize profits within any legal means it can. If a system is broken enough to allow corporations to exploit that, that is a fault of the government and not of corporations finding ways around regulations.

A corporation is an entity organized by a group of people and run by a group of people. There is some overlap between the two groups.

I don't think holding them to basic human standards of justice and fairness is too tall an order. If they can't do that, they should all be disbanded and excised like a cancerous lesion.

I don't think that's the route we want to go.

As pointed out, I'm in favour of strong business regulations to prevent corporate douchery. It seems nonsensical to get mad at corporations for doing what they are allowed to do.

[The Emerald Legion]

Except a corporation isn't really a collection of people. Its only obligation is to maximize profits within any legal means it can. If a system is broken enough to allow corporations to exploit that, that is a fault of the government and not of corporations finding ways around regulations.

A corporation is an entity organized by a group of people and run by a group of people. There is some overlap between the two groups.

I don't think holding them to basic human standards of justice and fairness is too tall an order. If they can't do that, they should all be disbanded and excised like a cancerous lesion.

I don't think that's the route we want to go.

They do. It's called following the law.

[Gauthier]

Monsanto making GMO's, meh, not a fan of it.
Their legal department and how they handle contracts is however, fucking scary.

It isn't scary. Their legal department is a model of corporate efficiency other businesses should strive to emulate.

Which is like McDonald's suing a small diner into oblivion because someone ate a Big Mac and left the carton there.

[Imperializt Russia]

A corporation is an entity organized by a group of people and run by a group of people. There is some overlap between the two groups.

I don't think holding them to basic human standards of justice and fairness is too tall an order. If they can't do that, they should all be disbanded and excised like a cancerous lesion.

I don't think that's the route we want to go.

They do. It's called following the law.

They do what they do more for not being illegal than being legal.

Hence their business practices in less developed countries and how it differs drastically to practices they have in the west.

[Luveria]

It isn't scary. Their legal department is a model of corporate efficiency other businesses should strive to emulate.

Which is like McDonald's suing a small diner into oblivion because someone ate a Big Mac and left the carton there.

That I would like to see.

[Luveria]

They do. It's called following the law.

They do what they do more for not being illegal than being legal.

Hence their business practices in less developed countries and how it differs drastically to practices they have in the west.

Hence why it's irrational to blame corporations. People shouldn't hate the player. They should seek to improve the rules of the game.

[Galloism]

A corporation is an entity organized by a group of people and run by a group of people. There is some overlap between the two groups.

I don't think holding them to basic human standards of justice and fairness is too tall an order. If they can't do that, they should all be disbanded and excised like a cancerous lesion.

I don't think that's the route we want to go.

They do. It's called following the law.

Actually, its called abusing the law.

A corporation is an entity organized by a group of people and run by a group of people. There is some overlap between the two groups.

I don't think holding them to basic human standards of justice and fairness is too tall an order. If they can't do that, they should all be disbanded and excised like a cancerous lesion.

I don't think that's the route we want to go.

As pointed out, I'm in favour of strong business regulations to prevent corporate douchery. It seems nonsensical to get mad at corporations for doing what they are allowed to do.

I get mad at people for making me slow down by driving slowly with no cause. I get mad at people for trying to isolate their partner from their family. I get mad when politicians spout utter complete lies and people buy them. I get mad at a whole host of things people do that they are legally allowed to do.

I don't see what makes corporations so special and above reproach when they behave like douchebags.

[Blackhammer]

I just remembered something.

Do you guys remember the farmer suicide epidemic that happened after a failed Monsanto crop?

This is somewhat more related to Monsanto's business practices than GMOs.

Take a look.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 29250.html
http://www.projectcensored.org/21-monsa ... e-economy/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crops.html

[Luveria]

As pointed out, I'm in favour of strong business regulations to prevent corporate douchery. It seems nonsensical to get mad at corporations for doing what they are allowed to do.

I get mad at people for making me slow down by driving slowly with no cause. I get mad at people for trying to isolate their partner from their family. I get mad when politicians spout utter complete lies and people buy them. I get mad at a whole host of things people do that they are legally allowed to do.

I don't see what makes corporations so special and above reproach when they behave like douchebags.

Probably because they aren't doing anything illegal?

And when they do get caught doing something illegal then corporations like GlaxoSmithKline have to pay a whopping fine of billions, which in all honesty is scraps from GSK's yearly profits?

[Gauthier]

Which is like McDonald's suing a small diner into oblivion because someone ate a Big Mac and left the carton there.

That I would like to see.

I see you hate small businesses.

[Luveria]

That I would like to see.

I see you hate small businesses.

To the contrary, I would like to have a small business someday.

I merely enjoy seeing ridiculous lawsuits for the same reason I enjoy reading the Onion's dystopian stories.

[United Marxist Nations]

I just remembered something.

Do you guys remember the farmer suicide epidemic that happened after a failed Monsanto crop?

This is somewhat more related to Monsanto's business practices than GMOs.

Take a look.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 29250.html
http://www.projectcensored.org/21-monsa ... e-economy/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crops.html

That probably would have happened without GM crops too.

[Galloism]

I get mad at people for making me slow down by driving slowly with no cause. I get mad at people for trying to isolate their partner from their family. I get mad when politicians spout utter complete lies and people buy them. I get mad at a whole host of things people do that they are legally allowed to do.

I don't see what makes corporations so special and above reproach when they behave like douchebags.

Probably because they aren't doing anything illegal?

And when they do get caught doing something illegal then corporations like GlaxoSmithKline have to pay a whopping fine of billions, which in all honesty is scraps from GSK's yearly profits?

I don't rightly believe that you have never gotten mad at someone who was doing something legal.

Regarding the fines being insufficient, that's another issue. Fines for illegal activities should probably be based on gross revenue or net profit. There's no incentive to obey the law if you make more money when you don't, even when caught.

Which, once again, is a shitty thing to do.

[Luveria]

I just remembered something.

Do you guys remember the farmer suicide epidemic that happened after a failed Monsanto crop?

This is somewhat more related to Monsanto's business practices than GMOs.

Take a look.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 29250.html
http://www.projectcensored.org/21-monsa ... e-economy/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crops.html

That probably would have happened without GM crops too.

Yeah, it's not like any farmer has ever committed suicide from failed crops. They've only been doing that ever since Monsanto came into existence. Yup.

[Luveria]

Probably because they aren't doing anything illegal?

And when they do get caught doing something illegal then corporations like GlaxoSmithKline have to pay a whopping fine of billions, which in all honesty is scraps from GSK's yearly profits?

I don't rightly believe that you have never gotten mad at someone who was doing something legal.

Regarding the fines being insufficient, that's another issue. Fines for illegal activities should probably be based on gross revenue or net profit. There's no incentive to obey the law if you make more money when you don't, even when caught.

Which, once again, is a shitty thing to do.

That's my point. The system is terribly flawed and begging for exploitation because it's so full of holes. No politician is going to run on a platform of making corporate regulation reforms when they don't want to lose their biggest sources of campaign funding.

[Imperializt Russia]

I get mad at people for making me slow down by driving slowly with no cause. I get mad at people for trying to isolate their partner from their family. I get mad when politicians spout utter complete lies and people buy them. I get mad at a whole host of things people do that they are legally allowed to do.

I don't see what makes corporations so special and above reproach when they behave like douchebags.

Probably because they aren't doing anything illegal?

And when they do get caught doing something illegal then corporations like GlaxoSmithKline have to pay a whopping fine of billions, which in all honesty is scraps from GSK's yearly profits?

The logical conclusion of this mindset seems to worryingly be that we have to implement a lot of unpleasant-sounding laws to better the boundaries of behaviour permitted.

I'd rather just live in a society where toeing the line of the law was frowned upon, and acting in an objectively acceptable manner was the norm.

[Luveria]

Probably because they aren't doing anything illegal?

And when they do get caught doing something illegal then corporations like GlaxoSmithKline have to pay a whopping fine of billions, which in all honesty is scraps from GSK's yearly profits?

The logical conclusion of this mindset seems to worryingly be that we have to implement a lot of unpleasant-sounding laws to better the boundaries of behaviour permitted.

I'd rather just live in a society where toeing the line of the law was frowned upon, and acting in an objectively acceptable manner was the norm.

Easier said than done. You cannot merely wish malicious behaviour away.

[Galloism]

I don't rightly believe that you have never gotten mad at someone who was doing something legal.

Regarding the fines being insufficient, that's another issue. Fines for illegal activities should probably be based on gross revenue or net profit. There's no incentive to obey the law if you make more money when you don't, even when caught.

Which, once again, is a shitty thing to do.

That's my point. The system is terribly flawed and begging for exploitation because it's so full of holes. No politician is going to run on a platform of making corporate regulation reforms when they don't want to lose their biggest sources of campaign funding.

I know.

It's still a shitty thing to do, even if legal. Things can be legal and still be ethically corrupt. Things can be illegal yet ethically required.

The law is not exactly the harbinger and beacon of ethics. It aligns more often than not, but there's holes.

Meanwhile, I can still call out organizations on shitty business practices.

[Union of Confederate Socialist Republics]

Do you have any actual scientific sources, or is this simply baseless libel and scaremongering?

[Luveria]

That's my point. The system is terribly flawed and begging for exploitation because it's so full of holes. No politician is going to run on a platform of making corporate regulation reforms when they don't want to lose their biggest sources of campaign funding.

I know.

It's still a shitty thing to do, even if legal. Things can be legal and still be ethically corrupt. Things can be illegal yet ethically required.

The law is not exactly the harbinger and beacon of ethics. It aligns more often than not, but there's holes.

Meanwhile, I can still call out organizations on shitty business practices.

As you should, because criticism is the only thing that will spur changes into eventually happening. It's what led to increased regulations preventing tobacco companies from targeting minors, so yes, criticism does help. A society that passively accepts wrongdoings will never have those wrongdoings reduced.

[Galloism]

I know.

It's still a shitty thing to do, even if legal. Things can be legal and still be ethically corrupt. Things can be illegal yet ethically required.

The law is not exactly the harbinger and beacon of ethics. It aligns more often than not, but there's holes.

Meanwhile, I can still call out organizations on shitty business practices.

As you should, because criticism is the only thing that will spur changes into eventually happening. It's what led to increased regulations preventing tobacco companies from targeting minors, so yes, criticism does help. A society that passively accepts wrongdoings will never have those wrongdoings reduced.

Quite so. So when you see a farmer with a contaminated field sued out of his farm because of the fucking wind, you should be outraged. You don't just say "oh that's legal".

You call it out. You scream it.

You make sure everyone that can hear you hears it. Saying "eh, it's legal" is a great way to keep it that way. In essence, you should feel bad for not being outraged.

[Vorkova]

Is this thread even remotely true? Killing people sounds like it would be bad for business after all.

[Galloism]

Is this thread even remotely true? Killing people sounds like it would be bad for business after all.

Phillip Morris is on line 2 for you.