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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:32 am

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Well, they can't be used for that, it's literally not possible.

Plus, we've been genetically modifying crops for millennia. We've just found a much safer way to do so.

are you sure that it isn't possible? I'm not saying that its happening, I'm just saying its possible. if anything it would expalin why there are so many shills for monsanto.

Yes, I'm absolutely sure it's not possible; how the fuck would you control someone through that.

Also, most people here hate Monsanto (including myself), but for their business practices, which is the only good reason to hate them. If we just go "hurr-durr organic", we'll starve to death a whole 4 billion or so people.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:44 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
An All-Natural Nation wrote:are you sure that it isn't possible? I'm not saying that its happening, I'm just saying its possible. if anything it would expalin why there are so many shills for monsanto.

Yes, I'm absolutely sure it's not possible; how the fuck would you control someone through that.

Also, most people here hate Monsanto (including myself), but for their business practices, which is the only good reason to hate them. If we just go "hurr-durr organic", we'll starve to death a whole 4 billion or so people.

Very possibly even more. Organic agriculture isn't just more inefficient, it's also more labor-consuming and expensive.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:45 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yes, I'm absolutely sure it's not possible; how the fuck would you control someone through that.

Also, most people here hate Monsanto (including myself), but for their business practices, which is the only good reason to hate them. If we just go "hurr-durr organic", we'll starve to death a whole 4 billion or so people.

Very possibly even more. Organic agriculture isn't just more inefficient, it's also more labor-consuming and expensive.

It kind of reminds me of this time I accompanied my father (a university professor specializing in pest control in agriculture) to a convention, and someone said that we should stop using GMO crops. My father replied with "So, I guess you're pro-slavery?"
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:47 am

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:Inb4 "they're not babies they're just useless clumps of cells"

They're not useless for most people, for it is not parasitic since it provides reproduction and family growth.

They are useless for some (actually MANY) people, for they do not desire reproduction and family growth.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:06 am

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
Divair wrote:Fuck the natural order.

No, fuck the artificial anti-natural order that is prevalent today. Gmos are one of the worst examples of this. Proponents claim that gmos will "feed the world" but all they do is kill people and poison mother earth while also separating us from nature even more.


Earth isn't a mother. It's a ball of inanimate materials collected into a solid whole via gravitational pull, surrounded by an atmospheric bubble generated again by that gravitational pull, spinning through an endless empty void filled with massive fusion reactors and objects with such massive gravitational pull that not even light can escape.

Your limited idea of nature is just another, inferior form of technology. Banana's, corn, cherries, animals, berries, pretty much everything you could imagine as "All natural" food has been systematically bred to favor certain traits. It's little different than the results of a laboratory philosophically, save that it takes a lot more time. We have twisted the biosphere in our own image, and had done so long before the industrial revolution or genetic engineering.

Factually, you're argument is wrong. philosophically, without merit.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:07 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
An All-Natural Nation wrote:No, fuck the artificial anti-natural order that is prevalent today. Gmos are one of the worst examples of this. Proponents claim that gmos will "feed the world" but all they do is kill people and poison mother earth while also separating us from nature even more.


Earth isn't a mother. It's a ball of inanimate materials collected into a solid whole via gravitational pull, surrounded by an atmospheric bubble generated again by that gravitational pull, spinning through an endless empty void filled with massive fusion reactors and objects with such massive gravitational pull that not even light can escape.

Your limited idea of nature is just another, inferior form of technology. Banana's, corn, cherries, animals, berries, pretty much everything you could imagine as "All natural" food has been systematically bred to favor certain traits. It's little different than the results of a laboratory philosophically, save that it takes a lot more time. We have twisted the biosphere in our own image, and had done so long before the industrial revolution or genetic engineering.

Factually, you're argument is wrong. philosophically, without merit.

You're just saying that because you secretly work for Monsanto!
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:08 am

Without bothering to read past the first page, I was shocked and quite disappointed to see everyone dogpile the OP and dismiss his sources as biased, while just a cursory glance would have revealed he did indeed post a source from the peer-reviewed literature:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3811000566

Now all the hand-waving anti GMO rants aside, there are scientific studies showing the links between herbicides and fetal damage. The OP's link is one example. Here are a couple others that took me about a minute to find. Seriously, this is a legitimate thing to be concerned over: not genetically modified crops themselves, but the chemicals that are propogated on the back of these crops. All the sarcastic mockery of Natural News in the world isn't going to change that.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3804002059
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3X09003047
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:09 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Earth isn't a mother. It's a ball of inanimate materials collected into a solid whole via gravitational pull, surrounded by an atmospheric bubble generated again by that gravitational pull, spinning through an endless empty void filled with massive fusion reactors and objects with such massive gravitational pull that not even light can escape.

Your limited idea of nature is just another, inferior form of technology. Banana's, corn, cherries, animals, berries, pretty much everything you could imagine as "All natural" food has been systematically bred to favor certain traits. It's little different than the results of a laboratory philosophically, save that it takes a lot more time. We have twisted the biosphere in our own image, and had done so long before the industrial revolution or genetic engineering.

Factually, you're argument is wrong. philosophically, without merit.

You're just saying that because you secretly work for Monsanto!


It's not a secret. I'm part of their not-so-secret police. Who kick down the doors of scientific journals and drag green scientists into white vans, never to be heard from again. ;)
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:10 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:You're just saying that because you secretly work for Monsanto!


It's not a secret. I'm part of their not-so-secret police. Who kick down the doors of scientific journals and drag green scientists into white vans, never to be heard from again. ;)

White vans? You mean black vans.
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:11 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
It's not a secret. I'm part of their not-so-secret police. Who kick down the doors of scientific journals and drag green scientists into white vans, never to be heard from again. ;)

White vans? You mean black vans.


We started using white vans because everyone expects a black van. White vans are much less suspicious.

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:11 am

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Regnum Dominae wrote:Allopathy has saved my life twice. Fuck that shit.

No it hasn't. Allopathy has never cured a single person, all it does is poison people with chemicals.

Your body is made of chemicals.

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Postby Utceforp » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:12 am

Luveria wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:White vans? You mean black vans.


We started using white vans because everyone expects a black van. White vans are much less suspicious.

Do your vans have "free candy" written on the side? Because I've heard that helps.
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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:13 am

Aggicificicerous wrote:Without bothering to read past the first page, I was shocked and quite disappointed to see everyone dogpile the OP and dismiss his sources as biased, while just a cursory glance would have revealed he did indeed post a source from the peer-reviewed literature:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3811000566

Now all the hand-waving anti GMO rants aside, there are scientific studies showing the links between herbicides and fetal damage. The OP's link is one example. Here are a couple others that took me about a minute to find. Seriously, this is a legitimate thing to be concerned over: not genetically modified crops themselves, but the chemicals that are propogated on the back of these crops. All the sarcastic mockery of Natural News in the world isn't going to change that.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3804002059
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3X09003047

and which of those (there are hundreds of herbicides) are related to her claim about Monsanto?
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:13 am

Napkiraly wrote:
An All-Natural Nation wrote:No it hasn't. Allopathy has never cured a single person, all it does is poison people with chemicals.

Your body is made of chemicals.

Everything is a chemical.
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Postby Luveria » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:13 am

Utceforp wrote:
Luveria wrote:
We started using white vans because everyone expects a black van. White vans are much less suspicious.

Do your vans have "free candy" written on the side? Because I've heard that helps.


No. My kidnapping van has a plumbing company logo on the sides.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:16 am

Utceforp wrote:
Luveria wrote:
We started using white vans because everyone expects a black van. White vans are much less suspicious.

Do your vans have "free candy" written on the side? Because I've heard that helps.


That's children, not hippies. Hippies need sheep, or mandolins or something. We haven't figured it out so we just stick to intercepting them at the journals.

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:17 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Your body is made of chemicals.

Everything is a chemical.

Except for Teddy Roosevelt. He was Aether.

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Postby Aggicificicerous » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:24 am

Sociobiology wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:Without bothering to read past the first page, I was shocked and quite disappointed to see everyone dogpile the OP and dismiss his sources as biased, while just a cursory glance would have revealed he did indeed post a source from the peer-reviewed literature:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3811000566

Now all the hand-waving anti GMO rants aside, there are scientific studies showing the links between herbicides and fetal damage. The OP's link is one example. Here are a couple others that took me about a minute to find. Seriously, this is a legitimate thing to be concerned over: not genetically modified crops themselves, but the chemicals that are propogated on the back of these crops. All the sarcastic mockery of Natural News in the world isn't going to change that.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3804002059
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3X09003047

and which of those (there are hundreds of herbicides) are related to her claim about Monsanto?


All of them. Come on. You want better sources, and now you don't want to even read the abstracts? They all deal with glyphosate, which is Roundup.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:25 am

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Allopathy has saved my life twice. Fuck that shit.

No it hasn't. Allopathy has never cured a single person, all it does is poison people with chemicals.

:rofl:

No. It put my asthma to sleep and made my life 95% more workable in spite of rhinitis.

I even needed antibiotics that made my liver sensitive to this day because homeopathy didn't help at all to kill the Stafilococcus sp. and Streptococcus sp. that made a colony inside one of my ear-nose tube and made me have chronic sinusitis and middle otitis that led to a 42°C fever (42.2°C is where it is fatal). Nor did it help with my rhinitis when I was a preteen. :roll:
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Postby Britain and Brittany » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:25 am

Lenciland wrote:So, Monsanto is killing clumps of cells. Do you think the starving Ugandan lady cares if it kills a few clumps of cells if she can eat?

The Ugandan woman can't eat anyway. They can't afford Monsanto products
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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:25 am

Luveria wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Do your vans have "free candy" written on the side? Because I've heard that helps.


No. My kidnapping van has a plumbing company logo on the sides.

go with a pest removal van, no one ever searches them and no one questions you carrying a big bag with some blood on it.
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:26 am

Thomas Hobbes nicely sums up my opinion on the naturalist movement.
In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."

People have been endangered by the natural environment more than anything else. As people have pointed out, these articles are little more than fear-mongering and hot air. GMOs have saved countless lives across the globe. How often do you hear "over a billion lives saved" said of "organics"?

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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:28 am

Aggicificicerous wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:and which of those (there are hundreds of herbicides) are related to her claim about Monsanto?


All of them. Come on. You want better sources, and now you don't want to even read the abstracts? They all deal with glyphosate, which is Roundup.

uh huh and what about creating resistant crops that will need less roundup, makes GMO crops bad.
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