Is the bible greatly misunderstood?

[Vazdania]

You know how religion promises the right path for salvation? Many want that salvation and are so self centered that they consider even the most little things like their angst to be a bigger suffering comparable to the even bigger sufferings of others. So now doubtful that that religion has not brought them the happiness they wanted (considering even they had actually not moved a muscle in their body to actually do anything about their lives), they cut religion off their lives.

Don't kill me! I didn't mean you!

No atheist I know of has come to atheism through this reasoning.
Maybe one or two have.
But the vast majority simply become disillusioned and realize it's all nonsense.
There is no salvation.
I'm not being mean when I say that.
I used to believe in nonsense sometimes. Maybe I still do. Happens to everyone.

[Herskerstad]

I wonder what else will illuminate itself in this revelation. Perhaps Jesus just had himself metaphorically crucified so that one would not in the sense of idioms perish, but have eternal life in a hyperbole-based way.

Muslims believe that.

That he wasn't crucified that is.


Maybe some Christian denominations believe something similar, idk, what.

Sure, you will find plenty of different self-proclaimed christian groups that believe all sorts of things. Ranging from there being no god to other present individuals being god. Their take is generally not accepted as canon for theological reasons.

[Magna Libero]

The only thing this text tells us is that Peter built a church. No Biblical proof about him having a justification to a such a big authority.

You are clearly reading this wrong.

What? How am I misreading that? Excuse me, but I think the Pope might be an evil person and anti-Christian in the past, in the future and/or in this actual moment.

[Vazdania]

You are clearly reading this wrong.

What? How am I misreading that? Excuse me, but I think the Pope might be an evil person and anti-Christian in the past, in the future and/or in this actual moment.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

Jesus is saying "I will build my Church" upon Peter

Nowhere does it mention Peter building a church

[Farnhamia]

You are clearly reading this wrong.

What? How am I misreading that? Excuse me, but I think the Pope might be an evil person and anti-Christian in the past, in the future and/or in this actual moment.

What you think of the Pope is neither here nor there. Jesus told Peter that he would build his church on him. Peter went on to found the church in Rome, where he led the flock and was martyred. The Pope's authority derives directly from Peter and through him, from Christ. Of course, all this is predicated on being a Christian and believing in what the Gospel tells us, but within the context of Christianity this is true.

[Benuty]

I for one and waiting on a "Skeptics Annointed Tanach" which of-course will never happen (because clearly the Christian OT was good enough for them).

[Ashmoria]

What? How am I misreading that? Excuse me, but I think the Pope might be an evil person and anti-Christian in the past, in the future and/or in this actual moment.

What you think of the Pope is neither here nor there. Jesus told Peter that he would build his church on him. Peter went on to found the church in Rome, where he led the flock and was martyred. The Pope's authority derives directly from Peter and through him, from Christ. Of course, all this is predicated on being a Christian and believing in what the Gospel tells us, but within the context of Christianity this is true.

and the rest is politics.

[Ifreann]

If you keep having to stretch interpretations of a text to make it look even barely socially acceptable and credible then it might be time to drop it in the dustbin.

Nah, it's like one of those Stretch Armstrong toys. You keep stretching until it rips and weird, probably toxic gel starts leaking out.

[Benuty]

I notice alot of the hell believing Christians tend to use "The rich man and Lazarus" as an example. A problem with that is that the punishment was neither described as eternal and Lazarus wasn't exactly in Heaven (it said paradise something far different than heaven). Onto the issue of "The lake of fire" is that is an all consuming (thus destroying fire) which goes against the whole point of Hell (to be ever eternal and non-destroying).

[Farnhamia]

If you keep having to stretch interpretations of a text to make it look even barely socially acceptable and credible then it might be time to drop it in the dustbin.

Nah, it's like one of those Stretch Armstrong toys. You keep stretching until it rips and weird, probably toxic gel starts leaking out.

And you run to your Mum and show her and she say, "I told you that would happen" and then you cry and she sends you to your room without any dessert and later you become an atheist serial killer. *nod*

[Benuty]

If you keep having to stretch interpretations of a text to make it look even barely socially acceptable and credible then it might be time to drop it in the dustbin.

Nah, it's like one of those Stretch Armstrong toys. You keep stretching until it rips and weird, probably toxic gel starts leaking out.

Toxic gel mixed with doping substances.

[Ifreann]

Nah, it's like one of those Stretch Armstrong toys. You keep stretching until it rips and weird, probably toxic gel starts leaking out.

And you run to your Mum and show her and she say, "I told you that would happen" and then you cry and she sends you to your room without any dessert and later you become an atheist serial killer. *nod*

How did you get a copy of my unpunlished autobiography?

[Magna Libero]

What? How am I misreading that? Excuse me, but I think the Pope might be an evil person and anti-Christian in the past, in the future and/or in this actual moment.

What you think of the Pope is neither here nor there. Jesus told Peter that he would build his church on him. Peter went on to found the church in Rome, where he led the flock and was martyred. The Pope's authority derives directly from Peter and through him, from Christ. Of course, all this is predicated on being a Christian and believing in what the Gospel tells us, but within the context of Christianity this is true.

Aha, okay. But if I hang out with an actor who got an Oscar award for an enough long time why won't I get an Oscar award? You get my question? The successors aren't Peter and not of such special religious importance.

I'm not a Catholic why should I believe this? I'm sure there are better ways to prove that the Pope doesn't have a real religious authority.

[Asigna]

I notice alot of the hell believing Christians tend to use "The rich man and Lazarus" as an example. A problem with that is that the punishment was neither described as eternal and Lazarus wasn't exactly in Heaven (it said paradise something far different than heaven). Onto the issue of "The lake of fire" is that is an all consuming (thus destroying fire) which goes against the whole point of Hell (to be ever eternal and non-destroying).

I can't testify my philosophical theory for this one. That's why i can't say its foolproof.

[Magna Libero]

I notice alot of the hell believing Christians tend to use "The rich man and Lazarus" as an example. A problem with that is that the punishment was neither described as eternal and Lazarus wasn't exactly in Heaven (it said paradise something far different than heaven). Onto the issue of "The lake of fire" is that is an all consuming (thus destroying fire) which goes against the whole point of Hell (to be ever eternal and non-destroying).

How is the paradise different to heaven?

[Farnhamia]

And you run to your Mum and show her and she say, "I told you that would happen" and then you cry and she sends you to your room without any dessert and later you become an atheist serial killer. *nod*

How did you get a copy of my unpunlished autobiography?

I recruited you, remember? You were drunk at the time, of course, but just for safety's sake I took down most of what you said. I really didn't figure out the ramblings about Stretch Armstrong until very recently.

[Fflam]

I think you're pretty correct here. I mean, I'm an atheist by all standards, but if the bible is anything, it's metaphorical. Because obviously not being able to wear clothes of two different fabrics is some sort of metaphor, it's too crazy to be literal...

[Asigna]

I think you're pretty correct here. I mean, I'm an atheist by all standards, but if the bible is anything, it's metaphorical. Because obviously not being able to wear clothes of two different fabrics is some sort of metaphor, it's too crazy to be literal...

It's just like the communist manifesto, its open for interpretation

[Estado Paulista]

People think it has any relevance or baring on reality.
That's a pretty big misunderstanding.

Ha, this.

[The Archregimancy]

Can you show me where in the Bible does it say there is a thing called "the 7 deadly sins", saints and can't think of any other things at the moment?

It's somewhere located in the book of psalms. This interpretation was only sourced from a group of Jesuits i know who told me that.

Honestly, young people today.

The Biblical foundation for the Catholic concept of "Seven Deadly Sins" is usually based on the Book of Proverbs (specifically 6:16-19), though this list is substantially different from the Catholic list.

However, the list of sins was actually developed by the 4th-century Greek monk Evagrius Ponticus, who listed eight 'evil thoughts'. This became known in the West via the writings of John Cassian, and the list then reached more or less its current form of seven sins via Pope Gregory I in the late 6th century.

But the list was only finalised and popularised by Dante; prior to the Divine Comedy, they weren't a particularly important part of Catholic doctrine, and it was only their post-Dante popularity in Western European art that led to them becoming prominent.

And outside of Catholicism there's no formal list of 'deadly sins' at all.

[Benuty]

I notice alot of the hell believing Christians tend to use "The rich man and Lazarus" as an example. A problem with that is that the punishment was neither described as eternal and Lazarus wasn't exactly in Heaven (it said paradise something far different than heaven). Onto the issue of "The lake of fire" is that is an all consuming (thus destroying fire) which goes against the whole point of Hell (to be ever eternal and non-destroying).

How is the paradise different to heaven?

Paradise is a place mentioned as a place of rest and feasting for those of the faithful until the day of resurrection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise

[Rabbi Alex Jones]

You believe what you want to believe, Infowars.com.

[Asigna]

How is the paradise different to heaven?

Paradise is a place mentioned as a place of rest and feasting for those of the faithful until the day of resurrection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise

It's too boring and literal to be called paradise. My version of the paradise is your lifelong dreams or desires being brought to life before your eyes. That can only be in this world i guess.

[Magna Libero]

How is the paradise different to heaven?

Paradise is a place mentioned as a place of rest and feasting for those of the faithful until the day of resurrection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise

So, do you also believe that heaven is very un-paradise-like?

[The Scientific States]

People think everything in the bible is true. Even theologians would tell these people that they're entire wrong.