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Postby Saruhan » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:30 pm

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Saruhan wrote:But the Saami aren't "asian", same way Russians and Finns aren't Asian. Located on Asian continent (some) yes. But they're a Uralic people. But hey if you want to say finns and hungarians aren't white, be my guest

Edit: Is this going to become more frozen type thing?

They speak Uralic languages, but they seem to have adopted them. They're genetically related to people like the Nenets (based on Y Chromosome and Mitochondrialevidence.)

That really doesn't seem likely to me. I mean Southern Italians and Sicilians share the same Haploid group with Iranians and Kurds. But they don't look at all similar
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:32 pm

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Sun Wukong wrote:Is she white?


I'd very reluctantly consider her White, but that is besides the fact that your average Mexican isn't that pale. Most of them are clearly not White.

What criteria did you use to determine her "whiteness?" Be specific.
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Postby Jamjai » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:32 pm

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Sun Wukong wrote:They speak Uralic languages, but they seem to have adopted them. They're genetically related to people like the Nenets (based on Y Chromosome and Mitochondrialevidence.)

That really doesn't seem likely to me. I mean Southern Italians and Sicilians share the same Haploid group with Iranians and Kurds. But they don't look at all similar

I thought they look similar to greeks
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:35 pm

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Saruhan wrote:That really doesn't seem likely to me. I mean Southern Italians and Sicilians share the same Haploid group with Iranians and Kurds. But they don't look at all similar

I thought they look similar to greeks

Which? Southern Italians are descended from Greek settlers mostly. But the Greeks and kurds do look different
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Postby Atlantica » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:35 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:I think that is a great thing, eventually it will wipe out white privilege.

Yeah. I hope that the Hispanics/Latinos lead the way to Californian prosperity, as they cooperate with other racial groups (Asians, Blacks, Jews) and destroy white privilege: after all, the whites won't be a majority by March.

But there is one thing that I really don't hope: 'reconquista' - California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas and a few other southwest states going back into Mexico. That would suck...
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:37 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:They speak Uralic languages, but they seem to have adopted them. They're genetically related to people like the Nenets (based on Y Chromosome and Mitochondrialevidence.)

That really doesn't seem likely to me. I mean Southern Italians and Sicilians share the same Haploid group with Iranians and Kurds. But they don't look at all similar

Mostly because Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA have very little impact upon appearance, they are just useful for tracking ancestry.

Any population will begin to take on the appearance of the larger population around it given time. Which is why Europeans still look like they do despite being invaded from Asia endlessly.
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:50 pm

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Saruhan wrote:That really doesn't seem likely to me. I mean Southern Italians and Sicilians share the same Haploid group with Iranians and Kurds. But they don't look at all similar

Mostly because Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA have very little impact upon appearance, they are just useful for tracking ancestry.

Any population will begin to take on the appearance of the larger population around it given time. Which is why Europeans still look like they do despite being invaded from Asia endlessly.

True, but even their relation to these Samoyeds wouldn't necessarily make them asian. I mean a lot of Northern Russians share the same Hapiogrouping as the Samoyeds and Karelians and Saamis, and the North of Russia is probably the whitest of all of Russia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/World_Map_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroups.png
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:56 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Mostly because Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA have very little impact upon appearance, they are just useful for tracking ancestry.

Any population will begin to take on the appearance of the larger population around it given time. Which is why Europeans still look like they do despite being invaded from Asia endlessly.

True, but even their relation to these Samoyeds wouldn't necessarily make them asian. I mean a lot of Northern Russians share the same Hapiogrouping as the Samoyeds and Karelians and Saamis, and the North of Russia is probably the whitest of all of Russia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/World_Map_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroups.png

Look, I don't want to go to far into it: but this was part of a ploy to get Saiwania to contradict himself by showing that his standards are inconstant. The ploy required that I play up the Sami's otherness to be effective.

But it seems he's left But it seems he's not willing to give specific criteria beyond "oh she looks white!", so there's no point. I don't give two shits whether people consider the Sami white or not.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:58 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:What criteria did you use to determine her "whiteness?" Be specific.


Her European ancestry and White skin color of course. Are you honestly not able to discern a Latino from a White Anglo?
(I tried hunting for a picture of a Mexican and a White person to show clear contrast but it seems imgur won't cooperate with this website on the image dimensions.)
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:01 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:


That article, as far as I can see, refers to the 'Latino Vote' as the vote that Latinos make, if you get me, and not, like Quintinium was trying to say, that they all vote for their political parties on the basis of support of religion, or support of Latinos.


Their leaders, at least in California, tend to behave like a bloc, and the bloc usually tries to promote certain aspects of illegal immigration.


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That should depend on economic analysis, which we don't have in this thread.

Why should it depend on economic analysis?


Because an economy can only take so many people in before taking economic damage.


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Shofercia wrote:
That should depend on economic analysis, which we don't have in this thread.

The proposal was mainly made for the purpose of reducing illegal immigration.


It shouldn't do that though, because economic immigrants, i.e. immigrants from whom the country derives a net economic benefit in both, the short and long term, should already be considered legal, so I don't know how much that'll actually reduce illegal immigration.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:02 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:What criteria did you use to determine her "whiteness?" Be specific.


Her European ancestry and White skin color of course. Are you honestly not able to discern a Latino from a White Anglo?

White Anglo refers to a very specific group. Latino is a broad category. Often I'm not:
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Postby EUstan » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:03 pm

The good thing is that California will become a catholic country just like the rest of South America.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:03 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:What criteria did you use to determine her "whiteness?" Be specific.


Her European ancestry and White skin color of course. Are you honestly not able to discern a Latino from a White Anglo?

Nope. Louis CK looks entirely white to me, and I was stunned to find he was Mexican.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:03 pm

EUstan wrote:The good thing is that California will become a catholic country just like the rest of South America.


And this is important how?
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Postby Aeken » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:04 pm

EUstan wrote:The good thing is that California will become a catholic country just like the rest of South America.

That really doesn't matter.

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:05 pm

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EUstan wrote:The good thing is that California will become a catholic country just like the rest of South America.


And this is important how?


Maybe he's thinking about investing in Napa Valley :P
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:05 pm

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EUstan wrote:The good thing is that California will become a catholic country just like the rest of South America.


And this is important how?

It's good if you're in the church bell business
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Postby EUstan » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:06 pm

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EUstan wrote:The good thing is that California will become a catholic country just like the rest of South America.


And this is important how?

It will become more sociall conservative and traditional christian (also speaking about California). This will also led to more friendly connection with other catholic countries.

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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:06 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Nope. Louis CK looks entirely white to me, and I was stunned to find he was Mexican.


Would you not deny that people of Louis CK's background are the exception, rather than the rule in Mexico and latin America?
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Postby Sun Wukong » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:06 pm

Saruhan wrote:
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And this is important how?

It's good if you're in the church bell business

Or if you want to produce wine in California, but your product is crap.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:07 pm

EUstan wrote:
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And this is important how?

It will become more sociall conservative and traditional christian (also speaking about California). This will also led to more friendly connection with other catholic countries.

Spain is also a Catholic country.

Spain is very far from socially conservative.
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Postby Aeken » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:08 pm

EUstan wrote:
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And this is important how?

It will become more sociall conservative and traditional christian (also speaking about California). This will also led to more friendly connection with other catholic countries.

Too hopeful. That's quite unlikely.

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Postby Arabic Spain » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:08 pm

Well it was Spanish.
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Postby EUstan » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:09 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
EUstan wrote:It will become more sociall conservative and traditional christian (also speaking about California). This will also led to more friendly connection with other catholic countries.

Spain is also a Catholic country.

Spain is very far from socially conservative.

What is with Italy, Poland, Ireland?

You are just using exceptions instead of general image.

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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:09 pm

EUstan wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
And this is important how?

It will become more sociall conservative and traditional christian (also speaking about California). This will also led to more friendly connection with other catholic countries.


Lawl.

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