Latinos to outnumber Whites in CA in March

[Divair]

Let's not forget that land does not inherently belong to a certain group. If we traced everyone's ancestry back to the origins of humanity, all of us would have a claim to Ethiopia. Also, Mexico is not taking that land back. All Hispanics are not Mexican, if your problem is Mexicans.

The land belongs to the nation that inhabits it.

Who cares where we came from millions of years ago? We've diverged and evolved since then.

Mexico is not taking back the land, but Mexicans are. Ever hear of the Reconquista movement? Or how the majority of Hispanics in the US identify with another ethnic or culture group before American? Of course not all Hispanics are Mexicans, but most Hispanics in California are.

Who cares? Get back to me when they plan on launching a civil war to win independence.

[Blasveck]

Colonel Gaddafi once said: We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.

I like this, but for another reason. That reason being that in March of 2014, it is expected that the number of ethnic latinos will overtake the number of non-latino whites in California. It is like Gaddafi's words hold precedence in everywhere, and the evils of what the Anglos did to the Californios following the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo will be reprimanded.

Lol. No.

So Nationstates, there are two questions here for you right here: One is economic, one is cultural. 1) How good is this for the economy of California? 2) On a culture basis, is this a healthy fact to live with.

My opinion:
1) Yes. This is phenomenal. This is great and has the ability to further what has already been happening for decades. In the East, Miami has made itself the economic capital of the Caribbean. I believe that Los Angeles is the western equivalent for Mexico and Central America. It has served as a mesh pot for these different ethnicities and the number of businesses that cater to these populations are immense and growing. My favorite example has to be Univision. For those who don't have to watch the women of the family fight over which Telenovela is best, let me run this down for you: Univision and Telemundo are the big giants in Spanish language entertainment. Although there are others, these are the two giants. Univision has seemed to win the battle. The reason as to why may stem from their ability to target non-Mexican latinos better but whatever. Univision has propelled itself to the fourth most popular TV station in the country. It even topped all channels, Eng or Spanish, in the 18 to 49 demographic in September of 2010. But back to California, this goes without to say, that there are people who think otherwise. Afterall, the immigrants that usually come to California are much poorer than the ones that go to New York or Miami. But given that illegal immigrants (most of which are Mexican) make up 6.8% of the population and 9.7% of the work force, it is clear that like the Poles in the UK (Represent), Latinos subsidize the unemployment benefits and programs of California, of which there are many, and of which many of these people cannot participate or benefit from. However, with legal residents and American-born latinos, they also tend to be poorer than the average white or asian child in the state. But the increased trade with MCA (Mexico and Central America) that comes with the growth is also another boost.

2) Yes, I think that this is a culturally healthy thing as well. This may seem like the reconquista mexicana to some, but really, with the rate of assimilation in the country being so high, most of these immigrants' grandchildren will only know Spanish through school, and will be essentially United Statian. After three generations, they are no longer Mexican-American, but just American. What has allowed the language to flourish is the constant stream of new migrants ready to but on their boots and work. This large population is giving California a new mixed hybrid culture and identity that I see as a great thing.

This was very tangent-y, but I feel is something that is important. I feel a personal desire to attach to this news and run with it. I am happy that the Latinos are able to call this state home, as well as essentially every other state in the Southwest, South, and East, but I still see that political power and economic power still lies with the White population as it has for the past four centuries. Nothing much will change as you walk through the streets, but when these people have babies (of which, Latinos have been found to have many more babies, and ensure that the USA doesn't have a European-styled crisis), they will grow, and ensure that the race question gets solved once and for all, whatever that means.

So NSG, what do you think?

Since Hispanics are generally Catholic, I think that its a good thing.

Why would their religion matter?

[Libertarian California]

Thus making it white land...and thus making it okay for whites maintain their majority status.

Races aren't entitled to land.

Not inherently. But ethnic and national groups are.

[Divair]

Races aren't entitled to land.

Not inherently. But ethnic and national groups are.

Source.

[The Mathematical States]

Besides, blonde, blue eyes and fair skinned?

that is Aryan

Actually, the real Aryans are from Northern India.

Those folks with dark hair and eyes, as well as fairly light skin? Those are the actual Aryans.

[Libertarian California]

The land belongs to the nation that inhabits it.

Who cares where we came from millions of years ago? We've diverged and evolved since then.

Mexico is not taking back the land, but Mexicans are. Ever hear of the Reconquista movement? Or how the majority of Hispanics in the US identify with another ethnic or culture group before American? Of course not all Hispanics are Mexicans, but most Hispanics in California are.

Who cares? Get back to me when they plan on launching a civil war to win independence.

Who cares? Have you ever been to Mexico? It's a shithole. Mexicans will create a society here that reflects their values and their culture. And what will that society look like? It will look like Mexico.

[Carto-Geography]

Since Hispanics are generally Catholic, I think that its a good thing.

Why would their religion matter?

Are you trying to say that religion doesn't matter? Maybe if there are more Catholics people will stop smashing our statutes and attacking us on the internet.

[Libertarian California]

Not inherently. But ethnic and national groups are.

Source.

The ideology of national sovereignty? You know, the thing that lead to most independence movements?

[Divair]

Who cares? Get back to me when they plan on launching a civil war to win independence.

Who cares? Have you ever been to Mexico? It's a shithole. Mexicans will create a society here that reflects their values and their culture. And what will that society look like? It will look like Mexico.

Sure, and the Irish replicated Ireland, and the Germans replicated Germany, and the Italians replicated Italy.


Or not. Because, y'know. Assimilation is a thing.

[Estado Paulista]

Are you trying to say that religion doesn't matter?

I guess so.

Maybe if there are more Catholics people will stop smashing our statutes and attacking us on the internet.

Nah.

[Divair]

Source.

The ideology of national sovereignty? You know, the thing that lead to most independence movements?

Which has no inherent value, nor relates to ethnicity. Try again.

[Geilinor]

Races aren't entitled to land.

Not inherently. But ethnic and national groups are.

The national group is "American", which they are if they have US citizenship. An American need not be 100% white.

[Divair]

Why would their religion matter?

Are you trying to say that religion doesn't matter?

Yes.

[The Mathematical States]

Since Hispanics are generally Catholic, I think that its a good thing.

Why would their religion matter?

I think it's because it encourages a strong family structure, which has been repeatedly shown to be beneficial for everyone in the family, especially for boys.

That's one thing I like a lot about Hispanics, they're generally very family-oriented.

[God Kefka]

It appears that with every passing day the white is becoming more and more of an endangered species in his own homelands... this is terrible...

what will happen to the beautiful fair-skinned bright-eyed girls in the future?

My grandson needs to get married too you know...

This California thing... is it just the beginning (*looks at Europe and shudders)?

I'm brown and I consider myself as British as any British person. As a matter of fact, I'm probably more patriotic than the average British person. So what does it matter if more people have brown skin? People can be proud of their country no matter the colour of their skin. A Latino man is as American as an American in the US.

Besides, blonde, blue eyes and fair skinned? Yelch. Too pure for me. Brunette and brown eyes are nicer, no matter the skin colour.

But I just don't see how you can deny that the UK has always historically been a white-majority nation... and I just can't imagine you identifying with the British white settlers who were going out there and bringing glory to the empire in the old days...

And just on an empirical level, clearly the person who can trace his ancestry to the 1800s and whose family has always settled on English soil is more English than you? I mean on some level you must concede this right?

This is the same deal here in California. You can't just enter the country all of a sudden and automatically be as American as everyone else; especially when you enter illegally.

[Blasveck]

Why would their religion matter?

Are you trying to say that religion doesn't matter? Maybe if there are more Catholics people will stop smashing our statutes and attacking us on the internet.

No?

I'm just asking why them being Catholics would matter.

Jesus, calm down. Getting attacked on the Internet is really nothing, and I think you have lot more important things to worry about then a few teenage vandals smashing a couple of statues.

[Alvaria and Cagwenyn]

Anglos need to get laid more.

[Geilinor]

Who cares? Get back to me when they plan on launching a civil war to win independence.

Who cares? Have you ever been to Mexico? It's a shithole. Mexicans will create a society here that reflects their values and their culture. And what will that society look like? It will look like Mexico.

Sure, because Italian immigrants replicated Italy, Chinese immigrants want to replicate China, and Russian immigrants want to replicate Russia.

[Ifreann]

It appears that with every passing day the white is becoming more and more of an endangered species in his own homelands... this is terrible...

what will happen to the beautiful fair-skinned bright-eyed girls in the future?

My grandson needs to get married too you know...

This California thing... is it just the beginning (*looks at Europe and shudders)?

What's terrible is your gross failure to understand the word "species". Somewhere a science teacher is weeping.

---

Why do white people have an inherent right to be the majority? The United States was founded on civic nationalism.

All people have the inherent right to be a majority in their own land. This has been white country since the 1840s, much longer than it was ever Mexican land (a mere 27 years).

The United States was founded by Anglo-Saxons with bits of Dutch, Scots-Irish, and German. You could argue that it was civic nationalism that brought these separate ethnic groups together to become American. But now, it's for the best consider white Americans as a standalone group than break them down into Irish, English, and German.

Fuck, you were being serious? Wow.

---

Ifreann didn't say that white people shouldn't be able to move to non-white countries. You're bringing up a red herring.

Regardless,

Then why did you even fucking ask?

that is now the reality in which we live. We're primarily seeing non-Whites flood into majority White countries but not the reverse.

And from this you conclude that the governments of countries without a white majority are preventing white people from living in their country in numbers great enough to become a majority.

Or in other words, you're making up bullshit to paint yourself as the victim of some global anti-white conspiracy.

[Neu Leonstein]

Quite frankly, even if this were true, it'd be just as expected, no?

http://www.economist.com/node/18488452

Immigration, and the higher birthrate of recent immigrant background, are what keeps American demographics relatively better than in most other developed economies. But yes, that means that the demographic make-up may well change. I personally don't think the idea of a "majority non-white" US so far-fetched, though I suspect that the equilibrium will fall short of that in the foreseeable future for the nation as a whole, because the birthrates of "non-white" populations will likely fall too over time.

But I fail to see how this matters. The United States, probably more than any other major nation on earth, defines itself through common mythology linked to ideas that are not specific to a particular ethnic group. The enlightenment ideas that most Americans will proclaim to believe in are pretty explicitly based on philosophical arguments that apply to anyone with the capacity to think reasonably. Sure, the Founding Fathers themselves may not have applied, or even considered, these ideas that broadly - but the same is not true for modern America. So in light of that, I'd be hard-pressed to see how the racial make-up would have any impact on the things most Americans would agree to make the country what it is.

[Aelbica]

I'm not going to read beyond the first page, but for me it comes down to two issues:

1. Have any of you seen how ridiculous our census looks? The numbers don't add up to 100%. Seriously:

White: 61.6%
Hispanic: 37.6%
Asian: 14.9%
Black or Politically Correct Term: 7.2%
Multiracial: 4.8%
Native American: 1.9%
Pacific Islander: 0.7%
Grand Total: 128.7%

Don't you just love it when Democrats and Republicans do math? So what happens? Right, instead of redoing the census, they split up the first two categories, and add one, so they get:

White: 61.6%
White, not of Hispanic Origin: 42.3%
Hispanic of Latino of any Race: 37.6%
Multiracial: 4.8%

Whoever came up with this method should be... deported if possible. Even if they're white. Is Sweden taking white people in? Of course even with that fix, that still fails to add up to 100, (adds 109.4%) which is a mere rounding error for the idiots in Sacramento. Addition is so hard! Now, here's my idea of how the census should be done:

White:
Asian:
Latin American:
Black:
Mixed Race/Ethnicity:
Native American:
Pacific Islander:
Other:

This methodology is too complex for the idiots in Sacramento to comprehend. Now, wait a second, the astute reader might ask. "If 61.6% are white of any race/ethnicity, and 42.3% are just white, wouldn't that make 19.3% people of mixed race/ethnicity?" Yes, it would! "But isn't that already a category?" Welcome to Sacramento politics, where common sense is severely lacking.

2. How will this actually effect California's economy? Anyone do any analysis on it? Or are we going to go with the "hurr durr racism, cuz idiots in Sacramento cannot count" routine?

Hispanic isn't a race, it's an ethnicity, there's a difference. There are White, Black, and Asian Hispanics just so you know.

[The Mathematical States]

Who cares? Get back to me when they plan on launching a civil war to win independence.

Who cares? Have you ever been to Mexico? It's a shithole. Mexicans will create a society here that reflects their values and their culture. And what will that society look like? It will look like Mexico.

Parts of Mexico suck, but if you are upper-middle class to upper class, it can be a fairly decent place to live. It has its problems, but it has good people too. And its economy is booming, while forming a stable middle class. I think Mexico has a pretty good future, if it can clean up its crime and corruption.

[Libertarian California]

Who cares? Have you ever been to Mexico? It's a shithole. Mexicans will create a society here that reflects their values and their culture. And what will that society look like? It will look like Mexico.

Sure, and the Irish replicated Ireland, and the Germans replicated Germany, and the Italians replicated Italy.


Or not. Because, y'know. Assimilation is a thing.

The Germans and the Irish spread out and made their assimilation much easier. They didn't concentrate in specific areas. The Italians did (but not to the extent as Mexicans are doing), and as a result Italian-American communities resemble Italy more than German and Irish American communities resemble Germany and Ireland. The Germans and Irish brought food and drink. The Italians did that, too, with the added bonus of the Mafia.

[Ifreann]

Anglos need to get laid more.

Anglos get laid plenty. The problem, if you're a racist, is that, for their own personal reasons, they aren't making enough babies with each other.

[Divair]

Sure, and the Irish replicated Ireland, and the Germans replicated Germany, and the Italians replicated Italy.


Or not. Because, y'know. Assimilation is a thing.

The Germans and the Irish spread out and made their assimilation much easier. They didn't concentrate in specific areas. The Italians did (but not to the extent as Mexicans are doing), and as a result Italian-American communities resemble Italy more than German and Irish American communities resemble Germany and Ireland. The Germans and Irish brought food and drink. The Italians did that, too, with the added bonus of the Mafia.

And everything mixed and melted into one giant American culture. Unless you'd like to believe some European ethnicities are superior to others, and they somehow balanced out each other. In which case, there are ethnicities superior to Americans. Your view is a very odd one. Now do remind me where your evidence is that Latinos never integrate?