Latinos to outnumber Whites in CA in March

[EUstan]

You're gonna need a source on any significant numbers of Muslim immigrants demanding Sharia law.

Because, in case you haven't noticed, we don't have it here. So really, it's no more worrying than any other small group of people calling for something. Your argument so far seems to be "if we let in lots of immigrants, they might have different opinions to us and voice those opinions! We can't let that happen!".

There are regular protest of muslims for demanding to submot to their life of live.
also type anti-alcochol protests and anjem choudary on google

[Baader-Meinhof Gruppe]

Okay? The only race is human. Even if races were decided by skin colour Latino/Hispanic is not even a race. It's a mix. So they should have to pick mixed when they do a census. "But that's racist!!!!" No, it's really not. You see, most "Latinos" are meztiso which means they are mixed between natives and white. That's not a race. If I marry a "Hispanic" my kid is mixed. But if a white marries a native it's "Hispanic"? No. Stop that crap. Either way good for CA, now just abolish that border as it is a waste of money and it hinders free trade.

[Kelinfort]

You're gonna need a source on any significant numbers of Muslim immigrants demanding Sharia law.

Because, in case you haven't noticed, we don't have it here. So really, it's no more worrying than any other small group of people calling for something. Your argument so far seems to be "if we let in lots of immigrants, they might have different opinions to us and voice those opinions! We can't let that happen!".

There are regular protest of muslims for demanding to submot to their life of live.
also type anti-alcochol protests and anjem choudary on google

Like the temperance movements in the US by Christian groups?

[The New Lowlands]

You're gonna need a source on any significant numbers of Muslim immigrants demanding Sharia law.

Because, in case you haven't noticed, we don't have it here. So really, it's no more worrying than any other small group of people calling for something. Your argument so far seems to be "if we let in lots of immigrants, they might have different opinions to us and voice those opinions! We can't let that happen!".

There are regular protest of muslims for demanding to submot to their life of live.
also type anti-alcochol protests and anjem choudary on google

"A group of 30 Muslims marched along the street renowned for its bars, clubs and curry houses. They were led by radical preacher Anjem Choudary who used a megaphone to accuse restaurants and shops of breaking strict Islamic law."

I'm so afeared. Oh no. How scary and politically significant.

[The Black Forrest]

I can see a case of lessor crimes being used as long as both parties agree. The US has done that. A case involving a couple tribal youths in Washington I believe......

As I said before, many of those so called "courts" are in reality arbitration forums. Muslims that agree to settle their disputes that way choose to do so through sharia. Corporations have done this all the time regarding employee disputes, and they also have their own rules.

Indeed. People who cry "courts" usually are trying to claim these would cover major crimes. Which would never happen......

[Ifreann]

You and I have very different understandings of what threatens white people. But I suppose that is to be expected, given that you are a racist and I am not.

Really now? Tell me, what do you think threatens White people? Because I understand that reproduction between White man + White woman = a White baby, while that is rarely true with an interracial couple.

Not much of anything, really. If there were something happening to drive white people out of some country or region, or to keep them from reproducing, or to outright kill them, then I'd be worried. But if white people are simply freely choosing to have children with non-white people, then I don't care.

[EUstan]

Sure they are minorities or weak groups (although I needd source for christian fundamentalist in Europe) but in other hand you got Anjem Choudary who is regularly on BBC which means they are not in minority.

Also 2nd and 3rd generation muslims tend to be more cpnservative than their parents.

[Kelinfort]

Sure they are minorities or weak groups (although I needd source for christian fundamentalist in Europe) but in other hand you got Anjem Choudary who is regularly on BBC which means they are not in minority.

Also 2nd and 3rd generation muslims tend to be more cpnservative than their parents.

The WBC in the US gets a lot of media time, and they are in the minority. Why you ask? Crazy views trump rational views in media speak.

[The Black Forrest]

Sure they are minorities or weak groups (although I needd source for christian fundamentalist in Europe) but in other hand you got Anjem Choudary who is regularly on BBC which means they are not in minority.

Also 2nd and 3rd generation muslims tend to be more cpnservative than their parents.

Source that please.

As the generations increase; the more absorbed they are by the local culture.....

[The New Lowlands]

Sure they are minorities or weak groups (although I needd source for christian fundamentalist in Europe) but in other hand you got Anjem Choudary who is regularly on BBC which means they are not in minority.

2)Also 2nd and 3rd generation muslims tend to be more cpnservative than their parents.

1) Anjem Choudary was invited to the BBC because he was a minority viewpoint.
2) Source?

30 people out of the 256,000 in the borough of Tower Hamlets could be bothered to protest. That's 0.01171875 percent of the population of Tower Hamlets.

[EUstan]

Sure they are minorities or weak groups (although I needd source for christian fundamentalist in Europe) but in other hand you got Anjem Choudary who is regularly on BBC which means they are not in minority.

2)Also 2nd and 3rd generation muslims tend to be more cpnservative than their parents.

1) Anjem Choudary was invited to the BBC because he was a minority viewpoint.
2) Source?

30 people out of the 256,000 in the borough of Tower Hamlets could be bothered to protest. That's 0.01171875 percent of the population of Tower Hamlets.

1. Excellent. Good that you together admit that Choudary represents the viewpoint of muslim minority. You admit that they have iskamistic and autorative believes.
2. Angela Merkel declared multi-kulti for dead because her government acknowledge that they dont assimilate in hhe society and inbreed islamism. Google it.

[Libertarian California]

Why is this a good thing?

Also, please don't say "United Statian." It's the stupidest word in history.

[Kelinfort]

1) Anjem Choudary was invited to the BBC because he was a minority viewpoint.
2) Source?

30 people out of the 256,000 in the borough of Tower Hamlets could be bothered to protest. That's 0.01171875 percent of the population of Tower Hamlets.

1. Excellent. Good that you together admit that Choudary represents the viewpoint of muslim minority. You admit that they have iskamistic and autorative believes.
2. Angela Merkel declared multi-kulti for dead because her government acknowledge that they dont assimilate in hhe society and inbreed islamism. Google it.

1. No, you missed the point; he's inflammatory and gets ratings. It doesn't represent even a significant minority.
2. No, give us a source, please.

[The New Lowlands]

1) Anjem Choudary was invited to the BBC because he was a minority viewpoint.
2) Source?

30 people out of the 256,000 in the borough of Tower Hamlets could be bothered to protest. That's 0.01171875 percent of the population of Tower Hamlets.

1. Excellent. Good that you together admit that Choudary represents the viewpoint of muslim minority. You admit that they have iskamistic and autorative believes.
2. Angela Merkel declared multi-kulti for dead because her government acknowledge that they dont assimilate in hhe society and inbreed islamism. Google it.

1. No. I'm saying he represents a tiny, tiny minority of a religious minority.
2. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

[Skeckoa]

GOOD. Nah, just kidding. This isn't good. It just... is. The only ones who should care are... racists, I guess?

Well, I fit there. But businesses should care, and people who create the school curriculum perhaps, as well as business peoples.

If the Latinos become majority in California that will mean the Catholic Church will gain powers there and eventually lead to a more autoritative society.

Actually, Catholicism is already the most popular religion here. It's been for a while.

[Vulpae]

the only issue I have is this

... the evils of what the Anglos did to the Californios following the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo will be reprimanded.

white is the agreed upon aquisition, Brown is occasionally under dispute due to the shifting of the rio-grande, and politicking.

The treaty was actually much kinder to the residents of the newly acquired territory than any other non-angelo group at the time, and counted them as full citizens of the US the moment it was annexed.
At the time, it wasn't uncommon for nations to give up territory here or there in a treaty, especially lands that weren't politically inportant. Even though that's almost unthinkable today.

Prior to the US acquiring it California was largely a remote holding of the Mexican government, largely inhabited by powerful cattle barons, small farming communities, and a chain of missions (that were made government property after mexico's independence from spain) that the Mexican government itself didn't care about. Untill the Gold Rush, and the Railroad came through it was a feather in the cap of Manifest Destiny.

It wasn't as if racial tensions didn't flare up over the years, but overall Californios were better off after the US acquisition. US administration proved more capable than Mexican, and California Boomed from the rush of settlers & miners moving west.
I'd say if not for it's acquisition by the US, California would not be anywhere near as well off as it is today, even with the gold rush.

A few Mexican governments (revolutionary overthrow was common at the time, so I say Governments, not Government) started calling foul after the gold rush happened. But that's politicking.

If the US had been that generous in it's terms to the Native Americans we might not being getting all the anti-US grief on forums.

Edit: Fun fact, my irish ancestors had more trouble becoming citizens than Californios.

[EUstan]

1. Excellent. Good that you together admit that Choudary represents the viewpoint of muslim minority. You admit that they have iskamistic and autorative believes.
2. Angela Merkel declared multi-kulti for dead because her government acknowledge that they dont assimilate in hhe society and inbreed islamism. Google it.

1. No, you missed the point; he's inflammatory and gets ratings. It doesn't represent even a significant minority.
2. No, give us a source, please.

1. The Newlowlands admited that he represents the muslims in uk, deal with it.
2. The head of german government admited they reject standard norms. Send a mail to them to ask where do they get that.

[Libertarian California]

and the evils of what the Anglos did to the Californios following the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo will be reprimanded.

...

[Kelinfort]

1. No, you missed the point; he's inflammatory and gets ratings. It doesn't represent even a significant minority.
2. No, give us a source, please.

1. The Newlowlands admited that he represents the muslims in uk, deal with it.
2. The head of german government admited they reject standard norms. Send a mail to them to ask where do they get that.

1. Reread his response to your earlier response.
2. Source?

[Ifreann]

Why is this a good thing?

It's good that people are allowed to live wherever they want without anyone in authority interfering to maintain the majority status of white people.

[Geilinor]

1.) Yes, this will be good for the economy of California. Latinos may have a higher rate of poverty, but immigrants do rise up in social status over time. Most immigrants and the descendants of immigrants come to this country to work and contribute. Some may not want to contribute, but that is not representative of an entire population.

2.) It will be good for culture because it will bring greater ethnic diversity, and over a few generations, many will naturally assimilate over time, as has happened during previous times in history.

[The USOT]

I think that the only people this really matters to is racists and politicians.

Otherwise, not much else to discuss, as far as I can tell.

Latinos are the real cause of global warming.

They're heating up the planet. *nod*

I always knew that salsa would be the end of us

*eats dorito*

[Geilinor]

1) Anjem Choudary was invited to the BBC because he was a minority viewpoint.
2) Source?

30 people out of the 256,000 in the borough of Tower Hamlets could be bothered to protest. That's 0.01171875 percent of the population of Tower Hamlets.

1. Excellent. Good that you together admit that Choudary represents the viewpoint of muslim minority. You admit that they have iskamistic and autorative believes.

Anjem Choudary only represents his personal viewpoints. A Christian does not speak for all Christians and a Muslim does not speak for all Muslims.

[Libertarian California]

Why is this a good thing?

It's good that people are allowed to live wherever they want without anyone in authority interfering to maintain the majority status of white people.

That is horrible.

[God Kefka]

Colonel Gaddafi once said: We have 50 million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe—without swords, without guns, without conquest—will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.

I like this, but for another reason. That reason being that in March of 2014, it is expected that the number of ethnic latinos will overtake the number of non-latino whites in California. It is like Gaddafi's words hold precedence in everywhere, and the evils of what the Anglos did to the Californios following the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo will be reprimanded.

Lol. No.

So Nationstates, there are two questions here for you right here: One is economic, one is cultural. 1) How good is this for the economy of California? 2) On a culture basis, is this a healthy fact to live with.

My opinion:
1) Yes. This is phenomenal. This is great and has the ability to further what has already been happening for decades. In the East, Miami has made itself the economic capital of the Caribbean. I believe that Los Angeles is the western equivalent for Mexico and Central America. It has served as a mesh pot for these different ethnicities and the number of businesses that cater to these populations are immense and growing. My favorite example has to be Univision. For those who don't have to watch the women of the family fight over which Telenovela is best, let me run this down for you: Univision and Telemundo are the big giants in Spanish language entertainment. Although there are others, these are the two giants. Univision has seemed to win the battle. The reason as to why may stem from their ability to target non-Mexican latinos better but whatever. Univision has propelled itself to the fourth most popular TV station in the country. It even topped all channels, Eng or Spanish, in the 18 to 49 demographic in September of 2010. But back to California, this goes without to say, that there are people who think otherwise. Afterall, the immigrants that usually come to California are much poorer than the ones that go to New York or Miami. But given that illegal immigrants (most of which are Mexican) make up 6.8% of the population and 9.7% of the work force, it is clear that like the Poles in the UK (Represent), Latinos subsidize the unemployment benefits and programs of California, of which there are many, and of which many of these people cannot participate or benefit from. However, with legal residents and American-born latinos, they also tend to be poorer than the average white or asian child in the state. But the increased trade with MCA (Mexico and Central America) that comes with the growth is also another boost.

2) Yes, I think that this is a culturally healthy thing as well. This may seem like the reconquista mexicana to some, but really, with the rate of assimilation in the country being so high, most of these immigrants' grandchildren will only know Spanish through school, and will be essentially United Statian. After three generations, they are no longer Mexican-American, but just American. What has allowed the language to flourish is the constant stream of new migrants ready to but on their boots and work. This large population is giving California a new mixed hybrid culture and identity that I see as a great thing.

This was very tangent-y, but I feel is something that is important. I feel a personal desire to attach to this news and run with it. I am happy that the Latinos are able to call this state home, as well as essentially every other state in the Southwest, South, and East, but I still see that political power and economic power still lies with the White population as it has for the past four centuries. Nothing much will change as you walk through the streets, but when these people have babies (of which, Latinos have been found to have many more babies, and ensure that the USA doesn't have a European-styled crisis), they will grow, and ensure that the race question gets solved once and for all, whatever that means.

So NSG, what do you think?

This is bad...

I expect the crime rate in things like human and drugs trafficking could go up... and it just isn't right. California is a part of the United States, it should stay predominantly white.

Ah well... not much they can do about it (or rather, American leaders don't have the guts to do what is truly necessary; they've always been too soft on this immigration issue). I guess we will just have to accept it...