Are you proud of your country and/or loyal?

[Aeternabilis]

Although I'm not necessarily proud of the USA, I am loyal to it.

[Brickistan]

I am very proud of America. I'm lucky to live here. I often imagine what my life would be like in other countries and it makes me cringe. I love the ideas this country was based on and I think we had a good system. When the OP says that European countries care about their populace he/she is hinting that America doesn't. I would like to take this opportunity to tell him/her that if America didn't care about the populace we wouldn't still be free. I know many, many people say that no president would ever remove the Constitution, but if our government really stopped caring about the populace, who is to say that wouldn't happen if it would guarantee them personal gain.

Yeah, you care so much for your population that you let people starve to death on the streets while entire neighborhoods is filled with empty houses that slowly rot away after the previous inhabitants were evicted following the banks trashing the economy.

Back to my point though I am proud of being American because America took down the best military power of history, Great Britain. A bunch of dedicated soldiers fought for what they felt was right and won. And think about how many revolutions have happened in history since then. How many people have fought (whether they won or lost) to be free. To have the same privileges as Americans do. That's why I'm proud of my country and I would gladly give my life protecting it. I know a lot of people will disagree with me and that's fine this is all about opinion. I think America is a great nation, no matter how stupid the people running it currently are. Because people can get better and things can change, that's what life is all about.

America didn't do that - a bunch of men (who were hardly even American at that time) did. And what a bunch of men did centuries ago is hardly something to be proud of now. It's just history, completely disassociated from the current population.

[Mechindra]

I may be an American, but I neither can be proud nor loyal of a country that professes one thing but does another - lesser of evils or otherwise. As if asked in the next life to give accountability for my actions by a Supreme Creator, there is no possible reason whatseover to support such systems.

"Sitting at the table doesn’t make you a diner, unless you eat some of what’s on that plate. Being born here in America doesn’t make you an American. Why, if birth made you American, you wouldn’t need any legislation, you wouldn’t need any amendments to the Constitution, you wouldn’t be faced with civil-rights filibustering in Washington, D.C., right now." - Malcolm X

"I have more respect for a man who lets me know where he stands, even if he’s wrong, than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil." - Malcolm X

"There is no greater fallacy than the belief that aims and purposes are one thing, while methods and tactics are another, This conception is a potent menace to social regeneration. All human experience teaches that methods and means cannot be separated from the ultimate aim. The means employed become, through individual habit and social practice, part and parcel of the final purpose; they influence it, modify it, and presently the aims and means become identical." - Emma Goldman

"I say to you that our goal is freedom, and I believe we are going to get there because however much she strays away from it, the goal of America is freedom. Abused and scorned though we may be as a people, our destiny is tied up in the destiny of America." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

"I could never understand ethnic or national pride. Because to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn’t say ‘I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.’ So why the fuck would you be proud to be Irish, or proud to be Italian, or American or anything?" - George Carlin

"It’s the old American Double Standard, ya know: Say one thing, do somethin’ different. And of course this country is founded on the double standard, that’s our history! We were founded on a very basic double standard: This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free." - George Carlin

"Nationalism does nothing but teach you how to hate people you’ve never met– all of a sudden you take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever… if you’re American you’ll go “Fuck the French! Fuck the French, if we hadn’t have saved their ass in two World Wars, they’d be speakin’ German right now!” And you go, “Oh, was that us?” Was that me and you, Tommy, we saved the French? Jesus! I know I blacked out a little after that fourth shot of Jägermeister last night, but I don’t remember… I know we were going through the Wendy’s drive-thru to get one of them “Freshetta” sandwiches that looked so alluring on the commercial, but then we ordered it and realized we had no money, and we had to ditch out before the second window, and those douchebags in line behind us with the bass music probably got our order and we laughed about that. But I don’t remember savin’ the French. At all! I went through the last ten calls on my cell phone and there’s nothin’–incoming or outgoing–to the French, lookin’ for muscle on a project! I checked my pants, there’s no mud stains on the knees from when we were garroting Krauts in the trenches at Verdun. I think “we” didn’t do anything but watch sports bloopers while we got hammered. I think “we” should shut the fuck up!" - Doug Stanhope

[Mkuki]

I don't know about proud, but I would consider myself to be a loyal, or at least law-abiding, citizen of the United States. I also consider myself to be a patriot.

[Mike the Progressive]

I may be an American, but I neither can be proud nor loyal of a country that professes one thing but does another - lesser of evils or otherwise. As if asked in the next life to give accountability for my actions by a Supreme Creator, there is no possible reason whatseover to support such systems.

"Sitting at the table doesn’t make you a diner, unless you eat some of what’s on that plate. Being born here in America doesn’t make you an American. Why, if birth made you American, you wouldn’t need any legislation, you wouldn’t need any amendments to the Constitution, you wouldn’t be faced with civil-rights filibustering in Washington, D.C., right now." - Malcolm X

"I have more respect for a man who lets me know where he stands, even if he’s wrong, than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil." - Malcolm X

"There is no greater fallacy than the belief that aims and purposes are one thing, while methods and tactics are another, This conception is a potent menace to social regeneration. All human experience teaches that methods and means cannot be separated from the ultimate aim. The means employed become, through individual habit and social practice, part and parcel of the final purpose; they influence it, modify it, and presently the aims and means become identical." - Emma Goldman

"I say to you that our goal is freedom, and I believe we are going to get there because however much she strays away from it, the goal of America is freedom. Abused and scorned though we may be as a people, our destiny is tied up in the destiny of America." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

"I could never understand ethnic or national pride. Because to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a fucking genetic accident. You wouldn’t say ‘I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.’ So why the fuck would you be proud to be Irish, or proud to be Italian, or American or anything?" - George Carlin

"It’s the old American Double Standard, ya know: Say one thing, do somethin’ different. And of course this country is founded on the double standard, that’s our history! We were founded on a very basic double standard: This country was founded by slave owners who wanted to be free." - George Carlin

"Nationalism does nothing but teach you how to hate people you’ve never met– all of a sudden you take pride in accomplishments you had no part in whatsoever… if you’re American you’ll go “Fuck the French! Fuck the French, if we hadn’t have saved their ass in two World Wars, they’d be speakin’ German right now!” And you go, “Oh, was that us?” Was that me and you, Tommy, we saved the French? Jesus! I know I blacked out a little after that fourth shot of Jägermeister last night, but I don’t remember… I know we were going through the Wendy’s drive-thru to get one of them “Freshetta” sandwiches that looked so alluring on the commercial, but then we ordered it and realized we had no money, and we had to ditch out before the second window, and those douchebags in line behind us with the bass music probably got our order and we laughed about that. But I don’t remember savin’ the French. At all! I went through the last ten calls on my cell phone and there’s nothin’–incoming or outgoing–to the French, lookin’ for muscle on a project! I checked my pants, there’s no mud stains on the knees from when we were garroting Krauts in the trenches at Verdun. I think “we” didn’t do anything but watch sports bloopers while we got hammered. I think “we” should shut the fuck up!" - Doug Stanhope

I don't mind this mentality, but you do realize it's applicable to all countries? Where every nation says one thing and does another.

[Mechindra]

I don't mind this mentality, but you do realize it's applicable to all countries? Where every nation says one thing and does another.

Naturally, and that therein the problem exists. The history of peaceful government isn't just a fairy tale, but the most intentional of lies by the victors of the world.

[Abdju]

Honest question. Do you feel a sense of loyalty or pride to your country of birth?

I was born in the UK. I have absolutely zero loyalty to, or pride in this country. Perhaps it's because though I was born here I didn't grow up here, but either way I have no time for the place. It's not just the crappy socio-economic policies (destruction of public housing, mass privatisation, welfare cuts etc.) but also the culture itself that turns me off - a lack of commitment too or respect for education, a low-skill/low-pay work culture, proud anti-intellectualism, rascism and disdain for high culture, multiculturalism or cultural fusion.

I'm just about to complete my post grad training, so as soon as I've got a job offer, I am out of here one last time. I wouldn't defend the place. I don't intend to keep my passport. My best feelings toward the UK can be summed up as "If I leave them alone, they might leave me alone".

[Mike the Progressive]

I don't mind this mentality, but you do realize it's applicable to all countries? Where every nation says one thing and does another.

Naturally, and that therein the problem exists. The history of peaceful government isn't just a fairy tale, but the most intentional of lies by the victors of the world.

Fair enough. I don't know if I agree, but I respect the consistency.

[Bosnakia]

I have mixed feelings I hate the interventionism Forieng Policy I like isolationism. But for the most part I've had a horrible experience in America. Just forget politics here I've just had bad rimes here and I am done with USA. I would take Canada over America in a heart beat. Inshallah I can move to Canada I'm ready to renounce my citizenship all together for Canada. I've lived in the American south all my damn life I hate "Dixie" it's literally hell on Earth. Love bugs it's hot bunch of red necks and criminals. I want some damn seasons all this hell hole has is Summer & Monsoon season. It's 95 every singal day stand out side for a Minute and you got the hold damn nile tiger in you'r shirt. And it's humid. This has been my experience in America and America always fighting other wars that arnt there's. It's just stupid and the whole thing saying we need to invade Syria! Seriously???????????????? FSA is 75% Al-Qeada! I just can't take this nation Canada is America #2 I get it but it's better more neutral and also is so beautiful it's Tundras and Steppes and Forressts and Mountians and can actually have 4 seasons. Omg makes me wanna cry that I'm not there.

[TheWalkingGhost]

I have mixed feelings I hate the interventionism Forieng Policy I like isolationism. But for the most part I've had a horrible experience in America. Just forget politics here I've just had bad rimes here and I am done with USA. I would take Canada over America in a heart beat. Inshallah I can move to Canada I'm ready to renounce my citizenship all together for Canada. I've lived in the American south all my damn life I hate "Dixie" it's literally hell on Earth. Love bugs it's hot bunch of red necks and criminals. I want some damn seasons all this hell hole has is Summer & Monsoon season. It's 95 every singal day stand out side for a Minute and you got the hold damn nile tiger in you'r shirt. And it's humid. This has been my experience in America and America always fighting other wars that arnt there's. It's just stupid and the whole thing saying we need to invade Syria! Seriously???????????????? FSA is 75% Al-Qeada! I just can't take this nation Canada is America #2 I get it but it's better more neutral and also is so beautiful it's Tundras and Steppes and Forressts and Mountians and can actually have 4 seasons. Omg makes me wanna cry that I'm not there.

You are judging the climate of the entire nation based on a fraction of it? Please say you are joking.....If not then...

[TheWalkingGhost]

Not sure about the Sino-Indo part. Depending how long is "soon" I guess.

Well, in California, East Asians and Indians are the only people keeping Hispanics from being the majority, and currently keeping white people at the generous plurality.

And soon is before 2050.

Millions of Hispanics are white.

[Bosnakia]

I have mixed feelings I hate the interventionism Forieng Policy I like isolationism. But for the most part I've had a horrible experience in America. Just forget politics here I've just had bad rimes here and I am done with USA. I would take Canada over America in a heart beat. Inshallah I can move to Canada I'm ready to renounce my citizenship all together for Canada. I've lived in the American south all my damn life I hate "Dixie" it's literally hell on Earth. Love bugs it's hot bunch of red necks and criminals. I want some damn seasons all this hell hole has is Summer & Monsoon season. It's 95 every singal day stand out side for a Minute and you got the hold damn nile tiger in you'r shirt. And it's humid. This has been my experience in America and America always fighting other wars that arnt there's. It's just stupid and the whole thing saying we need to invade Syria! Seriously???????????????? FSA is 75% Al-Qeada! I just can't take this nation Canada is America #2 I get it but it's better more neutral and also is so beautiful it's Tundras and Steppes and Forressts and Mountians and can actually have 4 seasons. Omg makes me wanna cry that I'm not there.

You are judging the climate of the entire nation based on a fraction of it? Please say you are joking.....If not then...

Did you read the whole fucking post?

[Nedvia]

My nation disappeared in 1980. We were loyal to it, probably to a fault. I will not be loyal to another. It all seems so pointless. Let the animals and the trees have the planet. We've mucked it all up.

[Orphalese]

I feel nothing for the Philippines. I like the occasional shopping strip or business district around Manila (immediate area where I work these days is mighty fine), but other than that I don't really bother.

[Mechindra]

Naturally, and that therein the problem exists. The history of peaceful government isn't just a fairy tale, but the most intentional of lies by the victors of the world.

Fair enough. I don't know if I agree, but I respect the consistency.

That's all I'd ever ask for, anyways; respect.

[Cato Island]

Honest question. Do you feel a sense of loyalty or pride to your country of birth?

Not really, no. America has been responsible for a lot of suffering and antagonism worldwide, especially over the last 100 yrs. But recently with Presidents like Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes, horrendous atrocities have been committed which make me embarrassed to be from the US.

[Lamplight Caverns]

Am I proud with a backwards country that can hardly get anywhere, without pretending to be the greatest beacon of 'freedom'? Am I proud of a country that curtails basic civil rights and allows things like the Church to live tax-free? Am I proud of a country that still lets religious dogma in to everything, including legislation, but says 'Oh no, we're totally separated guys!'? Am I proud of a country that came in at the right time, and honestly could have taken the world by storm, but is instead destroying itself from the inside out? And finally, should I be proud of a country that sees war and antagonizing as the answer to every solution, as evidenced by the 21 years of peace that it's had since its existence? Am I proud of a country who spies on its own citizens so unashamedly, while those citizens are fooled in to believing their rights being curbed is totally okay and for the best?

No. I'm not, and I'm not a patriot.

Not to say other countries are utopias, but goddamn, this one's awful.

[Arkiasis]

Canada great and all. But loyal? Fuck that, if this country does something stupid I will sure as hell will not stand behind it. Much like I have denounced my Russian ancestry over their recent bullshit. I generally only only show pride during sports and whatnot. Anytime else seems a bit too nationalistic for me. Like when we have to stand for the freaking anthem every goddamn morning in school, that's ridiculous.

[Orphalese]

Canada great and all. But loyal? Fuck that, if this country does something stupid I will sure as hell will not stand behind it. Much like I have denounced my Russian ancestry over their recent bullshit. I generally only only show pride during sports and whatnot. Anytime else seems a bit too nationalistic for me. Like when we have to stand for the freaking anthem every goddamn morning in school, that's ridiculous.

Damn I remember that. Flag ceremony. Had that in my country of origin too. That went on from the outset of elementary school all the way to the end of secondary. Unpleasant business.

With regard to my country I don't even support all of the major athletes that compete globally. Pacquiao lost my respect when he ran for congress and won.

[Braylandia]

I'm loyal enough but I'd be more loyal if we f**ked our Nazi government out of our island of Ireland.

[Serbian Kosovo]

I love my Country. AND THAT IS SERBIA!!!

[Seaxeland]

I am proud and loyal to my country, I just hate it's shitty governance.

[Trezchoix]

[quote="Haafingar and Hjaalmarch";p="18528572"]Honest question. Do you feel a sense of loyalty or pride to your country of birth?

You see, I'm an American. I voted twice for Obama hoping for real change and so far nothing. quote]

the fact you voted for him is funny enough but all in all yes America is great and I am proud of America we have our faults as does everyone. I am also a South African and proud of South Africa as well. But go MURICA!

note my parents are Rhodesians soo

[Trezchoix]

Am I proud with a backwards country that can hardly get anywhere, without pretending to be the greatest beacon of 'freedom'? Am I proud of a country that curtails basic civil rights and allows things like the Church to live tax-free? Am I proud of a country that still lets religious dogma in to everything, including legislation, but says 'Oh no, we're totally separated guys!'? Am I proud of a country that came in at the right time, and honestly could have taken the world by storm, but is instead destroying itself from the inside out? And finally, should I be proud of a country that sees war and antagonizing as the answer to every solution, as evidenced by the 21 years of peace that it's had since its existence? Am I proud of a country who spies on its own citizens so unashamedly, while those citizens are fooled in to believing their rights being curbed is totally okay and for the best?

No. I'm not, and I'm not a patriot.

Not to say other countries are utopias, but goddamn, this one's awful.

then leave....

[Bojikami]

Not as of late. Putin is a dick. Medvedev is also a dick and now theyre getting us into some pointless conflict all because Ukraine's recent situation is affecting Putin's little Russian empire.