Vulpae wrote:Lenciland wrote:
Yes religion was an opiate to a society to them, not necessarily their's but that of their gods.
Second:Incest was okay with the Romans because to them sex meant nothing.
Source:http://www.roman-empire.net/society/soc-household.html
Third: On the contrary, their hard views on the after life made most Romans do good things, but as human nature tells us we focus on the bad person instead of the good person so it is mostly bad and occasionally good.
Source:http://death.wikia.com/wiki/Death_in_Ancient_Rome
Fourth:Ahh, yes, the Church was always very equal and that is why it is in the Bible that women cannot have public church roles. To say they adopted their sexism from the Romans is a completely wrong idea. Rome had some of the most progressive women's rights laws that the world would see for almost two thousand years. They went to school, owned land, wrote their own wills, could marry whom they pleased, could divorce when they wanted, had laws protecting them from spousal abuse, played many of the game's that Roman boys played, and got to exert overt political power.
Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Ancient_Rome
I'm refuting wiki pages, from various wikis now... Link me to a university dissertation and archeological study.
It's important to differentiate between the early republic, late republic, early empire, mid empire, and dying empire, periods in roman history and culture.
Please do some actual research, and you'll realize that some of what you are spouting at me are preconceived notions and stereotypes. Some of which were first spread as propaganda by the Anglican/Dutch churches about Catholics during the age of sail, largely to counter the power of catholic missionaries in the New World and Far East.
2:Among common romans but the Greeks had a dim view of it at the time (were totally cool with homosexuality though). But the idea of a cult where all the marriages are "Brothers" & "Sisters" now that raised some eyebrows.
3: Right, the heroic romans go to Elysium, the damnati (slaves, criminals, and so forth) go to Tartarus. But everyone else gets a grey endless afterlife. The primary concern is keeping the bastards in the grey depressing afterlife, and not here menacing the living.
Christanity offered those damnati a much better afterlife, especially those who had been born into slavery for generations.
4: Roman society was progressive to their own citizens (again it's Rome, so anyone who's not Roman gets the raw end of politics.) during the republican era. But after the reforms of Augustus, it became more and more sexist, and more abusive to the slave caste, not that they were that kind initially. but it got worse as the imperial system calcified and the empire rotted from within. Your data is flawed and sees things from one perspective, and assumes Rome was the same Rome all the way through.
It is no coincidence that Peter was crucified for preaching what amounted to women's liberation. Almost all the slave girls in the city refused to sell their bodies as a result of his preaching, in roman socity by telling the whores they don't have to put out. He was committing treason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_rol ... ristianity
note the difference between egalitarian, and patriarchy thought sets. You are doing the religious equivalent of claiming all Americans are Republicans because you hate republicans.
Stop thinking in propaganda & stereotypes man.
You have the nerve to get up here and preach to me about a book of proselytism and then tell me to quit thinking in propaganda!! To get up here and tell me that you reject Wikipedia as a reliable source and then use it!! You tell me my data is flawed when your's isn't even sourced and when it is it is from a site that I can't use as a source because you said that it isn't reliable. Find me a university dissertation or archaeological study to back your claims, hell, even use Wikipedia I don't care just source your claims before you lord over me and read the Odyssey. I have and you just made crap up. Practice what you teach, that is in the bible isn't it? Or faith without works is dead, I believe Paul wrote that. Wasn't it Jesus who said that god hated hypocrites and false teachers more than heathens? Treat me that way and I will treat you that way. That is the golden rule isn't it?
