According to Scripture, that's not true, and is, according to the older branches of Christianity, a piece of Protestant heresy.
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by Neu Preussische Republik » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:38 pm
by Lenciland » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:38 pm
Karlsreich wrote:And on the fourth day, God created Saturn. And he liked it. So he put a ring on it.
by Bombadil » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:39 pm
Lenciland wrote:Bombadil wrote:
The Miso faith is a welcoming faith, unless you're one of those Chougou miso people, then you can die heretic!
Yay what are the rights of passage Great Elder Miso!!?
I have found our holy book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miso
by Menassa » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:40 pm
by Lenciland » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:41 pm
Bombadil wrote:Lenciland wrote:Yay what are the rights of passage Great Elder Miso!!?
I have found our holy book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miso
I haven't tied down all the details yet, suffice to say giving me money is going to be a major part of it.
Karlsreich wrote:And on the fourth day, God created Saturn. And he liked it. So he put a ring on it.
by Menassa » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:41 pm
Neu Preussische Republik wrote:[...]
After I had a firm grounding in the understanding of things like Abiogenesis, Natural Selection, Sexual Selection, Mutation Selection and so on, I really begun my journey through disproving the Bible, learning many, many stories in the Bible which I had never heard before in my life, learning how many of the "prophecies" in the old testament were never prophecies, or were completely unfulfilled, even many of the prophecies for the Messiah.
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by Blasveck » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:41 pm
Neu Preussische Republik wrote:I suppose to go along with the general theme here, I am no longer a Christian, and am fully irreligious, so I shall explain myself.
I was born into a fundamentalist Baptist family, and I've grown up going to strictly Baptist churches, the kind that preaches King-James-Only "Full bible and nothing but the bible" nonsense, so as to prove themselves hypocrites when they conveniently ignore the story of Elisha and the children making fun of his baldness, and many others like it.
So I was indoctrinated from a very young age, and I grew up a Creationist Fundamentalist Conservative; I fully supported whatever Republican candidate was on the platform, even though I knew nothing about Politics; I fully supported the outlawing of homosexuality, recreational substances, the war in Iraq, etc; I also wholeheartedly believed that Evolution was nothing more than propaganda made by Satan himself to lead the masses to lies and make them all have sex with goats and horses, and drink all night before doing drugs and becoming gay people.
So I went on like this for quite a few years, until I turned 13, and regretfully, I became an "atheist", solely for the purpose of "rebelling" and acting "cool" on the internet. This of course did not last long, as I "rediscovered my faith" sometime when I was 15, and I went on being one of the most devout Christians I would know, in many cases being even more devout in my faith than everyone else around me, to the point of genuinely fearing for their salvation.
Anyway, only just recently had I stumbled across videos on Youtube from things like the Atheist Experience, which I took an odd intrigue in, and from there it just played domino effect on my entire world view and belief structure; From there, I ended up visiting many websites dedicated to evidence to support Evolution, simply so I could understand more about it, and I very quickly concluded that I had absolutely no idea what Evolution was, or how it worked... And I concluded that these pastors and youth ministers whom I had put my trust in all my life had no idea what it was either, because everything I knew about Evolution I had learned from them.
After I had a firm grounding in the understanding of things like Abiogenesis, Natural Selection, Sexual Selection, Mutation Selection and so on, I really begun my journey through disproving the Bible, learning many, many stories in the Bible which I had never heard before in my life, learning how many of the "prophecies" in the old testament were never prophecies, or were completely unfulfilled, even many of the prophecies for the Messiah.
Anyway, to summarize, I've always thought myself a fairly intelligent person, in fact I've often thought myself quite intelligent, and I've always had a fairly critical thought process about most things, remaining skeptical and asking for proof in most deals, but I never bothered to question my faith until this point very recently. And once I did, I can say the results were less than satisfactory, as I found there to not only be a lack of factual, evidential proof backing the bible, but I found there to be more evidence opposing it.
by Lenciland » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:43 pm
Blasveck wrote:Neu Preussische Republik wrote:I suppose to go along with the general theme here, I am no longer a Christian, and am fully irreligious, so I shall explain myself.
I was born into a fundamentalist Baptist family, and I've grown up going to strictly Baptist churches, the kind that preaches King-James-Only "Full bible and nothing but the bible" nonsense, so as to prove themselves hypocrites when they conveniently ignore the story of Elisha and the children making fun of his baldness, and many others like it.
So I was indoctrinated from a very young age, and I grew up a Creationist Fundamentalist Conservative; I fully supported whatever Republican candidate was on the platform, even though I knew nothing about Politics; I fully supported the outlawing of homosexuality, recreational substances, the war in Iraq, etc; I also wholeheartedly believed that Evolution was nothing more than propaganda made by Satan himself to lead the masses to lies and make them all have sex with goats and horses, and drink all night before doing drugs and becoming gay people.
So I went on like this for quite a few years, until I turned 13, and regretfully, I became an "atheist", solely for the purpose of "rebelling" and acting "cool" on the internet. This of course did not last long, as I "rediscovered my faith" sometime when I was 15, and I went on being one of the most devout Christians I would know, in many cases being even more devout in my faith than everyone else around me, to the point of genuinely fearing for their salvation.
Anyway, only just recently had I stumbled across videos on Youtube from things like the Atheist Experience, which I took an odd intrigue in, and from there it just played domino effect on my entire world view and belief structure; From there, I ended up visiting many websites dedicated to evidence to support Evolution, simply so I could understand more about it, and I very quickly concluded that I had absolutely no idea what Evolution was, or how it worked... And I concluded that these pastors and youth ministers whom I had put my trust in all my life had no idea what it was either, because everything I knew about Evolution I had learned from them.
After I had a firm grounding in the understanding of things like Abiogenesis, Natural Selection, Sexual Selection, Mutation Selection and so on, I really begun my journey through disproving the Bible, learning many, many stories in the Bible which I had never heard before in my life, learning how many of the "prophecies" in the old testament were never prophecies, or were completely unfulfilled, even many of the prophecies for the Messiah.
Anyway, to summarize, I've always thought myself a fairly intelligent person, in fact I've often thought myself quite intelligent, and I've always had a fairly critical thought process about most things, remaining skeptical and asking for proof in most deals, but I never bothered to question my faith until this point very recently. And once I did, I can say the results were less than satisfactory, as I found there to not only be a lack of factual, evidential proof backing the bible, but I found there to be more evidence opposing it.
Y'know, just to point this out, your whole 'process' seems quite similar to mine, save for the third paragraph.
Never really hated gay people, as much as my parents tried to instill in me to do so.
Karlsreich wrote:And on the fourth day, God created Saturn. And he liked it. So he put a ring on it.
by Neu Preussische Republik » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:44 pm
by Kistan » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:44 pm
Humor: "It's the Vrell Fuel and Oils Corporation, not Kistani Oils. Kistani Oils makes lotions and petrolium jellies." | Disclaimer: Kistan is for fun, and you should not expect the IRL me to do the things Kistan may do. |
by Vareiln » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:44 pm
by Lenciland » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:46 pm
Karlsreich wrote:And on the fourth day, God created Saturn. And he liked it. So he put a ring on it.
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:46 pm
Vareiln wrote:Blasveck wrote:
Y'know, just to point this out, your whole 'process' seems quite similar to mine, save for the third paragraph.
Never really hated gay people, as much as my parents tried to instill in me to do so.
I kind of was, but never to an extreme, so thankfully that faded fast.
Hated and was afraid of transpeople though. A tad ironic, no?
What's also interesting is to hear the common experiences of those who grew up in Christian, mostly conservative, households who are now atheists of some sort.
by Neutraligon » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:46 pm
Vareiln wrote:Blasveck wrote:
Y'know, just to point this out, your whole 'process' seems quite similar to mine, save for the third paragraph.
Never really hated gay people, as much as my parents tried to instill in me to do so.
I kind of was, but never to an extreme, so thankfully that faded fast.
Hated and was afraid of transpeople though. A tad ironic, no?
What's also interesting is to hear the common experiences of those who grew up in Christian, mostly conservative, households who are now atheists of some sort.
by Kistan » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:47 pm
Lenciland wrote:No there is no Messiah only the Misoiah and that is the Greta One. Bombadil and I am his prophet.
Humor: "It's the Vrell Fuel and Oils Corporation, not Kistani Oils. Kistani Oils makes lotions and petrolium jellies." | Disclaimer: Kistan is for fun, and you should not expect the IRL me to do the things Kistan may do. |
by Menassa » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:47 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Vareiln wrote:I kind of was, but never to an extreme, so thankfully that faded fast.
Hated and was afraid of transpeople though. A tad ironic, no?
What's also interesting is to hear the common experiences of those who grew up in Christian, mostly conservative, households who are now atheists of some sort.
For me the reason I see that happen over and over again is that in fundamentalist Christian groups, people are not allowed to question. The problem is, it is pretty much human nature to question things, which kinda breaks the whole system.
by Vareiln » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:47 pm
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Vareiln wrote:I kind of was, but never to an extreme, so thankfully that faded fast.
Hated and was afraid of transpeople though. A tad ironic, no?
What's also interesting is to hear the common experiences of those who grew up in Christian, mostly conservative, households who are now atheists of some sort.
Like the 60's kids who became Reaganites?
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:48 pm
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