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Postby Estruia » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:14 pm

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All of those lands were stolen from the Olmecs.


Nope, the Olmecs only ever inhabited a small part of the coastal area around La Venta. The Zapotecs and Mixtecs were the ones who were screwed over more.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:19 pm

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The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:I prefer Mercator projection because I like my maps to look like maps.

You mean you like it since Europe is terribly oversized and Africa comes out as tiny and insignificant :P

No, I mean since it looks like a map, and not a map with stretched out continents or a cut up globe. In all honesty Robinson Projection is best, but I choose Mercator simply because it angers people who complain about Africa being tiny, as though Africa is important.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:23 pm

The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:You mean you like it since Europe is terribly oversized and Africa comes out as tiny and insignificant :P

No, I mean since it looks like a map, and not a map with stretched out continents or a cut up globe. In all honesty Robinson Projection is best, but I choose Mercator simply because it angers people who complain about Africa being tiny, as though Africa is important.

Africa has a population of 1.033 billion, the fastest growing continental economy in the world, is goddamn gargantuan (The D.R.C. is as big as Western Europe FFS) and contains unbelievably vast amounts of natural resources, and you're saying it's not important?

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Postby Utceforp » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:23 pm

The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:You mean you like it since Europe is terribly oversized and Africa comes out as tiny and insignificant :P

No, I mean since it looks like a map, and not a map with stretched out continents or a cut up globe. In all honesty Robinson Projection is best, but I choose Mercator simply because it angers people who complain about Africa being tiny, as though Africa is important.

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Postby Confederate People of the United States » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:27 pm

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Postby Seleucas » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:28 pm

I'd probably include the rest of the South with Texas (so, everything within TX, OK, KY, and VA), and make a good chunk of the Midwest sovereign Indian nations. The West Coast can be Cascadia.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:29 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:No, I mean since it looks like a map, and not a map with stretched out continents or a cut up globe. In all honesty Robinson Projection is best, but I choose Mercator simply because it angers people who complain about Africa being tiny, as though Africa is important.

Africa has a population of 1.033 billion, the fastest growing continental economy in the world, is goddamn gargantuan (The D.R.C. is as big as Western Europe FFS) and contains unbelievably vast amounts of natural resources, and you're saying it's not important?

Individual countries have higher populations than the whole of Africa, individual countries have high GDPs than the whole of Africa. In fact Africa's GDP is the 5th lowest of all of the continents, with only Australia and Antarctica having a lower GDP. Africa is not some hidden super power, it is an impoverished continent, with very few stable countries that can be held up as an example of a successful African state.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:29 pm

The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:You mean you like it since Europe is terribly oversized and Africa comes out as tiny and insignificant :P

No, I mean since it looks like a map, and not a map with stretched out continents or a cut up globe. In all honesty Robinson Projection is best, but I choose Mercator simply because it angers people who complain about Africa being tiny, as though Africa is important.

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Postby Constaniana » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:29 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Constaniana wrote:My map keeps the UK together. It also brings Italy in together with Great Britain, before conquering western Europe, the Americas, Australia, New Zealand, half of Russia, the middle east and the northern half of Africa. killing itself

Fix'd for accuracy

The Holy Britalian Empire's glorious expansion in the face of global crisis as the Dark Lord Arjun conquers Asia and destroys South Africa is as accurate and realistic as the Holy Empire's legions of mecha, flying aircraft carriers and giant space elevators.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:31 pm

The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Africa has a population of 1.033 billion, the fastest growing continental economy in the world, is goddamn gargantuan (The D.R.C. is as big as Western Europe FFS) and contains unbelievably vast amounts of natural resources, and you're saying it's not important?

1) Individual countries have higher populations than the whole of Africa, 2) individual countries have high GDPs than the whole of Africa. 3) In fact Africa's GDP is the 5th lowest of all of the continents, 4) with only Australia and Antarctica having a lower GDP. 5)Africa is not some hidden super power, 6) it is an impoverished continent, 7) with very few stable countries that can be held up as an example of a successful African state.

1) So?
2) So?
3) So?
4) So?
5) Debatable - there is such a thing as the future.
6) So? - see above.
7) So?

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Postby Dracoria » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:31 pm

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Somehow, this is how I read it.
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Postby New Catalonia » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:32 pm

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Postby The Priestly Society of Saint Philomena » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:34 pm

How bout falklands goes to argentina

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Postby Dainer » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:34 pm

The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:No, I mean since it looks like a map, and not a map with stretched out continents or a cut up globe. In all honesty Robinson Projection is best, but I choose Mercator simply because it angers people who complain about Africa being tiny, as though Africa is important.

Corrected for honesty.

Mercator also makes Greenland larger than South America, makes Russia look like it's half of the world on its own, and usually has to be cut off somewhere near Parallel 80 in order to not make Antarctica look like an all-consuming monster of a continent. Such hierarchy.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:34 pm

The Priestly Society of Saint Philomena wrote:How bout falklands goes to argentina

Why? The Falklanders want to stay as a British overseas territory.

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Postby Constaniana » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:35 pm

The Priestly Society of Saint Philomena wrote:How bout falklands goes to argentina

How about no. If anything, Argentina should go to the Falklands.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:35 pm

Constaniana wrote:
The Priestly Society of Saint Philomena wrote:How bout falklands goes to argentina

How about no. If anything, Argentina should go to the Falklands.

That's even sillier.

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Postby Vulpae » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:36 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:1) Individual countries have higher populations than the whole of Africa, 2) individual countries have high GDPs than the whole of Africa. 3) In fact Africa's GDP is the 5th lowest of all of the continents, 4) with only Australia and Antarctica having a lower GDP. 5)Africa is not some hidden super power, 6) it is an impoverished continent, 7) with very few stable countries that can be held up as an example of a successful African state.

1) So?
2) So?
3) So?
4) So?
5) Debatable - there is such a thing as the future.
6) So? - see above.
7) So?

But at the moment he's right, right now Africa has potential but is not some superpower waiting to be unleashed.
It would require someone to actually unify bickering tribes and states, probably with velvet hand and iron fist.

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Postby New Catalonia » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:39 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
The Priestly Society of Saint Philomena wrote:How bout falklands goes to argentina

Why? The Falklanders want to stay as a British overseas territory.

Seriously, its only the Argentinian political classes and a few Peronists actually give a crap. Most Argentinians don't want to force them to join Argentina and respect their choice. They're just made to look like zealot militarists by their crazy witch queen Kirchner and her dead bug eyed husband before her. I seriously think Spain or Mexico have a greater claim and that's saying something about anyone but Britain's claim's credibility.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:39 pm

Vulpae wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:1) So?
2) So?
3) So?
4) So?
5) Debatable - there is such a thing as the future.
6) So? - see above.
7) So?

But at the moment he's right, right now Africa has potential but is not some superpower waiting to be unleashed.
It would require someone to actually unify bickering tribes and states, probably with velvet hand and iron fist.

Or, you know, said states could emerge independently, i.e. as part of the Next Eleven.

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Postby Dracoria » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:39 pm

Arkiasis wrote:Good luck trying to unite Korea and Ireland.


Just imagine the new cuisine. Lots and lots of cabbage.

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Their waffles are simply too large. Obviously, breaking up the country is the only way to make them more manageable.
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Postby New Catalonia » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:41 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Constaniana wrote:How about no. If anything, Argentina should go to the Falklands.

That's even sillier.

i would quite like to see the British invasions of patagonia in the 1770s be successful... Even if just to annoy the Spanish! :P

Maybe the Chubut valley could go to the British as there's welsh speakers there! :lol:
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Postby Benuty » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:42 pm

That map is utterly atrocious.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:57 pm

Benuty wrote:That map is utterly beautiful.

Fixed.

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Postby Dracoria » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:57 pm

Seleucas wrote:I'd probably include the rest of the South with Texas (so, everything within TX, OK, KY, and VA), and make a good chunk of the Midwest sovereign Indian nations. The West Coast can be Cascadia.


I wouldn't consider Virginia to be part of the separatist south anymore. They barely were in 1861, and even then only after the initial military actions (Ft. Sumter and the precautionary Union occupation of Maryland) kind of scared them. Their culture is more central eastern seaboard than deep south and certainly more than the southwest or central plains. In other words, it's closer toMaryland and Delaware in character than Texas and Oklahoma.

Also noone has mentioned the state of Delmarva, but I guess remapping of states within the US hasn't really come up.
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