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Postby Constaniana » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:41 pm

The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:
Constaniana wrote:See, my map doesn't rip nations apart, except for Russia Saudi Arabia, and a bit of Japan. See for yourself.
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Your map has an awesome backstory. 8/10. It loses 2 points because there aren't enough nations, mega empires are cool and all, but they don't mean much without weaker nations to easily extinguish and fight over. What is WW1 without Belgium and Serbia? What is WW2 without Canada and Italy? What is the 7 years war without Spain?

The weaker nations have all either been consumed by the two great powers at that point in the war or are classified as part of The Wastelands.
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:43 pm

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Viritica wrote:Why are you ripping apart all the great nations of the world?

Also, with the USA, I could understand making Hawaii and Puerto Rico independent but why all those states? Alaska was purchased with hardly any population in it. Texas wanted to become part of the USA. And California, hell, California wanted to be a part of the US as well.

See, my map doesn't rip nations apart, except for Russia Saudi Arabia, and a bit of Japan. See for yourself.
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This kind of map is what happens when you set two people against each other in a Paradox game and just wait to see what happens.
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Postby Rex Lucian » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:47 pm

Cyllea wrote:So, I took an hour or so and created this map:

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Fundamentally, its a map of nations and territorial resolutions that I support completely. If you have any questions as to why I support a certain independence movement or other territorial change, feel free to ask. What does NSG think? Support some? All? None?

Alaska gains independence from USA
Hawaii gains independence from USA
Texas gains independence from USA
California gains independence from USA
Vermont gains independence from USA
Puerto Rico gains independence from USA
Cascadia gains independence from USA and Canada
Quebec gains independence from Canada
Chiapas gains independence from Mexico
UK dissolves. Scotland, England and Wales gain independence, North Ireland unifies with The Republic of Ireland
Belgium dissolves, Flanders and Wallonia gain independence
Kosovo becomes part of Albania
Moldova dissolves. Gagauzia and Transninstria ceded to Ukraine, rest is ceded to Romania
Catalonia gains independence from Spain
Corsica gains independence from France
Sicily gains independence from Italy
Sardinia gains independence from Italy
Liechtenstein becomes part of Switzerland
San Marino becomes part of Italy
Monaco becomes part of France
Andorra becomes part either Catalonia or France
Kaliningrad/Prussia gains independence from Russia
South Ossetia gains full independence from Georgia
Abkhazia gains full independence from Georgia
Islamist majority area in Russia secedes. Unsure how different nations would form.
Inner Mongolia gains independence from China, Unsure if it should be ceded to Mongolia or remain independent
Korea unifies
Tibet gains independence from China
East Turkestan gains independence from China
People's Republic of China collapses. Republic of China takes control
Balochistan gains independence from Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan
Jammu and Kashmir gains independence from Pakistan and India
Southern Thailand is ceded to Malaysia
West Papua gains independence from Indonesia
Palestine gains full recognition as independent
Kurdistan gains independence from Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq
Yemen dissolves. North Yemen and South Yemen gain independence
Darfur gains independence from Sudan
Kurdufan gains independence from Sudan
Azawad gains independence from Mali
Sahrawi gains independence from Morocco
Somaliland gains full independence from Somalia
Puntland gains independence from Somalia
Katanga gains independence from DR Congo
Kivu gains independence from DR Congo
Bas-Congo gains independence from DR Congo
Casamance gains independence from Senegal
Cabinda gains independence from Angola
New Caledonia gains independence from France
French Guiana gains independence from France
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:50 pm

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:No, that is true for YOUR definition that North America is composed of both plaques, including the one that cuts Colombia in half.

It's not my definition. It's the definition of most respected geographers.

Cultural bias is not involved at all. :roll:
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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Saying South America includes the Caribbean and Central America up to the border with Guatemala makes far more geological sense.

In the end, all definitions of continent are arbitrary, but North America + Central America is the most arbitrary one given the nature of the artificiality of separating the Americas in order to not confuse the country named after the continent with the continent itself.

No it does not. The Caribbean and Central America were/still are attached to the North American plate, which used to be, and will one day again be separate from South America. Laurasia anybody?

No. The definitions are not arbitrary. They are useful for studying our planet.

The first isthmus, that is responsible for the modern-day islands, was formed by parts of both, and it was just as South American as North American, according to geological studies. It was still Pangea when the Americas started to break and it formed.

When the second isthmus formed, the first one was separated by both North and South America through oceanic water. It was - still is - a volcanic chain, formed through the Placa de Cocos subduing below the Caribbean Plate. It is just as independent from one another, but it should be mentioned that it aggregated further mountainous terrain to South America, as is seen through the cut of the Caribbean Plate passing through very high terrain in Colombia.

So yes, except if you got a source, it is still just rambling cultural supremacism.
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Postby Viritica » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:50 pm

Mushet wrote:
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The Caribbean's to the North.

Ergo, it's part of North America.

North and South America are divided along the equator.

....do you know where the equator is?

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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:50 pm

Constaniana wrote:
The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:Your map has an awesome backstory. 8/10. It loses 2 points because there aren't enough nations, mega empires are cool and all, but they don't mean much without weaker nations to easily extinguish and fight over. What is WW1 without Belgium and Serbia? What is WW2 without Canada and Italy? What is the 7 years war without Spain?

The weaker nations have all either been consumed by the two great powers at that point in the war or are classified as part of The Wastelands.

You see however, that makes your war less interesting, less dynamic. It is always nice to have those minor states to fight over, deal with coups, rebellions, nationalists, etc.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:53 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:It's also not like dual citizenship is an inherently bad thing, like xenophobia isn't a violation of human rights, or like Japan can be seen as a model for other nations why intolerance is better than acceptance of the differences.


It's not like you actually have a clue as to what you're talking about. Firstly, what exactly is wrong with dual citizenship? People can actually become Japanese citizens and still retain their old citizenship from birth. And what exactly is xenophobic? And that last part about "role models" is just ridiculous in the extreme.
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Postby Constaniana » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:54 pm

The Greater Luthorian Empire wrote:
Constaniana wrote:The weaker nations have all either been consumed by the two great powers at that point in the war or are classified as part of The Wastelands.

You see however, that makes your war less interesting, less dynamic. It is always nice to have those minor states to fight over, deal with coups, rebellions, nationalists, etc.

My war has Catholic Mormon monks and hormonal teenagers piloting flying mechas against flying monkey demons and Hindu steeple spaceships with flying aircraft carriers and space stations in the background. I'd say it's dynamic enough.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:00 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:It's also not like dual citizenship is an inherently bad thing, like xenophobia isn't a violation of human rights, or like Japan can be seen as a model for other nations why intolerance is better than acceptance of the differences.

It's not like you actually have a clue as to what you're talking about. Firstly, what exactly is wrong with dual citizenship? 1. People can actually become Japanese citizens and still retain their old citizenship from birth. 2. And what exactly is xenophobic? 3. And that last part about "role models" is just ridiculous in the extreme.

1. Pretty sure they can't
2. The attitudes people of foreign backgrounds often face when living in Japan
3. Ridiculous or not, the "ebul muslems" European crowd often congratulates Japan from the country's seeming social successes supposedly linked to them being the third most monocultural society in the world after the Koreas.
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Postby Skeckoa » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:01 pm

Also, for the OP: I'll be happier when you remake the United Provinces of Central America.
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:1. Pretty sure they can't
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:04 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Pretty sure they can't.


And you'd be wrong (and not for the first time).

The attitudes people of foreign backgrounds often face when living in Japan.


As opposed to living in a country like China or Korea?

Ridiculous or not, the "ebul muslems" European crowd often congratulates Japan from the country's seeming social successes supposedly linked to them being the third most monocultural society in the world after the Koreas.


And? Just because a bunch of neo-Nazis say something doesn't necessarily make it true. Japan's economic success is largely thanks to rebuilding most of its cities that were obliterated during WW2 and then rapidly building on that success by having a very low-value currency, thus boosting profits made from exports. Like Western Europe prior to the 1973 oil crisis.
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Postby Breadknife » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:59 pm

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Pasovo-nacoBo wrote:Hetalia written every where.

hey, did you know Prussia was a real place? click here to find out about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia

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Postby Breadknife » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:03 am

Marsisian wrote:California would never secede from the United States, nor would the US let go of California!
What if it does become an island... All we need is to nudge the faults a bit (without quite so much James Bond villainy1), maybe chisel in some choice faults of our own, and adrift it goes...

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Postby Corumm » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:14 am

So many pointless nations in the world, especially all those arab and african ones with their linear borders. Yuck

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Postby Breadknife » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:14 am

Satanic Socialist States wrote:Because I want to be apart of a republic.

You want to be apart from a republic, or you want to be a part of a republic?</curious>
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Postby Breadknife » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:19 am

Viritica wrote:There's North America and South America.

Then there's the United States of America.

People regularly call it America and it is an accepted term.

Get over it.

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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:22 am

Um... yeah.

I'd prefer if you removed all the borders entirely and color the whole map in either red or gold.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:53 am

You're not thinking big enough, nor are you guys pissing off enough people.

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Postby Korintar » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:02 am

Libertarian California wrote:
New North Aqmuland wrote:What the FUCK did you do with Mexico?


Well, quite simply, there is no Mexico. Just the Sonoran Sea.

America and Canada are their own continent.


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Postby The Legion of War » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:07 am

Neu Preussische Republik wrote:
The Legion of War wrote:Yeah but some of the independence movements aren't even active anymore/barely active.

Quebec's independence movement hasn't been anywhere near where it was a few decades ago. Cascadia doesn't really make any noise in Canada, not sure about US.

Not really to well informed about other independence movements :(


Actually, Quebec has been making some more noise the past couple of years, or so I've noticed.

They have been a bit more strict in enforcing provincial laws, such as Bill 101, but other than that I haven't heard of any major cries to separate.

That and I don't think most Quebecers know that if they DID separate... they wouldn't even get all of Quebec as it is today. They'd get only a portion of it. The rest would "go" to the natives, the one time Canada would find it useful to "properly" honour any sort of treaty with them.
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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:23 am

Trotskylvania wrote:nor are you guys pissing off enough people

Hmm...

I don't know how to take this active attempt at pissing-people-off at all...
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Postby Luveria » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:27 am

That map is of a dystopian world in which the US no longer dominates.

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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:28 am

Luveria wrote:That map is of a dystopian world in which the US no longer dominates.

But neither does China and Russia.

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Postby Luveria » Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:31 am

Gigaverse wrote:
Luveria wrote:That map is of a dystopian world in which the US no longer dominates.

But neither does China and Russia.

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