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Postby Ainin » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:11 pm

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Completely and utterly stupid.

As Canadian, I'd immediately emigrate if I lived under the same nation as those two.

And I'm guessing you automatically think the US would completely control the place?

Considering there's 300mn Americans and 30mn Canadians, yes.
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Postby Skeckoa » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:12 pm

New haven america wrote:
Cyllea wrote:Completely and utterly stupid.As Canadian, I'd immediately emigrate if I lived under the same nation as those two.
And I'm guessing you automatically think the US would completely control the place?
In all fairness, this is a legit concern. 315M vs 34M
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:12 pm

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Utceforp wrote:As long as everyone gets a say and it's not just "USA annexes everyone trololol", I'm fine with it. The United States of America would finally be accurate as a name, of course, instead of being a close runner up to the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" and the "Holy Roman Empire" in terms of intentional use of wrong terms in a country's name, but we've got to call it something else, obviously. In short, what would we call the country?
How is United States of America not a correct term. Is it not the Union of several American states?

"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."
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Postby Skeckoa » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:13 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Skeckoa wrote: How is United States of America not a correct term. Is it not the Union of several American states?
"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."
Well, not exactly, here I can TG some reasons why the name fits if you want.
Ainin wrote:Considering there's 300mn Americans and 30mn Canadians, yes.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:13 pm

Ainin wrote:
New haven america wrote:And I'm guessing you automatically think the US would completely control the place?

Considering there's 300mn Americans and 30mn Canadians, yes.

Not in my visionary country. *Nods*
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:13 pm

Skeckoa wrote:
Utceforp wrote:As long as everyone gets a say and it's not just "USA annexes everyone trololol", I'm fine with it. The United States of America would finally be accurate as a name, of course, instead of being a close runner up to the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" and the "Holy Roman Empire" in terms of intentional use of wrong terms in a country's name, but we've got to call it something else, obviously. In short, what would we call the country?
How is United States of America not a correct term. Is it not the Union of several American states?

He is implying America = the Americas, as it is in Romance languages and once was in other European languages.
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:14 pm

Skeckoa wrote:
Utceforp wrote:"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."
Well, not exactly, here I can TG some reasons why the name fits if you want.

Sure, go ahead.
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Postby Viritica » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:14 pm

Why are you ripping apart all the great nations of the world?

Also, with the USA, I could understand making Hawaii and Puerto Rico independent but why all those states? Alaska was purchased with hardly any population in it. Texas wanted to become part of the USA. And California, hell, California wanted to be a part of the US as well.
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Postby Nuverikstan » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:14 pm

Perfect! I don't care about the rest of the world, but good job Texas!
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Postby New haven america » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:15 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Skeckoa wrote: How is United States of America not a correct term. Is it not the Union of several American states?

"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."

The United States of America, is correct.
It wouldn't be correct if France named itself Europe, but if they named themselves "The United(Something) of Europe, it would be fine.
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:15 pm

New haven america wrote:So... USA+Canada+Mexico.
Let's make this happen!


Hell no.
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:15 pm

New haven america wrote:
Ainin wrote:Considering there's 300mn Americans and 30mn Canadians, yes.

Not in my visionary country. *Nods*

Does this visionary country systematically kill off Americans, or encourage the mass reproduction of Canadians?
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:15 pm

So screw cities-states that have remained fiercely independent for centuries, but yeah, more than three people wanted to make British Columbia it's own country once, let's do that. No really, there are more people in the Canadian libertarian party than the Cascadian movement!
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:16 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Skeckoa wrote: How is United States of America not a correct term. Is it not the Union of several American states?

"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."


No. America is an accurate term.
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:17 pm

New haven america wrote:
Utceforp wrote:"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."

The United States of America, is correct.
It wouldn't be correct if France named itself Europe, but if they named themselves "The United(Something) of Europe, it would be fine.

Alright, good point, but it encourages people to call it "America", which I would call them out on, if it were not a stupid thing to start an argument about.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:18 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Utceforp wrote:"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."


No. America is an accurate term.


Indeed, it is no more inaccurate than the EU, calling itself the European Union, despite not encompassing the entire continent.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:18 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Skeckoa wrote: How is United States of America not a correct term. Is it not the Union of several American states?

"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."

The USA was the only independent country on the continent at the time.
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Postby Wilkia » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:18 pm

I think Catalonia should be independent from Spain in the map. Seeing that there's been a few sporadic calls for independence within the region. But then again butchering another beautiful country. :unsure:

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Postby Viritica » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:19 pm

Utceforp wrote:
New haven america wrote:The United States of America, is correct.
It wouldn't be correct if France named itself Europe, but if they named themselves "The United(Something) of Europe, it would be fine.

Alright, good point, but it encourages people to call it "America", which I would call them out on, if it were not a stupid thing to start an argument about.

There's North America and South America.

Then there's the United States of America.

People regularly call it America and it is an accepted term.

Get over it.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:20 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Skeckoa wrote: How is United States of America not a correct term. Is it not the Union of several American states?

"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."

And the US was the only independent nation in the Americas when it gained independence. The United States of America was a pretty accurate name because there were no other states in the Americas, just colonies and small native tribes.
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:20 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Utceforp wrote:"United States" is accurate, but "of America" is inaccurate. The USA comprises less than a quarter of North America and South America. It's the equivalent of France renaming itself "Europe."

The USA was the only independent country on the continent at the time.

That, plus Manifest Destiny and all that, was the reason that the country was named that, yes. But now it is an inaccurate name.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:20 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
New haven america wrote:So... USA+Canada+Mexico.
Let's make this happen!


Hell no.

Hell yes.
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Postby Libertarian California » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:21 pm

Utceforp wrote:
New haven america wrote:The United States of America, is correct.
It wouldn't be correct if France named itself Europe, but if they named themselves "The United(Something) of Europe, it would be fine.

Alright, good point, but it encourages people to call it "America", which I would call them out on, if it were not a stupid thing to start an argument about.


Let me break it down:

North America: the continent from Alaska to southern Panama, including the Caribbean (although for political reasons, Canada/USA/Mexico, and for cultural reasons, Canada/USA

South America: Everything south of Panama

The Americas: North America and South America combined

Latin America: Mexico to Argentina plus the Spanish Caribbean

Anglo-America: The United States and Canada

America: The United States of America
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:21 pm

Viritica wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Alright, good point, but it encourages people to call it "America", which I would call them out on, if it were not a stupid thing to start an argument about.

There's North America and South America.

Then there's the United States of America.

People regularly call it America and it is an accepted term.

Get over it.

Didn't I just say that I didn't want to start arguments about it? And I'm not saying people should go to the effort of changing the name over such a trivial matter, just pointing out that it is inaccurate.
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:21 pm

Utceforp wrote:
Geilinor wrote:The USA was the only independent country on the continent at the time.

That, plus Manifest Destiny and all that, was the reason that the country was named that, yes. But now it is an inaccurate name.

So what do you suggest we rename the country to?
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