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Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:45 am**

Shove Piggy Shove wrote:I don't hate the Greens, and nor should anyone:

http://greenparty.org.uk/policies.html

Let's see:

Work will pay at least a living wage

This will hurt small companies.

Instead of shackling our nation with expensive new nuclear power

Nuclear power really is the only environmentally friendly way you'll ever power a country like Britain

We will support a European ban on genetically modified food.

This is stupid. As long as they're properly tested and regulated, GM foods are great.

We are opposed to the badger cull

Yes, of course! Let's spend a ridiculous amount of money catching badgers and vaccinating them!

Alyakia wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:It's better than Labour doing and then claiming that they're helping the working class. At least the Conservatives actually acknowledge that they're right wing.

"at least they admit they're fucking you" is a pretty shitty argument and always has been. am i supposed to give them more points for being openly shit?

I think people bash the Tories far too much, they don't have some kind of rabid hate of poor people, they're doing what they think is best for the country.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:51 am**

Britannic Realms wrote:I think people bash the Tories far too much, they don't have some kind of rabid hate of poor people, they're doing what they think is best for the country.

then they are either ignorant or liars, because they have been told by everyone (including the IMF, who would normally support their policies) that what they are doing is not best for the country.

again, why should they get points for doing what they think is best, even if it's clearly not? every fuck nut from thatcher to stalin thinks what they're doing is best for the country. well i lie i don't see how you can possibly say "b-b-but my friends getting rich as quality falls and prices rise from undersold properties and infrastructure really is best for the country!" and not be, well, see first sentence.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:03 am**

Britannic Realms wrote:
Shove Piggy Shove wrote:I don't hate the Greens, and nor should anyone:

http://greenparty.org.uk/policies.html

Let's see:

Work will pay at least a living wage

This will hurt small companies.

Instead of shackling our nation with expensive new nuclear power

Nuclear power really is the only environmentally friendly way you'll ever power a country like Britain

We will support a European ban on genetically modified food.

This is stupid. As long as they're properly tested and regulated, GM foods are great.

We are opposed to the badger cull

Yes, of course! Let's spend a ridiculous amount of money catching badgers and vaccinating them!

1. Not necessarily, it would depend on what other policies they introduced to protect/support smaller companies:

Smaller companies and cooperatives will be supported to create many socially beneficial local jobs.

2. Their opposition to nuclear power is something I disagree with, although their primary objection seems to be one of cost; so it isn't exactly set in stone.

3. They would support a European ban on GM foods, they haven't said they would introduce this themselves or that this is an actual priority.

4. The cost implications of culling are also quite high (according to the BBC, £6.4m across 4 years), so it's not as clear cut as that. Also, although I may be wrong, wouldn't vaccination decrease the overall spread of the disease in the long term?

Also, I don't think disagreeing with 4 policies is really enough to make you (or anyone) hate them.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:56 am**

Shove Piggy Shove wrote:
Britannic Realms wrote:
Let's see:

This will hurt small companies.

Nuclear power really is the only environmentally friendly way you'll ever power a country like Britain

This is stupid. As long as they're properly tested and regulated, GM foods are great.

Yes, of course! Let's spend a ridiculous amount of money catching badgers and vaccinating them!

1. Not necessarily, it would depend on what other policies they introduced to protect/support smaller companies:

Smaller companies and cooperatives will be supported to create many socially beneficial local jobs.

2. Their opposition to nuclear power is something I disagree with, although their primary objection seems to be one of cost; so it isn't exactly set in stone.

3. They would support a European ban on GM foods, they haven't said they would introduce this themselves or that this is an actual priority.

4. The cost implications of culling are also quite high (according to the BBC, £6.4m across 4 years), so it's not as clear cut as that. Also, although I may be wrong, wouldn't vaccination decrease the overall spread of the disease in the long term?

Also, I don't think disagreeing with 4 policies is really enough to make you (or anyone) hate them.

The cull is needed for a host of legitimate reasons. Anyway, even if you disagree with firm scientific and administrative evidence, 6.4 million is a decidedly small sum in terms of government spending - especially as the badgers (who will die slow and agonising death from TB) can cause immense damage to livestock that could easily run into the hundreds of millions of pounds.

The Greens are the party who advocate the non-renumerated nationalisation of the entire national banking system, the expulsion of one of science's greatest gifts from our energy mix and the destruction of any remaining defence expenditure or capabilites. Not to mention the pseudocommunist system of government espoused by the more militant members of the movement.

Oh, yeah, they also practically advocate ecoterrorism (obviously not the worst elements, only sabotage and such). Breaking and entering into nuclear power plants, sabotaging fracking installations, attacking buildings, etc.

This may seem harsh and I apologise for any offence in advance but I personally have little time for Green policies. In a genuinely unrelated point (in essence I don't dislike them because of the similarity to this movement, merely for their policies) it could be said from a political-philosophical standpoint that the Greens are the last far left (communistic perhaps) movement with significant representation in the UK.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:09 am**

Voltrovia wrote:The cull is needed for a host of legitimate reasons. Anyway, even if you disagree with firm scientific and administrative evidence, 6.4 million is a decidedly small sum in terms of government spending - especially as the badgers (who will die slow and agonising death from TB) can cause immense damage to livestock that could easily run into the hundreds of millions of pounds.

If anything, I actually think the scientific community is against the cull.

Posted: **Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:34 am**

Alf Landon wrote:
Voltrovia wrote:The cull is needed for a host of legitimate reasons. Anyway, even if you disagree with firm scientific and administrative evidence, 6.4 million is a decidedly small sum in terms of government spending - especially as the badgers (who will die slow and agonising death from TB) can cause immense damage to livestock that could easily run into the hundreds of millions of pounds.

If anything, I actually think the scientific community is against the cull.

Arguments exist on both sides although I am willing to acknowledge that the pro-cull side is weaker than it once was, not least as a result of the Environment Secretary's bombast.

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:06 am**

Britannic Realms wrote:
Shove Piggy Shove wrote:I don't hate the Greens, and nor should anyone:

http://greenparty.org.uk/policies.html

Let's see:

Work will pay at least a living wage

This will hurt small companies.

Instead of shackling our nation with expensive new nuclear power

Nuclear power really is the only environmentally friendly way you'll ever power a country like Britain

We will support a European ban on genetically modified food.

This is stupid. As long as they're properly tested and regulated, GM foods are great.

We are opposed to the badger cull

Yes, of course! Let's spend a ridiculous amount of money catching badgers and vaccinating them!

Alyakia wrote:
"at least they admit they're fucking you" is a pretty shitty argument and always has been. am i supposed to give them more points for being openly shit?

I think people bash the Tories far too much, they don't have some kind of rabid hate of poor people, they're doing what they think is best for the country.

Finally someone sees sense in this thread. God save the Queen

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:08 am**

Britannic Realms wrote:
Shove Piggy Shove wrote:I don't hate the Greens, and nor should anyone:

http://greenparty.org.uk/policies.html

Let's see:

Work will pay at least a living wage

This will hurt small companies.

Instead of shackling our nation with expensive new nuclear power

Nuclear power really is the only environmentally friendly way you'll ever power a country like Britain

We will support a European ban on genetically modified food.

This is stupid. As long as they're properly tested and regulated, GM foods are great.

We are opposed to the badger cull

Yes, of course! Let's spend a ridiculous amount of money catching badgers and vaccinating them!

Alyakia wrote:
"at least they admit they're fucking you" is a pretty shitty argument and always has been. am i supposed to give them more points for being openly shit?

I think people bash the Tories far too much, they don't have some kind of rabid hate of poor people, they're doing what they think is best for the country.

I don't care if they believe that. Intent does not matter. Results do.

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:56 am**

Labour will probably win in a landslide, and whilst I'm no fan of Labour or Miliband, we need the Tories out.

Not sure who I'll vote for, considering my area is a 100 percent Labour stronghold (one of the only ones in the South actually) I'll probably do a protest vote of some kind.

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:01 am**

Dejanic wrote:Labour will probably win in a landslide, and whilst I'm no fan of Labour or Miliband, we need the Tories out.

Not sure who I'll vote for, considering my area is a 100 percent Labour stronghold (one of the only ones in the South actually) I'll probably do a protest vote of some kind.

Agreed.

I'm in a Tory-dominated district, so I'll be voting Labour.

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:07 am**

Divair2 wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Labour will probably win in a landslide, and whilst I'm no fan of Labour or Miliband, we need the Tories out.

Not sure who I'll vote for, considering my area is a 100 percent Labour stronghold (one of the only ones in the South actually) I'll probably do a protest vote of some kind.

Agreed.

I'm in a Tory-dominated district, so I'll be voting Labour.

Ah, the UK, where they still have a voice for the people...somewhat. In America, we don't have this, we have yelling at the top of your lungs ad hominem.

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:26 am**

Kelinfort wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Agreed.

I'm in a Tory-dominated district, so I'll be voting Labour.

Ah, the UK, where they still have a voice for the people...somewhat. In America, we don't have this, we have yelling at the top of your lungs ad hominem.

Key word: Somewhat.

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:54 pm**

Divair2 wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Labour will probably win in a landslide, and whilst I'm no fan of Labour or Miliband, we need the Tories out.

Not sure who I'll vote for, considering my area is a 100 percent Labour stronghold (one of the only ones in the South actually) I'll probably do a protest vote of some kind.

Agreed.

I'm in a Tory-dominated district, so I'll be voting Labour.

Actually, a hung parliament is even more likely. Take a look here. The article is irrelevant, I didn't read it, and it's probably outdated. The results forecast next to it, which is more recent, is what matters. The majority Labour has in this prediction is extremely slim, and in the run-up to the election, like any governing party, the voters will be placated, just as the last budget did. Add in the shy tory factor and the fact that a number of people will probably ask themselves 'do I really want Labour to fuck things up again', and you can guarantee another hung parliament the Liberals will have to resolve?

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:04 pm**

Dejanic wrote:Labour will probably win in a landslide, and whilst I'm no fan of Labour or Miliband, we need the Tories out.

Not sure who I'll vote for, considering my area is a 100 percent Labour stronghold (one of the only ones in the South actually) I'll probably do a protest vote of some kind.

Labour's majority will likely be very slim. Or it may not exist at all, if current trends continue.

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:05 pm**

Wolfmanne wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Agreed.

I'm in a Tory-dominated district, so I'll be voting Labour.

Actually, a hung parliament is even more likely. Take a look here. The article is irrelevant, I didn't read it, and it's probably outdated. The results forecast next to it, which is more recent, is what matters. The majority Labour has in this prediction is extremely slim, and in the run-up to the election, like any governing party, the voters will be placated, just as the last budget did. Add in the shy tory factor and the fact that a number of people will probably ask themselves 'do I really want Labour to fuck things up again', and you can guarantee another hung parliament the Liberals will have to resolve?

So Cameron is bringing the country back to the 70's?

Posted: **Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:15 pm**

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Actually, a hung parliament is even more likely. Take a look here. The article is irrelevant, I didn't read it, and it's probably outdated. The results forecast next to it, which is more recent, is what matters. The majority Labour has in this prediction is extremely slim, and in the run-up to the election, like any governing party, the voters will be placated, just as the last budget did. Add in the shy tory factor and the fact that a number of people will probably ask themselves 'do I really want Labour to fuck things up again', and you can guarantee another hung parliament the Liberals will have to resolve?

So Cameron is bringing the country back to the 70's?

Well, if by that you're meaning more of the British public are realising that the Conservatives are actually making sense, then yes?

However, let's face it, a coalition, or a confidence and supply agreement, is more likely. God knows what the Lib Dems may do, although personally I'd like to see them in government again. At this rate, even Plaid Cymru, the SNP and the DUP could decide the election. This one is going to be very close.

Posted: **Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:03 am**

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Labour will probably win in a landslide, and whilst I'm no fan of Labour or Miliband, we need the Tories out.

Not sure who I'll vote for, considering my area is a 100 percent Labour stronghold (one of the only ones in the South actually) I'll probably do a protest vote of some kind.

Labour's majority will likely be very slim. Or it may not exist at all, if current trends continue.

This. As much as I'd like to wish for a landslide, it's not going to happen. If Labour's going to get a majority, it will be a fairly small one at most.

Posted: **Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:12 am**

Alf Landon wrote:
This. As much as I'd like to wish for a landslide, it's not going to happen. If Labour's going to get a majority, it will be a fairly small one at most.

This. Or potentially even hung Parliament territory again.

It will be interesting to see what the Liberal Democrats do if this is the case. Do they stay in government with the Torries or do they switch sides.

I welcome a Lib-Lab coalition, not really for the politics but for the incredibly bitchyness that will come from the Torries and Liberals about their previous coalition buddies whilst Labour have to work with a party they'd been slagging of for the last 5 years. Especially the Liberal front bench who have been personally attacked on numerous occasions.

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:18 am**

Divair2 wrote:I don't care if they believe that. Intent does not matter. Results do.

It's an interesting thing for me, because often people seem to believe something beyond "the opposition are doing something they wrongly believe will help".

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:20 am**

I am going for the Tories, I may not be a Briton but they seem to have some good ideas. Labour has some good ideas as well, however.

Posted: **Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:28 am**

Forsakia wrote:
Divair2 wrote:I don't care if they believe that. Intent does not matter. Results do.

It's an interesting thing for me, because often people seem to believe something beyond "the opposition are doing something they wrongly believe will help".

I don't get it. Maybe it's just me, but I vote for the party that gets the best results, not the party whose intentions are best.

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