UK general election poll

by **Divair2** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:13 am

Estormo wrote:
Divair2 wrote:The only people who say that, especially in the face of evidence in the very same thread, are in denial. Or noobs. Most probably both.

Labour being the most liked party on this thread is not surprising, you are one of those people. You know this. Look at the 2016 Election thread for the US, look at who’s leading. You cannot say NSG is Right-Wing.

21% + 18% > 30%

by **Estormo** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:16 am

Divair2 wrote:
Estormo wrote:Labour being the most liked party on this thread is not surprising, you are one of those people. You know this. Look at the 2016 Election thread for the US, look at who’s leading. You cannot say NSG is Right-Wing.

21% + 18% > 30%

Labour is the majority on this thread. You cant argue with that.

by **Divair2** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:17 am

Estormo wrote:
Divair2 wrote:21% + 18% > 30%

Labour is the majority on this thread. You cant argue with that.

Labour is the plurality, not the majority. A majority is over 50%. And Labour is not the left wing. Nor is the left wing larger. Tories + UKIP > Labour. The poll says so.

by **Marcurix** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:19 am

Divair2 wrote:
Estormo wrote:Labour being the most liked party on this thread is not surprising, you are one of those people. You know this. Look at the 2016 Election thread for the US, look at who’s leading. You cannot say NSG is Right-Wing.

21% + 18% > 30%

Although if one takes all the right wing parties (Conservatives and UKIP) and totals their votes against all the left wing parties while discounting the other vote it goes to 347 left wing to 247 right wing.

But then I'm never sure about Plaid Cymru, I don't pay enough attention to them.

by **Divair2** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:20 am

Marcurix wrote:
Divair2 wrote:21% + 18% > 30%

Although if one takes all the right wing parties (Conservatives and UKIP) and totals their votes against all the left wing parties while discounting the other vote it goes to 347 left wing to 247 right wing.

But then I'm never sure about Plaid Cymru, I don't pay enough attention to them.

Surely you're not counting the LibDems as leftist.

by **Alyakia** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:21 am

Marcurix wrote:
Divair2 wrote:21% + 18% > 30%

Although if one takes all the right wing parties (Conservatives and UKIP) and totals their votes against all the left wing parties while discounting the other vote it goes to 347 left wing to 247 right wing.

But then I'm never sure about Plaid Cymru, I don't pay enough attention to them.

Surely you're not counting Labour as leftist.

by **Marcurix** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:22 am

Divair2 wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Although if one takes all the right wing parties (Conservatives and UKIP) and totals their votes against all the left wing parties while discounting the other vote it goes to 347 left wing to 247 right wing.

But then I'm never sure about Plaid Cymru, I don't pay enough attention to them.

Surely you're not counting the LibDems as leftist.

That is their general spectrum on the scale, often more so than labour.

by **Marcurix** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:23 am

Alyakia wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Although if one takes all the right wing parties (Conservatives and UKIP) and totals their votes against all the left wing parties while discounting the other vote it goes to 347 left wing to 247 right wing.

But then I'm never sure about Plaid Cymru, I don't pay enough attention to them.

Surely you're not counting Labour as leftist.

I can't win, can I?

by **Alyakia** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:23 am

Marcurix wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Surely you're not counting the LibDems as leftist.

That is their general spectrum on the scale, often more so than labour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange ... Liberalism

by **Divair2** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:23 am

Marcurix wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Surely you're not counting the LibDems as leftist.

That is their general spectrum on the scale, often more so than labour.

They're centrist on paper, let alone in practice. Calling them leftist would be severely redefining our spectrum.

by **Alyakia** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:25 am

Marcurix wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
Surely you're not counting Labour as leftist.

I can't win, can I?

no

viewtopic.php?p=19467235#p19467235

best part is i can use your own posts against you, lol

by **Estormo** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:29 am

Divair2 wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Although if one takes all the right wing parties (Conservatives and UKIP) and totals their votes against all the left wing parties while discounting the other vote it goes to 347 left wing to 247 right wing.

But then I'm never sure about Plaid Cymru, I don't pay enough attention to them.

Surely you're not counting the LibDems as leftist.

More left than right.

by **Alyakia** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:31 am

Estormo wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Surely you're not counting the LibDems as leftist.

More left than right.

go on

by **Divair2** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:31 am

Estormo wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Surely you're not counting the LibDems as leftist.

More left than right.

>LibDems
>Left

You have no clue what you're talking about.

by **Estormo** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:32 am

Alyakia wrote:
Estormo wrote:More left than right.

go on

It is more of a left wing party. What the hell do you want me to say?

by **Estormo** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:33 am

Divair2 wrote:
Estormo wrote:More left than right.

>LibDems
>Left

You have no clue what you're talking about.

They range from Radical Centre to Centre left.

by **Divair2** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:33 am

Estormo wrote:
Divair2 wrote:>LibDems
>Left

You have no clue what you're talking about.

They range from Radical Centre to Centre left.

>LibDems
>Center left
lol
just lol

by **Alyakia** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:35 am

Estormo wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
go on

It is more of a left wing party. What the hell do you want me to say?

which policies make them left-wing? preferably focusing on their policies and leadership, not a bunch of people low on the totem pole who got shafted once clegg actually got "in".

i can pretty much guarantee you right now that half their left-wing policies can be entirely justified from a right-wing perspective, making it rather questionable as to whether they are really "left-wing"

by **Marcurix** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:14 am

Alyakia wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
I can't win, can I?

no

viewtopic.php?p=19467235#p19467235

best part is i can use your own posts against you, lol

Fine, no one gets to be left wing. I hope you're happy.

Seriously though I'll come back to this after I get more sleep.

by **Estormo** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:40 am

Divair2 wrote:
Estormo wrote:They range from Radical Centre to Centre left.

>LibDems
>Center left
lol
just lol

It’s the truth, whether you like it or not.

by **Estormo** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:42 am

Alyakia wrote:
Estormo wrote:It is more of a left wing party. What the hell do you want me to say?

which policies make them left-wing? preferably focusing on their policies and leadership, not a bunch of people low on the totem pole who got shafted once clegg actually got "in".

i can pretty much guarantee you right now that half their left-wing policies can be entirely justified from a right-wing perspective, making it rather questionable as to whether they are really "left-wing"

They are Radical-Centre to Centre-Left. Right-wing doesn’t come into it.

by **Alyakia** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:45 am

Estormo wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
which policies make them left-wing? preferably focusing on their policies and leadership, not a bunch of people low on the totem pole who got shafted once clegg actually got "in".

i can pretty much guarantee you right now that half their left-wing policies can be entirely justified from a right-wing perspective, making it rather questionable as to whether they are really "left-wing"

They are Radical-Centre to Centre-Left. Right-wing doesn’t come into it.

you know what i'm actually just going to repeat my question in the hopes you actually answer it this time

which policies make them left-wing? preferably focusing on their policies and leadership, not a bunch of people low on the totem pole who got shafted once clegg actually got "in".

or centre-left/~~*radical-centre*~~ if you prefer

by **Shove Piggy Shove** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:48 am

Estormo wrote:
Alyakia wrote:
which policies make them left-wing? preferably focusing on their policies and leadership, not a bunch of people low on the totem pole who got shafted once clegg actually got "in".

i can pretty much guarantee you right now that half their left-wing policies can be entirely justified from a right-wing perspective, making it rather questionable as to whether they are really "left-wing"

They are Radical-Centre to Centre-Left. Right-wing doesn’t come into it.

They're left of the Tories, it doesn't make them left wing:

Perhaps if you were to explain why you think they are left wing, rather than just stating it without any corroboration, then that might help too.

by **Estormo** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:49 am

Alyakia wrote:
Estormo wrote:They are Radical-Centre to Centre-Left. Right-wing doesn’t come into it.

you know what i'm actually just going to repeat my question in the hopes you actually answer it this time

which policies make them left-wing? preferably focusing on their policies and leadership, not a bunch of people low on the totem pole who got shafted once clegg actually got "in".

or centre-left/~~*radical-centre*~~ if you prefer

http://www.libdems.org.uk/constitution

by **Divair2** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:50 am

Estormo wrote:
Divair2 wrote:>LibDems
>Center left
lol
just lol

It’s the truth, whether you like it or not.

You've provided no evidence to back your claims, and you're not British. Try harder.

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