Philippines Discussion Thread

[Victoriala II]

True, the Aquino administration saw massive economic improvement. Which is being thrown out in favor of violent anarchy and mass murder in the streets in the name of fighting drugs.

Don't forget geo-political stupidity.

War never chsnges

[Geilinor]

Actually under the Aquino administration, the trend reversed, but that seems to be ending now, what with the devaluation of the peso and capital investment flight.

True, the Aquino administration saw massive economic improvement. Which is being thrown out in favor of violent anarchy and mass murder in the streets in the name of fighting drugs.

Aquino seemed unpopular on this thread for some reason. The economic growth and improving foreign relations, working against China's claims in the South China Sea deserve credit.

[Yugoslav Memes]

working against China's claims in the South China Sea deserve credit.

the exact reason why he did not

[Connori Pilgrims]

Aquino seemed unpopular on this thread for some reason. The economic growth and improving foreign relations, working against China's claims in the South China Sea deserve credit.

He's "unpopular" because for some of the denizens of this thread his positives are outweighed by his negatives, chiefly that he had shown himself to be insensitive to peoples' suffering (due to the lackluster to incompetent handling of several crises such as a hostage situation in the beginning of his term, Typhoon Haiyan's reconstruction and relief effort, and most recently the Mamasapano incident with the Moro rebels), his stubborn defense of allied politicians and officials accused of graft, even if the evidence against them seems solid, and a perception that he was in the end not above shady money practices (the infamous DAP program where savings from govt programs get repurposed for other shit).

working against China's claims in the South China Sea deserve credit.

the exact reason why he did not

Did not what?

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

True, the Aquino administration saw massive economic improvement. Which is being thrown out in favor of violent anarchy and mass murder in the streets in the name of fighting drugs.

Aquino seemed unpopular on this thread for some reason. The economic growth and improving foreign relations, working against China's claims in the South China Sea deserve credit.

Well, like the Americans, we suffer from what's called the: Don't Appreciate it till it's gone Syndrome. Essentially the same syndrome America will experience after Trump becomes President.

[Novus America]

Aquino seemed unpopular on this thread for some reason. The economic growth and improving foreign relations, working against China's claims in the South China Sea deserve credit.

He's "unpopular" because for some of the denizens of this thread his positives are outweighed by his negatives, chiefly that he had shown himself to be insensitive to peoples' suffering (due to the lackluster to incompetent handling of several crises such as a hostage situation in the beginning of his term, Typhoon Haiyan's reconstruction and relief effort, and most recently the Mamasapano incident with the Moro rebels), his stubborn defense of allied politicians and officials accused of graft, even if the evidence against them seems solid, and a perception that he was in the end not above shady money practices (the infamous DAP program where savings from govt programs get repurposed for other shit).

the exact reason why he did not

Did not what?

Nobody said Aquino was perfect, far from it. But things were better for the Philippines under him then they are now. In no way have they gotten better.

[Novus America]

Aquino seemed unpopular on this thread for some reason. The economic growth and improving foreign relations, working against China's claims in the South China Sea deserve credit.

Well, like the Americans, we suffer from what's called the: Don't Appreciate it till it's gone Syndrome. Essentially the same syndrome America will experience after Trump becomes President.

Trump is not going to win. The nature of the US electoral system leaves him too high a hurdle. If he new how to run a campaign he could overcome it. But he does not, every time he gets some momentum he throws it away by doing something idiotic.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Well, like the Americans, we suffer from what's called the: Don't Appreciate it till it's gone Syndrome. Essentially the same syndrome America will experience after Trump becomes President.

Trump is not going to win. The nature of the US electoral system leaves him too high a hurdle. If he new how to run a campaign he could overcome it. But he does not, every time he gets some momentum he throws it away by doing something idiotic.

Well you say that, but just a few days ago they were neck and neck, so...

[Novus America]

Trump is not going to win. The nature of the US electoral system leaves him too high a hurdle. If he new how to run a campaign he could overcome it. But he does not, every time he gets some momentum he throws it away by doing something idiotic.

Well you say that, but just a few days ago they were neck and neck, so...

US presidential elections are not based on the total popular vote. So neck and neck in the polls nation wide means nothing if the electoral map is against you.

[Kubra]

I suspect it will go the same way it has always gone: nowhere.

The NPA is truly deluded if they think that they can push the most extreme visions of land reform via the peace deal. For one the NPA is in a far worse shape than say, FARC, in terms of relative bargaining power or popularity (4K active NPAs and ~4M supporters as can be extrapolated from the performance of their party-lists in past elections is woefully insufficient). Secondly, their ideas for land reform have not really changed in the last 30+ years, while the landscape and the outlook for farming both inside and outside the Philippines have.

Well, DAR ordered the distribution of land from Hacidenda Luisita two months back. Whoopdie-fucking-doo. Lets see if that actually happens. Even then, I believe Duterte's Land Reform is not top in his priorities, compared to say the drug war or kissing up to China (who BTW will probably end up buying huge tracts of Philippine land for large-scale agribusiness and mining).

Any land reform program is doomed without addressing the fundamental fact that the Philippines' agriculture has, on the whole, become thoroughly uncompetitive due to among other things a lack of technological and logistical support for the farmers, many of whom are too poor, unmotivated and disorganized to become competitive on their own. Farming as a sector has also become passe, old hat and even downright pitiable in the minds of many youth, with less and less people desiring to become farmers. Why do land reform when they will just sell their land to become something else because they don't see a future in it?

If land reform is to be successful, the farmers need technology and equipment. Not handouts, but an honest to goodness sector strategy where the government (ideally with peoples' concurrence) has a clear idea of what they want to happen with agriculture. Otherwise you may as well let the oligarchs sell their lands to China (who'd give a better price than gov't in any case).

This is support of my postulation that the Philippines as a whole is not fit for agriculture for one more practical reason aside from the anomalies of labor, we don't have enough land for that sort of thing. Plus, being heavily influenced by the raging climates and being one of the main countries at the mercy lf climate change, we are not a viable location for the production of food stuffs hence eliminating significant digits from our agricultural competitiveness index. Manufacturing is our best way to go if we want inclusive national development.

Agriculture ain't a matter of fitness, it's a matter of not starving when there are shortages on the world market. Everybody has to do it. Has to.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

This is support of my postulation that the Philippines as a whole is not fit for agriculture for one more practical reason aside from the anomalies of labor, we don't have enough land for that sort of thing. Plus, being heavily influenced by the raging climates and being one of the main countries at the mercy lf climate change, we are not a viable location for the production of food stuffs hence eliminating significant digits from our agricultural competitiveness index. Manufacturing is our best way to go if we want inclusive national development.

Agriculture ain't a matter of fitness, it's a matter of not starving when there are shortages on the world market. Everybody has to do it. Has to.

Well... No offense or anything, but agriculture can be developed with less and less people, I mean only about 4% of the total population of The States is employed in agriculture and they produce more food than pretty much all of Africa combined, the aim for us right now, is to understand that agricultural technological advancements will make agriculture a less viable industry to provide the bulk of employment to our citizens and to simply replace the current agriculture based economy we have with a more manufacturing and service oriented economy.

[Kubra]

Agriculture ain't a matter of fitness, it's a matter of not starving when there are shortages on the world market. Everybody has to do it. Has to.

Well... No offense or anything, but agriculture can be developed with less and less people, I mean only about 4% of the total population of The States is employed in agriculture and they produce more food than pretty much all of Africa combined, the aim for us right now, is to understand that agricultural technological advancements will make agriculture a less viable industry to provide the bulk of employment to our citizens and to simply replace the current agriculture based economy we have with a more manufacturing and service oriented economy.

Sure, less and less people, but not exactly less and less capital investment, and there ain't room for a decreasing total agricultural production.

[Asigna]

Agriculture ain't a matter of fitness, it's a matter of not starving when there are shortages on the world market. Everybody has to do it. Has to.

Well... No offense or anything, but agriculture can be developed with less and less people, I mean only about 4% of the total population of The States is employed in agriculture and they produce more food than pretty much all of Africa combined, the aim for us right now, is to understand that agricultural technological advancements will make agriculture a less viable industry to provide the bulk of employment to our citizens and to simply replace the current agriculture based economy we have with a more manufacturing and service oriented economy.

Yes, indeed. Agriculture cannot be the sole priority of the government, it has to recognize that in the changing times, more and more viable and lucrative ways of gaining the necessary inflows of cash into the nation exist such as manufacturing and services based on our local manufacturing industry rather than simply a result of companies looking for cheap places to outsource their services.

But Kubra has a point, this country also needs food security. This can be achieved by promoting technologies that can enable us to produce more per capita or increase the productivity of land per square meter (or kilometer for macro measures sake) without the need to convert precious wildlife reserves into farmland. This can be achieved by technologies such as GMOs or simply advocating the public sector of science as a whole. We need to think outside the box. Sadly, there are certain reactionary forces that need some convincing and enlightenment for them to approve the GMOs are our future because these certain... forces are really powerful (*cough* church *cough*) and are lobbying the government to nearly EVERY single reform needed for inclusive national development. We can't blame them, for we cannot blame the person who is afraid of fire (out of his rudimentary generalization that fire causes destruction and nothing else) for his fear, we simply need to compassionately reach out to these people and enlighten them that fire can be used for the good if used properly.

[Victoriala II]

Well... No offense or anything, but agriculture can be developed with less and less people, I mean only about 4% of the total population of The States is employed in agriculture and they produce more food than pretty much all of Africa combined, the aim for us right now, is to understand that agricultural technological advancements will make agriculture a less viable industry to provide the bulk of employment to our citizens and to simply replace the current agriculture based economy we have with a more manufacturing and service oriented economy.

Yes, indeed. Agriculture cannot be the sole priority of the government, it has to recognize that in the changing times, more and more viable and lucrative ways of gaining the necessary inflows of cash into the nation exist such as manufacturing and services based on our local manufacturing industry rather than simply a result of companies looking for cheap places to outsource their services.

But Kubra has a point, this country also needs food security. This can be achieved by promoting technologies that can enable us to produce more per capita or increase the productivity of land per square meter (or kilometer for macro measures sake) without the need to convert precious wildlife reserves into farmland. This can be achieved by technologies such as GMOs or simply advocating the public sector of science as a whole. We need to think outside the box. Sadly, there are certain reactionary forces that need some convincing and enlightenment for them to approve the GMOs are our future because these certain... forces are really powerful (*cough* church *cough*) and are lobbying the government to nearly EVERY single reform needed for inclusive national development. We can't blame them, for we cannot blame the person who is afraid of fire (out of his rudimentary generalization that fire causes destruction and nothing else) for his fear, we simply need to compassionately reach out to these people and enlighten them that fire can be used for the good if used properly.

>reactionary forces that need some convincing

An unstoppable force meets an immovable object

[Asigna]

Yes, indeed. Agriculture cannot be the sole priority of the government, it has to recognize that in the changing times, more and more viable and lucrative ways of gaining the necessary inflows of cash into the nation exist such as manufacturing and services based on our local manufacturing industry rather than simply a result of companies looking for cheap places to outsource their services.

But Kubra has a point, this country also needs food security. This can be achieved by promoting technologies that can enable us to produce more per capita or increase the productivity of land per square meter (or kilometer for macro measures sake) without the need to convert precious wildlife reserves into farmland. This can be achieved by technologies such as GMOs or simply advocating the public sector of science as a whole. We need to think outside the box. Sadly, there are certain reactionary forces that need some convincing and enlightenment for them to approve the GMOs are our future because these certain... forces are really powerful (*cough* church *cough*) and are lobbying the government to nearly EVERY single reform needed for inclusive national development. We can't blame them, for we cannot blame the person who is afraid of fire (out of his rudimentary generalization that fire causes destruction and nothing else) for his fear, we simply need to compassionately reach out to these people and enlighten them that fire can be used for the good if used properly.

>reactionary forces that need some convincing

An unstoppable force meets an immovable object

The inhumane option is always on the table for these forces. Just round them up and have them.... dealt with.... and just proclaim them as nanlaban, but of course, that would set a bad precedent for history.

[Novus America]

Agriculture ain't a matter of fitness, it's a matter of not starving when there are shortages on the world market. Everybody has to do it. Has to.

Well... No offense or anything, but agriculture can be developed with less and less people, I mean only about 4% of the total population of The States is employed in agriculture and they produce more food than pretty much all of Africa combined, the aim for us right now, is to understand that agricultural technological advancements will make agriculture a less viable industry to provide the bulk of employment to our citizens and to simply replace the current agriculture based economy we have with a more manufacturing and service oriented economy.

Yes, but that of farming might not be possible to reproduce in the Philippines. It still uses vast amounts of good, flat, open farmland. Mechanized factory farms sprawling across hundreds of miles do not need much labor, but do need land. And things like combine harvesters do not work very well on hills. The US has a low population density. The Philippines is getting overcrowded, overpopulation is a problem for the Philippines, not the US.

[Victoriala II]

>reactionary forces that need some convincing

An unstoppable force meets an immovable object

The inhumane option is always on the table for these forces. Just round them up and have them.... dealt with.... and just proclaim them as nanlaban, but of course, that would set a bad precedent for history.

It already did

Ever seen american cops do the same on black kids

[Asigna]

I lolled.

[The Gamindustrian Union]

With Duterte's ranting against cutting of ties with the USA, ranting against EU and having China and Russia be the Philippines' allies, due to a [most likely] pro-US military (and [probably] populace) and OFW workers in the West, it's likely he might eventually be put at shāh māt (checkmate in Farsi, where it originated).

As a pro-West guy, I hope to see this.

[Asigna]

With Duterte's ranting against cutting of ties with the USA, ranting against EU and having China and Russia be the Philippines' allies, due to a [most likely] pro-US military (and [probably] populace) and OFW workers in the West, it's likely he might eventually be put at shāh māt (checkmate in Farsi, where it originated).

As a pro-West guy, I hope to see this.

However, for the sake of stability, formality and continuity, it is imperative his term must last from start to finish. Any informal interruption whether through revolution, coup or whatever method without due process or formality will outline the weakness of our public infrastructure and would set out a bad image to potential investors. We will have a post EDSA pull out in our hands. So no.

No matter how much his mouth is caustic, we have to cut him some slack on our violent wishes. And Leni better get her economic plans ready to present an image of stability and certainty on the economic sphere.

[The Gamindustrian Union]

With Duterte's ranting against cutting of ties with the USA, ranting against EU and having China and Russia be the Philippines' allies, due to a [most likely] pro-US military (and [probably] populace) and OFW workers in the West, it's likely he might eventually be put at shāh māt (checkmate in Farsi, where it originated).

As a pro-West guy, I hope to see this.

However, for the sake of stability, formality and continuity, it is imperative his term must last from start to finish. Any informal interruption whether through revolution, coup or whatever method without due process or formality will outline the weakness of our public infrastructure and would set out a bad image to potential investors. We will have a post EDSA pull out in our hands. So no.

No matter how much his mouth is caustic, we have to cut him some slack on our violent wishes. And Leni better get her economic plans ready to present an image of stability and certainty on the economic sphere.

I suppose.

But how can we remain allied with the USA at this rate, if Duterte, through his whims and hissy fits, wishes to make the country defect to China?

[Pranovia]

*sigh* this president is getting weirder by the day......

[Pranovia]

P..s: Any RoMee(RodyXImee) shippers here?

I imagine them as a Gangster X Princess couple....

[Victoriala II]

P..s: Any RoMee(RodyXImee) shippers here?

I imagine them as a Gangster X Princess couple....

stop

[Pranovia]

P..s: Any RoMee(RodyXImee) shippers here?

I imagine them as a Gangster X Princess couple....

stop

NO.

Hahaha infact I just announced on Reddit that I will start the book soon: https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/co ... _governor/