Philippines Discussion Thread

[Golgothium]

Same too does our economy but by 10,000%...

10,000?

Sigh... Hold you're breath he is a nazi sympathiser...

Asigna is not nazi or fascist -

sympathizer.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Same too does our economy but by 10,000%...

10,000?

Sigh... Hold you're breath he is a nazi sympathiser...

Asigna is not nazi or fascist -

He has very similar views to you, a Nazi...
And yes 10,000% I'm not about to allow another idiot declare s rule of law that will destroy the economy again...

[Neo Philippine Empire]

10,000?

Asigna is not nazi or fascist -

He has very similar views to you, a Nazi...
And yes 10,000% I'm not about to allow another idiot declare s rule of law that will destroy the economy again...

And why would you think that he would declare Marshall law just after he became President? Politics is not like that

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

He has very similar views to you, a Nazi...
And yes 10,000% I'm not about to allow another idiot declare s rule of law that will destroy the economy again...

And why would you think that he would declare Marshall law just after he became President? Politics is not like that

Uh huh, his words are his words...

[Golgothium]

He has very similar views to you, a Nazi...
And yes 10,000% I'm not about to allow another idiot declare s rule of law that will destroy the economy again...

And why would you think that he would declare Marshall law just after he became President? Politics is not like that

Just become someone is vigilante or cracks down on crime doesn't mean he's going to be a good head-of-state. Politics isn't like that either.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

And why would you think that he would declare Marshall law just after he became President? Politics is not like that

Uh huh, his words are his words...

Words are just simple, when he say he would declare Marshall Law does not mean he could do it right away
And he would be smart enough not to do it or he would be overthrown in the first day in the office

[Neo Philippine Empire]

And why would you think that he would declare Marshall law just after he became President? Politics is not like that

Just become someone is vigilante or cracks down on crime doesn't mean he's going to be a good head-of-state. Politics isn't like that either.

Then see what's in Davao, it is clearly different than the provinces because of its mayor which is very good

[Golgothium]

Uh huh, his words are his words...

Words are just simple, when he say he would declare Marshall Law does not mean he could do it right away
And he would be smart enough not to do it or he would be overthrown in the first day in the office

Because anyone who just tosses "martial law" around lightly probably isn't in the right state of mind to be running for president.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

10,000?

Asigna is not nazi or fascist -

He has very similar views to you, a Nazi...

Oh did I not tell you? I am not a Nazi anymore

Words are just simple, when he say he would declare Marshall Law does not mean he could do it right away
And he would be smart enough not to do it or he would be overthrown in the first day in the office

Because anyone who just tosses "martial law" around lightly probably isn't in the right state of mind to be running for president.

Oh, you are just basing by his words but not in his actions

[Golgothium]

Oh, you are just basing by his words but not in his actions

His words give away a lot about his soundness of mind, or lack thereof. Typical that people should find the "strongman" type attractive, but there are many cons to that too.

Also relevant.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

Oh, you are just basing by his words but not in his actions

His words give away a lot about his soundness of mind, or lack thereof. Typical that people should find the "strongman" type attractive, but there are many cons to that too.

Also relevant.

Those decisions benefit the Filipino people

[Asigna]

Oh, you are just basing by his words but not in his actions

His words give away a lot about his soundness of mind, or lack thereof. Typical that people should find the "strongman" type attractive, but there are many cons to that too.

Also relevant.

Choose between the order that exists in Davao city between the crime rate of Manila. Choose one. And you are calling Duterte unfit to be mayor.

What have the other mayors done to surpass the competence of Rodrigo Duterte?

[Golgothium]

His words give away a lot about his soundness of mind, or lack thereof. Typical that people should find the "strongman" type attractive, but there are many cons to that too.

Also relevant.

Those decisions benefit the Filipino people

How? By setting an example that says impunity and vigilantism are alright? That shortcuts around the law are cool? That making death threats is okay?

I hope you're kidding.

[Golgothium]

His words give away a lot about his soundness of mind, or lack thereof. Typical that people should find the "strongman" type attractive, but there are many cons to that too.

Also relevant.

Choose between the order that exists in Davao city between the crime rate of Manila. Choose one. And you are calling Duterte unfit to be mayor.

What have the other mayors done to surpass the competence of Rodrigo Duterte?

Illogical. Simply copping out and saying "he's the best we've got" when we all know his track record too is just as irresponsible.

[Asigna]

Illogical. Simply copping out and saying "he's the best we've got" when we all know his track record too is just as irresponsible.

Oh...the fact you are saying Duterte is irresponsible sounds as if you are telling all of us around here leaving a crime infested city as it is a responsible thing to do. Off with you elites!

[Neo Philippine Empire]

Those decisions benefit the Filipino people

How? By setting an example that says impunity and vigilantism are alright? That shortcuts around the law are cool? That making death threats is okay?

I hope you're kidding.

Of course! If they don't die, those bastards would come back again stronger and more corrupt

[Neo Philippine Empire]

Choose between the order that exists in Davao city between the crime rate of Manila. Choose one. And you are calling Duterte unfit to be mayor.

What have the other mayors done to surpass the competence of Rodrigo Duterte?

Illogical. Simply copping out and saying "he's the best we've got" when we all know his track record too is just as irresponsible.

You are dodging Asigna's question

[Asigna]

10,000?

Asigna is not nazi or fascist -

sympathizer.

Again...let me repeat. I AM A SUBJECTIVE NATIONAL PROGRESSIVIST!

[Golgothium]

Illogical. Simply copping out and saying "he's the best we've got" when we all know his track record too is just as irresponsible.

Oh...the fact you are saying Duterte is irresponsible sounds as if you are telling all of us around here leaving a crime infested city as it is a responsible thing to do. Off with you elites!

I don't think you're seeing the logic here. While varying in degree, what sets Duterte apart from Duncan Hunter who said that the US ought to use tactical nuclear weapons to pacify Iran? It's uncivilized and indicative of poor character that leaders should exhibit such distasteful behavior.

Writing me off as an elite isn't a very good show of your character either.

In 2001-2002, Duterte would announce the names of “criminals” on local television and radio – and some of those he named would later become death squad victims. No one has been successfully prosecuted for any of these murders. In the meantime, the killings continue.

You are dodging Asigna's question

I'm not. Metro Manila's the anus of the country I'll agree to that, but that doesn't justify electing a vigilante who'd rather just send death squads on hoodlums than run them through the process the constitution and state supposedly upholds for its citizens.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

sympathizer.

Again...let me repeat. I AM A SUBJECTIVE NATIONAL PROGRESSIVIST!

And I just became like that too

[Asigna]

I don't think you're seeing the logic here. While varying in degree, what sets Duterte apart from Duncan Hunter who said that the US ought to use tactical nuclear weapons to pacify Iran?

The measures it takes to solve a problem depends on the scenario. On the problem it takes to eliminate criminals who are as chronic as the situation we have now, it needs force. Iran being a trouble maker is debatable, but criminals are surely trouble makers, it doesn't have to be the incompetent paper working cowards at the senate or the or the NBI or the supreme court to know one.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

[Golgothium]

I don't think you're seeing the logic here. While varying in degree, what sets Duterte apart from Duncan Hunter who said that the US ought to use tactical nuclear weapons to pacify Iran?

The measures it takes to solve a problem depends on the scenario. On the problem it takes to eliminate criminals who are as chronic as the situation we have now, it needs force. Iran being a trouble maker is debatable, but criminals are surely trouble makers, it doesn't have to be the incompetent paper working cowards at the senate or the or the NBI or the supreme court to know one.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Besides blasting the NBI or the justice system (not like I'm a big fan of them either), the laws of this country clearly state that every citizen deserves fair trial and is presumed innocent until proven guilty in court. (since you've mentioned the Senate) That the Senate has chosen to remain silent means that they're to an extent sympathetic or condone his behavior and his going around the rule of law, which is tragic considering their position and responsibility to all citizens of the state, including criminals. Yes you're right, the system is corrupt, but the values that Duterte espouses will lead to anarchy and vigilantism.

I will respect your opinion on this, but I am also staying with mine. The 1987 constitution is flawed and arguments may be made that it favors the oligarchy (to an extent of which I agree), but Duterte flies in the face of the idea that the republic should stand for a free, democratic, egalitarian society where all are protected by rule of law. If you roll in a different way then that's cool; that's your thing. But if he becomes president (he himself has shrugged off calls for that, despite there being even less qualified people in the government now - which I respect him for), I'm getting on the first plane back to Chile.

EDIT: In favor of death penalty. But only after they've stood trial.

[Asigna]

The measures it takes to solve a problem depends on the scenario. On the problem it takes to eliminate criminals who are as chronic as the situation we have now, it needs force. Iran being a trouble maker is debatable, but criminals are surely trouble makers, it doesn't have to be the incompetent paper working cowards at the senate or the or the NBI or the supreme court to know one.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Besides blasting the NBI or the justice system (not like I'm a big fan of them either), the laws of this country clearly state that every citizen deserves fair trial and is presumed innocent until proven guilty in court. (since you've mentioned the Senate) That the Senate has chosen to remain silent means that they're to an extent sympathetic or condone his behavior and his going around the rule of law, which is tragic considering their position and responsibility to all citizens of the state, including criminals. Yes you're right, the system is corrupt, but the values that Duterte espouses will lead to anarchy and vigilantism.

I will respect your opinion on this, but I am also staying with mine. The 1987 constitution is flawed and arguments may be made that it favors the oligarchy (to an extent of which I agree), but Duterte flies in the face of the idea that the republic should stand for a free, democratic, egalitarian society where all are protected by rule of law. If you roll in a different way then that's cool; that's your thing. But if he becomes president (he himself has shrugged off calls for that, despite there being even less qualified people in the government now - which I respect him for), I'm getting on the first plane back to Chile.

EDIT: In favor of death penalty. But only after they've stood trial.

That's the spirit of justice.

[Connori Pilgrims]

His words give away a lot about his soundness of mind, or lack thereof. Typical that people should find the "strongman" type attractive, but there are many cons to that too.

Also relevant.

Those decisions benefit the Filipino people

After going through plenty of studies and discussions on the socio-political fabric of this country, I've come to the conclusion that the peoples of the Philippines are by and large given over to demagoguery which leads to a depressingly large number of naive people unquestioningly rallying behind charismatic (preferably macho) figures who promise them what they want.So no surprise that so many admire Duterte, or Erap or that maligno Binay and thus people like them keep getting elected; as well as the really, really disturbing celebrity worship I've noticed.

We can blame the lack of a coherent political & institutional tradition for that (which would've led to us putting more faith in systems rather than personalities), as well as the four centuries of parochial patronist Catholic indoctrination that has effectively neutered any critical thought outside the fences of Diliman, Katipunan Avenue and Taft Avenue.

[Asigna]

Those decisions benefit the Filipino people

After going through plenty of studies and discussions on the socio-political fabric of this country, I've come to the conclusion that the peoples of the Philippines are by and large given over to demagoguery which leads to a depressingly large number of naive people unquestioningly rallying behind charismatic (preferably macho) figures who promise them what they want.So no surprise that so many admire Duterte, or Erap or that maligno Binay and thus people like them keep getting elected; as well as the really, really disturbing celebrity worship I've noticed.

We can blame the lack of a coherent political & institutional tradition for that (which would've led to us putting more faith in systems rather than personalities), as well as the four centuries of parochial patronist Catholic indoctrination that has effectively neutered any critical thought outside the fences of Diliman, Katipunan Avenue and Taft Avenue.

You forgot Ateneo. You dare.