Philippines Discussion Thread

[Gigaverse]

Kick out which Chinese? The actual Chinese or the Chinese that truly can't speak Chinese very well even when tortured?

In today's time, Nationalist Filipinos tend to point that the Chinese are not limited to the people in mainland China and Taiwan but are also those Filipinos with significant Chinese traits or the so-called "tsinoys". One of them is the corrupt president turned dictator Ferdinand Marcos. They are often blamed for the existence of corruption comitted without remorse to what it may do to the Filipino people.

"They do not feel remorse for Filipinos because they are not Filipinos." That's what they sometimes say.

Do Filipinos joke about Chinese "goods"?

[Asigna]

Do Filipinos joke about Chinese "goods"?

Even better, many of us call for the complete and total boycott of all imports from China.

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Do Filipinos joke about Chinese "goods"?

Even better, many of us call for the complete and total boycott of all imports from China.

Bad idea, especially considering that they make everything!

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

The economy is doing rather well, all we have to do is kick out the Chinese, build more power plants, strengthen our infrastructure and increase the building standards for the private sector, then boom. We'll be bonefied member of the elite economies of the World. (Also reintroduce the death penalty once corruption in the judiciary is solved)

Kick out which Chinese? The actual Chinese or the Chinese that truly can't speak Chinese very well even when tortured?

I don't regard Chinese immigrants as Chinese anymore, I'm talking about the military men on their boats pointing their guns at us.

[Asigna]

Bad idea, especially considering that they make everything!

Everything invented by America and other states is manufactured by China. I wonder why licensing or intellectual property rights still hasn't intervened.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Even better, many of us call for the complete and total boycott of all imports from China.

Bad idea, especially considering that they make everything!

Not to worry, trade with China from the Philippines is only a $6-7 billion dollar industry, them being the greater loser of-course, besides a black market for those goods would occur anyway and in a sense we would be still trading with China without trading with China.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Bad idea, especially considering that they make everything!

Everything invented by America and other states is manufactured by China. I wonder why licensing or intellectual property rights still hasn't intervened.

Because when you intervene in a state that boasts a seventh of the whole population of the planet within its borders, you tend to create detrimental Global economic issues.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

In today's time, Nationalist Filipinos tend to point that the Chinese are not limited to the people in mainland China and Taiwan but are also those Filipinos with significant Chinese traits or the so-called "tsinoys". One of them is the corrupt president turned dictator Ferdinand Marcos. They are often blamed for the existence of corruption comitted without remorse to what it may do to the Filipino people.

"They do not feel remorse for Filipinos because they are not Filipinos." That's what they sometimes say.

Do Filipinos joke about Chinese "goods"?

Quite a bit, but they're still pretty cheap. Here in New Zealand, the Government has been growing it's anti Chinese phase at the moment especially after the latest cyber attacks to our industries mostly confirmed to have originated from China, the population is even beginning to think about limiting the immigration of Asians, but more particularly, Chinese. Every party has a majority for this move but the Prime Minister is still rather cautious.

[Vedria]

Do Filipinos joke about Chinese "goods"?

Even better, many of us call for the complete and total boycott of all imports from China.

Ah yes. I'd like that.

[Luzvimindia]

Kick out which Chinese? The actual Chinese or the Chinese that truly can't speak Chinese very well even when tortured?

In today's time, Nationalist Filipinos tend to point that the Chinese are not limited to the people in mainland China and Taiwan but are also those Filipinos with significant Chinese traits or the so-called "tsinoys". One of them is the corrupt president turned dictator Ferdinand Marcos. They are often blamed for the existence of corruption comitted without remorse to what it may do to the Filipino people.

"They do not feel remorse for Filipinos because they are not Filipinos." That's what they sometimes say.

I think only ultra-nationalists will discriminate in that way. True nationalist Filipinos will look beyond the family lineage of their compatriots and look deeper at what his/her compatriot truly believes in. Quite a number of Chinese-Filipinos fully support and are willing to lay down their life for the country they grew up in.

Besides if you really want to kick out the Chinese following these criteria then you're basically kicking out almost 15-30% of the population (~15-30 million Filipinos). Most Filipinos still have anywhere between 1/8 (great-grandchildren) to 1/2 (children) Chinese descent. And Chinese-Filipinos are well represented throughout society. Think about it. You're basically kicking out people like the Gokongweis, Lucio Tan, Lito and Kim Atienza, the Sys, the Angs, Jose Mari Chan and the list goes on and on.

[Benshir]

You're basically kicking out people like the Gokongweis, Lucio Tan, Lito and Kim Atienza, the Sys, the Angs, Jose Mari Chan and the list goes on and on.

Exactly. And with them their assets and holdings will go as well. Both big business and smaller ones rub by the Chinese community would close down. The economy would crash.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

In today's time, Nationalist Filipinos tend to point that the Chinese are not limited to the people in mainland China and Taiwan but are also those Filipinos with significant Chinese traits or the so-called "tsinoys". One of them is the corrupt president turned dictator Ferdinand Marcos. They are often blamed for the existence of corruption comitted without remorse to what it may do to the Filipino people.

"They do not feel remorse for Filipinos because they are not Filipinos." That's what they sometimes say.

I think only ultra-nationalists will discriminate in that way. True nationalist Filipinos will look beyond the family lineage of their compatriots and look deeper at what his/her compatriot truly believes in. Quite a number of Chinese-Filipinos fully support and are willing to lay down their life for the country they grew up in.

Besides if you really want to kick out the Chinese following these criteria then you're basically kicking out almost 15-30% of the population (~15-30 million Filipinos). Most Filipinos still have anywhere between 1/8 (great-grandchildren) to 1/2 (children) Chinese descent. And Chinese-Filipinos are well represented throughout society. Think about it. You're basically kicking out people like the Gokongweis, Lucio Tan, Lito and Kim Atienza, the Sys, the Angs, Jose Mari Chan and the list goes on and on.

Indeed, I believe in the saying, if where you were born is a mystery, then where you grew up is your history.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

You're basically kicking out people like the Gokongweis, Lucio Tan, Lito and Kim Atienza, the Sys, the Angs, Jose Mari Chan and the list goes on and on.

Exactly. And with them their assets and holdings will go as well. Both big business and smaller ones rub by the Chinese community would close down. The economy would crash.

Maybe if we can somehow screw with the Lopezes instead of big Filipino- Chinese families, it'll give us chance to once again nationalize Meralco

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

You're basically kicking out people like the Gokongweis, Lucio Tan, Lito and Kim Atienza, the Sys, the Angs, Jose Mari Chan and the list goes on and on.

Exactly. And with them their assets and holdings will go as well. Both big business and smaller ones rub by the Chinese community would close down. The economy would crash.

Wait a minute? The Angs? Give me the first name of the guy and his age, plus is he married? I may know him.

[Connori Pilgrims]

Exactly. And with them their assets and holdings will go as well. Both big business and smaller ones rub by the Chinese community would close down. The economy would crash.

Wait a minute? The Angs? Give me the first name of the guy and his age, plus is he married? I may know him.

I presume he means Ramon Ang, the executor of the Cojuangcos and the current CEO of San Miguel, Petron and all other recently acquired properties. He's very old now last I checked.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Wait a minute? The Angs? Give me the first name of the guy and his age, plus is he married? I may know him.

I presume he means Ramon Ang, the executor of the Cojuangcos and the current CEO of San Miguel, Petron and all other recently acquired properties. He's very old now last I checked.

Hmm... Okay, nevermind then...

[Asigna]

Maybe if we can somehow screw with the Lopezes instead of big Filipino- Chinese families, it'll give us chance to once again nationalize Meralco

Noynoy's policies had been the privatization of several corporations such as healthcare facilities, that would leave them vulnerable to manipulation by private groups who will raise the prices to their delight while the DOH has little power to control the accessibility of healthcare as it is being done so. This is one of the few yet considerable economic blunders made by his administration given the circumstances of the corrupt atmosphere common among the private sector, it is not right that things like water, electricity and even healthcare would be privatized, leaving them out in the open for private families to control would only result into more corruption. To ensure that corruption could not loom among these service provisions, Noynoy should have taken responsibility of the provision of these services to his administration and to the branches of his government's cabinet, that would ensure that corruption would not be promoted since a leader who seeks to curb economic corruption would take responsibility of these services upon himself. If there is still corruption under those measures, that would mean Noynoy is not the leader we are looking for, he is a mere phony.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Maybe if we can somehow screw with the Lopezes instead of big Filipino- Chinese families, it'll give us chance to once again nationalize Meralco

Noynoy's policies had been the privatization of several corporations such as healthcare facilities, that would leave them vulnerable to manipulation by private groups who will raise the prices to their delight while the DOH has little power to control the accessibility of healthcare as it is being done so. This is one of the few yet considerable economic blunders made by his administration given the circumstances of the corrupt atmosphere common among the private sector, it is not right that things like water, electricity and even healthcare would be privatized, leaving them out in the open for private families to control would only result into more corruption. To ensure that corruption could not loom among these service provisions, Noynoy should have taken responsibility of the provision of these services to his administration and to the branches of his government's cabinet, that would ensure that corruption would not be promoted since a leader who seeks to curb economic corruption would take responsibility of these services upon himself. If there is still corruption under those measures, that would mean Noynoy is not the leader we are looking for, he is a mere phony.

Yet this "mere phoney" boasts the highest growth rates the country has ever seen for the past 40 or more years.

[Asigna]

Yet this "mere phoney" boasts the highest growth rates the country has ever seen for the past 40 or more years.

It's bad to say that everything, such as the economic growth we are experiencing currently is related to Noynoy. As you may see, everything is related rather to the OFWs, they are the power that feeds our economy, the one responsible for the economic growth we experience. It is not Noynoy who placed them all abroad but it is Noynoy who decided to keep that certain trend to keep them abroad in order for our economy to grow.

Keep in mind our economic growth is slowing down simultaneous to the minor reforms Noynoy had executed like the privatization of healthcare institutions around the country and even when he encouraged investment to flow in right at this very second, our economic growth slid from 7% back to 6%. If Noynoy has created an economic worth boasting, our economy should had survived the onslaught of Yolanda which ripped through our country the last year, our industrial sector must had remained solid in other parts of the country even if one city has been totally destroyed.

And Yes, we do have "economic growth" but where is economic development. The real deal we are all looking for. Over the past few years unemployment rate still remains the same, the same amount of people remain poor. We do have this economic growth but where are the benefits? Not even the middle class in the domestic level is benefiting from this economic growth, so far, we only rely on the change of salary that comes to our parents who work for our survival abroad and that decision does not lie on the local economy rather it is dependent on the decision of the foreigners so if these foreigners refuse to pay them, the one who is suffering is us.

Noynoy's agenda relies mostly on creating a pleasing foreign policy to please foreigners in order to create a bigger inflow of cash through OFWs or investment though nothing major has been done on a domestic level, the same solutions are being applied, save for the effort to curb corruption which has still not seen development since the Napoles trial is still on hiatus.

The economic growth is inconsistent and is also undeniably not experienced by a major lot of the population, who knows? It is only being determined by the wealth of private companies which means Noynoy has only made us see that the economy has improved in terms of numbers though does this really determine change has come in our country? No. It does not. It could had been only that our economic growth rate has increased due to the fact that only a handful on people, a minority of the population who is rich had become richer, they are the big wigs of our economy. While wealth is coming to them, meanwhile the poor people and to the middle class, the same trend still remains, the prices of domestic goods rise, the electricity bills rise, the petrol prices still rise though the fact that we have an entire Benham rise as well as other oil reserves availed to us by our vast resource reserves in our country, this could had solved the problem of unemployment and could had solved the fact of many are only employed in the informal sector, they could had been given jobs through the possibility of an oil industry or other industry that depends on the natural resources availed to us on our country though has this been done? No. As it seems only the wealth of the minority has benefited and that is why we see the "numbers" or economic figures are increasing.

Do not be fooled by mere statistics, they do not specifically determine the situation of our nation's people, they only total up all the numbers of our economy yet the average income per capita still remains the same. Since this is so, we can easily conclude that there is nothing that is really happening to our economy.

The question of has Noynoy really changed our economy? Has been answered. Thank you.

[Gigaverse]

Do Filipinos joke about Chinese "goods"?

Quite a bit, but they're still pretty cheap. Here in New Zealand, the Government has been growing it's anti Chinese phase at the moment especially after the latest cyber attacks to our industries mostly confirmed to have originated from China, the population is even beginning to think about limiting the immigration of Asians, but more particularly, Chinese. Every party has a majority for this move but the Prime Minister is still rather cautious.

There's actually quite a good joke about it in Vietnam.

"A motorcycle and a Chinese car runs on the road. The motorcycle unintentionally crashed into the car. One side of the car becomes a crater."

One of my friends jokes about riding a Vietnamese bicycle to crash it into a Chinese car.

[Vedria]

Quite a bit, but they're still pretty cheap. Here in New Zealand, the Government has been growing it's anti Chinese phase at the moment especially after the latest cyber attacks to our industries mostly confirmed to have originated from China, the population is even beginning to think about limiting the immigration of Asians, but more particularly, Chinese. Every party has a majority for this move but the Prime Minister is still rather cautious.

There's actually quite a good joke about it in Vietnam.

"A motorcycle and a Chinese car runs on the road. The motorcycle unintentionally crashed into the car. One side of the car becomes a crater."

One of my friends jokes about riding a Vietnamese bicycle to crash it into a Chinese car.

So, Asigna, what do you propose to do about our economic woes?

[Asigna]

There's actually quite a good joke about it in Vietnam.

"A motorcycle and a Chinese car runs on the road. The motorcycle unintentionally crashed into the car. One side of the car becomes a crater."

One of my friends jokes about riding a Vietnamese bicycle to crash it into a Chinese car.

Practically, when something breaks, we curse that product as "Made in China". That's how a Chinese man is starting to have quite a bad image in the Philippines, possibly, everywhere in east Asia as well. One day, many countries will be united against a Sinophobic banner while the Philippines would experience the heaviest sentiment of Anti Chinese feeling. That is, if the economic situation does not improve and if the only the mostly Chinese elite experiences a lot of wealth. They would seem like how the Jews where to Germany in the 1930s.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Yet this "mere phoney" boasts the highest growth rates the country has ever seen for the past 40 or more years.

It's bad to say that everything, such as the economic growth we are experiencing currently is related to Noynoy. As you may see, everything is related rather to the OFWs, they are the power that feeds our economy, the one responsible for the economic growth we experience. It is not Noynoy who placed them all abroad but it is Noynoy who decided to keep that certain trend to keep them abroad in order for our economy to grow.

Keep in mind our economic growth is slowing down simultaneous to the minor reforms Noynoy had executed like the privatization of healthcare institutions around the country and even when he encouraged investment to flow in right at this very second, our economic growth slid from 7% back to 6%. If Noynoy has created an economic worth boasting, our economy should had survived the onslaught of Yolanda which ripped through our country the last year, our industrial sector must had remained solid in other parts of the country even if one city has been totally destroyed.

And Yes, we do have "economic growth" but where is economic development. The real deal we are all looking for. Over the past few years unemployment rate still remains the same, the same amount of people remain poor. We do have this economic growth but where are the benefits? Not even the middle class in the domestic level is benefiting from this economic growth, so far, we only rely on the change of salary that comes to our parents who work for our survival abroad and that decision does not lie on the local economy rather it is dependent on the decision of the foreigners so if these foreigners refuse to pay them, the one who is suffering is us.

Noynoy's agenda relies mostly on creating a pleasing foreign policy to please foreigners in order to create a bigger inflow of cash through OFWs or investment though nothing major has been done on a domestic level, the same solutions are being applied, save for the effort to curb corruption which has still not seen development since the Napoles trial is still on hiatus.

The economic growth is inconsistent and is also undeniably not experienced by a major lot of the population, who knows? It is only being determined by the wealth of private companies which means Noynoy has only made us see that the economy has improved in terms of numbers though does this really determine change has come in our country? No. It does not. It could had been only that our economic growth rate has increased due to the fact that only a handful on people, a minority of the population who is rich had become richer, they are the big wigs of our economy. While wealth is coming to them, meanwhile the poor people and to the middle class, the same trend still remains, the prices of domestic goods rise, the electricity bills rise, the petrol prices still rise though the fact that we have an entire Benham rise as well as other oil reserves availed to us by our vast resource reserves in our country, this could had solved the problem of unemployment and could had solved the fact of many are only employed in the informal sector, they could had been given jobs through the possibility of an oil industry or other industry that depends on the natural resources availed to us on our country though has this been done? No. As it seems only the wealth of the minority has benefited and that is why we see the "numbers" or economic figures are increasing.

Do not be fooled by mere statistics, they do not specifically determine the situation of our nation's people, they only total up all the numbers of our economy yet the average income per capita still remains the same. Since this is so, we can easily conclude that there is nothing that is really happening to our economy.

The question of has Noynoy really changed our economy? Has been answered. Thank you.

First of all, the economy is not entirely dependent of OFWs as only around 10% or a little bit more of GDP come from remittances. Secondly it didn't only destroy one city, it destroyed several, affecting 4 million people directly, effectively 4% of the total population, just what you would expect from the strongest typhoon to make landfall in recorded history and deadliest one in all Philippine recorded history. Thirdly, yes a trickle down effect hasn't happened yet but it's only been less than 4 years and within that time we've turned from "Sick man of Asia" to "Asia's bright spot", "Rising Tiger", "The Next 11", etc, etc, there has not been enough time yet to see greater effects. You (and a lot) complain about the lack of jobs in the country, well with around 400-500 thousand entering the workforce each year, what would you expect? Did you complain when under the wicked witch when the population almost increased by a fourth that the RH law was not even being debated in the senate? The fact of the matter is, that Noynoy has done more in three years what the previous two couldn't do in their 12 and this is despite scandal after scandal underneath him, that is something that is quite impressive to look at. As for the price of everything going up, blame it on oil, with our currency getting weaker or "depreciating" the oil that we have to import becomes more expensive, ergo everything becomes more expensive. We could have our own oil, if it weren't for those stupid Chinese ships off our coast, unfortunately the previous administration which welcomed them in, in the first place seems to be mostly in the hospital at the moment leaving those with the audacity to challenge our defence agreements with allies having court case after court case (wasting a lot of our time and resources) against any existing agreements.

[Asigna]

So, Asigna, what do you propose to do about our economic woes?

Nationalize economy!

[Gigaverse]

There's actually quite a good joke about it in Vietnam.

"A motorcycle and a Chinese car runs on the road. The motorcycle unintentionally crashed into the car. One side of the car becomes a crater."

One of my friends jokes about riding a Vietnamese bicycle to crash it into a Chinese car.

Practically, when something breaks, we curse that product as "Made in China". That's how a Chinese man is starting to have quite a bad image in the Philippines, possibly, everywhere in east Asia as well. One day, many countries will be united against a Sinophobic banner while the Philippines would experience the heaviest sentiment of Anti Chinese feeling. That is, if the economic situation does not improve and if the only the mostly Chinese elite experiences a lot of wealth. They would seem like how the Jews where to Germany in the 1930s.

The only country that seems to have any love for China and vice versa is, excluding North Korea, probably the South.