Philippines Discussion Thread

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

We just need to decrease our Government size, that's all.

Really? What do you think of the oligarchies in power in the government?

Remove them, I dislike monopolies, I prefer competition.

[Vedria]

Really? What do you think of the oligarchies in power in the government?

Remove them, I dislike monopolies, I prefer competition.

I am in complete agreement. Oligarchies kill the democratic system in LGUs.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Remove them, I dislike monopolies, I prefer competition.

I am in complete agreement. Oligarchies kill the democratic system in LGUs.

Not just that, they also cause Market Failire.

[Vedria]

I am in complete agreement. Oligarchies kill the democratic system in LGUs.

Not just that, they also cause Market Failire.

I think you misunderstand the my meaning of oligarchy. I am referring to the families that are in power in various provinces and cities throughout the Philippines, not corporations which I think you are thinking of.

If I'm wrong, very sorry.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Not just that, they also cause Market Failire.

I think you misunderstand the my meaning of oligarchy. I am referring to the families that are in power in various provinces and cities throughout the Philippines, not corporations which I think you are thinking of.

If I'm wrong, very sorry.

Yes, but those families are theoretically owning monopolies.

[Kubra]

We all want a good future for this country, that is a given. The ony question is how.

Some may say that we should stay on our current path. Economically, I agree.

Politically? I say revolution.

And what do you mean by Revolution?

surround the cities from the countryside, the enemy does not fall of its own accord. Something like that, yeah?
jokes aside, isn't it a bit ridiculous to say that one is against the ruling families, but identify the solution as merely the reduction of government size? As if their domination is only a state-ordained thing?

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

And what do you mean by Revolution?

surround the cities from the countryside, the enemy does not fall of its own accord. Something like that, yeah?
jokes aside, isn't it a bit ridiculous to say that one is against the ruling families, but identify the solution as merely the reduction of government size? As if their domination is only a state-ordained thing?

It's called ensuring that the people are informed. This will ensure that the new age technology will decrease the current corruption in the country.

[Kubra]

surround the cities from the countryside, the enemy does not fall of its own accord. Something like that, yeah?
jokes aside, isn't it a bit ridiculous to say that one is against the ruling families, but identify the solution as merely the reduction of government size? As if their domination is only a state-ordained thing?

It's called ensuring that the people are informed. This will ensure that the new age technology will decrease the current corruption in the country

This is as vague a response as Vedria elaboration on revolution.
You can "inform the people" for decades, the mickey maos in the jungle do it daily, without anything resembling "progress".
Where do you get the idea that technology will end corruption? Where has it ever made a lasting dent in such?

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

It's called ensuring that the people are informed. This will ensure that the new age technology will decrease the current corruption in the country

This is as vague a response as Vedria elaboration on revolution.
You can "inform the people" for decades, the mickey maos in the jungle do it daily, without anything resembling "progress".
Where do you get the idea that technology will end corruption? Where has it ever made a lasting dent in such?

Sorry, it will "help cut down" corruption and ensure that the state will become more business friendly, a good example would be the new "cashless government expenditure" cards that will track the new spending of future generations.

[Kubra]

This is as vague a response as Vedria elaboration on revolution.
You can "inform the people" for decades, the mickey maos in the jungle do it daily, without anything resembling "progress".
Where do you get the idea that technology will end corruption? Where has it ever made a lasting dent in such?

Sorry, it will "help cut down" corruption and ensure that the state will become more business friendly, a good example would be the new "cashless government expenditure" cards that will track the new spending of future generations.

a reigning in on the petty bureaucrats, leaving the police and the actual oligarchs. Not to say that it's not a good move for the aquino administration, I won't fault it for going after the class that receives the most publicity for its corruption, but this sort of roundabout reform hardly vouches for technologies capacity for emancipation. This also poses the question of corruption as merely a matter of the state, rather than as a generalized social condition (nepotism generally being the order of the day in all relations, I won't deny having benefited from such(a mans gotta eat, yo)). Which, of course, remains within the mentality of the oligarchs regardless of state policy regarding only itself.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Sorry, it will "help cut down" corruption and ensure that the state will become more business friendly, a good example would be the new "cashless government expenditure" cards that will track the new spending of future generations.

a reigning in on the petty bureaucrats, leaving the police and the actual oligarchs. Not to say that it's not a good move for the aquino administration, but this sort of roundabout reform hardly vouches for technologies capacity for emancipation. This also poses the question of corruption as merely a matter of the state, rather than as a generalized social condition (nepotism generally being the order of the day in all relations, I won't deny having benefited from such(a mans gotta eat, yo)). Which, of course, remains within the mentality of the oligarchs regardless of state policy regarding only itself.

It is and I define it as such, a disease that has festerred in our society, carefully cared for by previous Governments that care little or nothing for its people. Our current Government has taken concrete steps to ensure that at-least a corner stone is placed as a foundation for the tower of wealth and prosperity that will reside in the state, the question is, will the people make the right decision, because at the end of the day, too many people remain because they pass up the opportunity to get out of poverty, and that opportunity is distinguishing the difference between a wolf and a shepherd when it comes to politics.

[Kubra]

a reigning in on the petty bureaucrats, leaving the police and the actual oligarchs. Not to say that it's not a good move for the aquino administration, but this sort of roundabout reform hardly vouches for technologies capacity for emancipation. This also poses the question of corruption as merely a matter of the state, rather than as a generalized social condition (nepotism generally being the order of the day in all relations, I won't deny having benefited from such(a mans gotta eat, yo)). Which, of course, remains within the mentality of the oligarchs regardless of state policy regarding only itself.

It is and I define it as such, a disease that has festerred in our society, carefully cared for by previous Governments that care little or nothing for its people. Our current Government has taken concrete steps to ensure that at-least a corner stone is placed as a foundation for the tower of wealth and prosperity that will reside in the state, the question is, will the people make the right decision, because at the end of the day, too many people remain because they pass up the opportunity to get out of poverty, and that opportunity is distinguishing the difference between a wolf and a shepherd when it comes to politics.

"Previous governments"? Dude this has been the order of the day ever since the erection of the first catholic church.
Vedria was right to talk revolution, despite their abortive and impermanent natures and the stagnations afterwards the best years in filipino politics were 1896 and 1986. Reform has shown itself time and time again mostly ineffectual, and nepotism at the local level is still the order of the day. This still seems like a period of stagnation.
but full disclosure, my idea of a solution is the proliferation of workers councils and the forcible overthrow of the state, so my naive/ill-informed attempts at realpolitik are probably coming off as simply silly.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

It is and I define it as such, a disease that has festerred in our society, carefully cared for by previous Governments that care little or nothing for its people. Our current Government has taken concrete steps to ensure that at-least a corner stone is placed as a foundation for the tower of wealth and prosperity that will reside in the state, the question is, will the people make the right decision, because at the end of the day, too many people remain because they pass up the opportunity to get out of poverty, and that opportunity is distinguishing the difference between a wolf and a shepherd when it comes to politics.

"Previous governments"? Dude this has been the order of the day ever since the erection of the first catholic church.
Vedria was right to talk revolution, despite their abortive and impermanent natures and the stagnations afterwards the best years in filipino politics were 1896 and 1986. Reform has shown itself time and time again mostly ineffectual, and nepotism at the local level is still the order of the day. This still seems like a period of stagnation.
but full disclosure, my idea of a solution is the proliferation of workers councils and the forcible overthrow of the state, so my naive/ill-informed attempts at realpolitik are probably coming off as simply silly.

So you don't count the Government that was sent by Spain? The bishops from barcelona and madrid, and even all the way up to Andres Bonfacio as "previous Governments?" Surely someone must have been running the country at that time and thus I was rather vague in stating the words "previous governments". The fact is, that under a democratic system, the Philippines has been just as it will ever be, successful in its domestic policies in comparison to its imperial and dictatorial years, whether it be economically, socially, or politically.

[Clartelland]

Hi! Pinoy here!

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Hi! Pinoy here!

Hello

[Vedria]

Hi! Pinoy here!

Hello. Where are you from?

(Laguna over here)

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Hi! Pinoy here!

Hello. Where are you from?

(Laguna over here)

Was from Parañaque. Now in Auckland.

[Benshir]

Hi! Pinoy here!

Hello. Where are you from?

(Laguna over here)

From Isabela, now in SG.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Hello. Where are you from?

(Laguna over here)

From Isabela, now in SG.

SG? That's what they call Singapore?

[Benshir]

From Isabela, now in SG.

SG? That's what they call Singapore?

Yup. My university website for example, would be www.nus.edu.sg/

[Vedria]

Hello. Where are you from?

(Laguna over here)

Was from Parañaque. Now in Auckland.

Good thing you moved, that place is probably hot as hell right now

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Was from Parañaque. Now in Auckland.

Good thing you moved, that place is probably hot as hell right now

Indeed, the dam water level for Metro Manila is lowering to critical levels they say... It wouldn't matter, as soon as the ber months come they'll be replenished...

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Oh look, a Philippine discussion thread. Sweet.

About the topic, I think it's stupid to publicly celebrate Independence Day in another country. I mean, have a private party or something, but don't go out into the streets of a foreign country to celebrate the independence of your own. If people of other nations don't do so in the Philippines, it's only right and fair that we do the same for them.

Here. I agree with you

Hello. Where are you from?

(Laguna over here)

From Isabela, now in SG.

From Cavite, now in Canada.

[Kubra]

"Previous governments"? Dude this has been the order of the day ever since the erection of the first catholic church.
Vedria was right to talk revolution, despite their abortive and impermanent natures and the stagnations afterwards the best years in filipino politics were 1896 and 1986. Reform has shown itself time and time again mostly ineffectual, and nepotism at the local level is still the order of the day. This still seems like a period of stagnation.
but full disclosure, my idea of a solution is the proliferation of workers councils and the forcible overthrow of the state, so my naive/ill-informed attempts at realpolitik are probably coming off as simply silly.

So you don't count the Government that was sent by Spain? The bishops from barcelona and madrid, and even all the way up to Andres Bonfacio as "previous Governments?" Surely someone must have been running the country at that time and thus I was rather vague in stating the words "previous governments". The fact is, that under a democratic system, the Philippines has been just as it will ever be, successful in its domestic policies in comparison to its imperial and dictatorial years, whether it be economically, socially, or politically.

No, I am counting all of them, that's the thing. "previous governments" doesn't refers to literally ALL of them, because all of them were based largely on corruption.
could you elaborate further on why you believe the philippines has had better luck under democracy than the previous regimes?

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

So you don't count the Government that was sent by Spain? The bishops from barcelona and madrid, and even all the way up to Andres Bonfacio as "previous Governments?" Surely someone must have been running the country at that time and thus I was rather vague in stating the words "previous governments". The fact is, that under a democratic system, the Philippines has been just as it will ever be, successful in its domestic policies in comparison to its imperial and dictatorial years, whether it be economically, socially, or politically.

No, I am counting all of them, that's the thing. "previous governments" doesn't refers to literally ALL of them, because all of them were based largely on corruption.
could you elaborate further on why you believe the philippines has had better luck under democracy than the previous regimes?

Alright, we had started our Democratic government during the American era, during this time, our economy was a major one to the extent that we weren't even effected by the Great Depression, this was during the commonwealth, a time when democracy was concepted in the country. After the war, under consecutive Democratic governments, we had become the second fastest growing economy in Asia, the same way we are now after 40 years since, this ended during the Martial Law era and saw a dictatorship reproduce corruption in the country.