Philippines Discussion Thread

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Well yeah, besides there isn't exactly a political dynasty in his family at the moment, he I believe is the lone person in the family currently in politics, besides a political dynasty is more along the lines of Arroyo, Marcos and Binay, now THOSE are dynasties.

IMO, I think an anti-dynasty law is stupid because it may mean that I can't be a government official since any of my immediate family members is already one.

That's called "step-by-step".

[Bodhicruize]

IMO, I think an anti-dynasty law is stupid because it may mean that I can't be a government official since any of my immediate family members is already one.

That's called "step-by-step".

Yeah

[Victoriala]

IMO, I think an anti-dynasty law is stupid because it may mean that I can't be a government official since any of my immediate family members is already one.

That's called "step-by-step".

Best loophole 2015

[Neo Philippine Empire]

The irony since he is part of the Aquino dynasty.

It can't really be described as a dynasty if he's the only one in his immediate family (that I know of) who is currently in office.

There are tons of Aquinos in the politics though...

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

It can't really be described as a dynasty if he's the only one in his immediate family (that I know of) who is currently in office.

There are tons of Aquinos in the politics though...

That are part of his immediate family and/or related to him?

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Political dynasty aren't bad, per se. Case in point: the Duterte Family (or clan). Unfortunately, the Dutertes are the exception rather than the rule. My proposal on how to end political dynasty if the people wills it, or not necessarily political dynasty but bad politicians in general is the introduction of the Alternative Vote.

Currently, the Philippines and the majority of countries uses first-past-the-post system. Whoever gets the most votes, win. But this, I believe, discourages people who want change to turn up and vote. This means the status quo fanatics are the ones out there in the polling booth. Others just vote for the status quo because there's nothing that can be done. Even if they like Politician C, it will be a close race between Politician A and B, and Juan The Voter does not want Politician B so he votes for Politician A instead. Other voters might choose Politician B to prevent Politician A from getting elected, even though they don't wholeheartedly support him.

Under the Alternative Vote system, voters get to rank the candidates based on their preference. When votes are tallied, the candidate who gets the least number of votes gets eliminated, and whoever voted for the eliminated candidate will have their votes redistributed to their second choice. The process goes on and on until the candidate receives over 50% of the votes or only 1 candidate is left:


I believe that under this voting system, people will be able to vote according to their convictions, rather than voting strategically. It also is a more democratic way of electing officials as they need to gain the support of at least half of the voters before they can be elected, as opposed to the current system. Case in point: PNoy was elected with only 41.8% of the votes.

Of course, this will not single handedly solve corruption, nor will it be the sole answer for our county's woes. But I think it is a big step towards democratic reform.

[Neo Philippine Empire]

There are tons of Aquinos in the politics though...

That are part of his immediate family and/or related to him?

Immediate family and related to him or someone in the past.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Bump. Medical Marijuana in PH: Yay or Nay?

[Stormwrath]

Medical marijuana is a thing? *shrugs*

But like any medical substance, never abuse, especially in overdose quantities.

[Paragos]

BBL,

Against or PRO?

For me, it will not make any differences like The ARMM. The government must not gives something to someone just like that

[Paragos]

Medical marijuana is a thing? *shrugs*

But like any medical substance, never abuse, especially in overdose quantities.

What we need to do is strictly enforce
But......
*looks at PNP*

[Connori Pilgrims]

BBL,

Against or PRO?

For me, it will not make any differences like The ARMM. The government must not gives something to someone just like that

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The government's peace processes in Mindanao are them merely privileging one insolent noisy tribe over the others. ARMM privileged the Tausugs of Nur Misuari. BBL promises to privilege the Maguindanaoans of the MILF. Given time another group of disaffected hapless fools, tired of being ignored by the national government and tired of being abused by the ruling tribe will take up arms.

The only way IMO to get real peace in Mindanao is you neutralize these clan/tribe loyalties. Whether you do it by enforced tolerance classes or just straight up annihilating them all, it matters not.

[Paragos]

BBL,

Against or PRO?

For me, it will not make any differences like The ARMM. The government must not gives something to someone just like that

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The government's peace processes in Mindanao are them merely privileging one insolent noisy tribe over the others. ARMM privileged the Tausugs of Nur Misuari. BBL promises to privilege the Maguindanaoans of the MILF. Given time another group of disaffected hapless fools, tired of being ignored by the national government and tired of being abused by the ruling tribe will take up arms.

The only way IMO to get real peace in Mindanao is you neutralize these clan/tribe loyalties. Whether you do it by enforced tolerance classes or just straight up annihilating them all, it matters not.

Pardon for that, I dont have time to read 181 pages of this thread.

But my point is that, when BBL is now fully implemented, it will have a chance that other non-Bangsamoro provinces will join the autonomy and Mindanao will most likely to ask independence considering the ethnic diversity of the South

[Connori Pilgrims]

But my point is that, when BBL is now fully implemented, it will have a chance that other non-Bangsamoro provinces will join the autonomy and Mindanao will most likely to ask independence considering the ethnic diversity of the South

You sure about that? Part of what's delaying BBL now is that so many of the non-Maguindanaoan peoples who make up the proposed Bangsamoro are complaining about not being consulted. And the MNLF isn't going to take this lying down as the Zamboanga Incident of 2013 showed... also they're still the legally recognized Muslim group by the OIC; only Malaysia seems to recognize the MILF.

And the non-Bangsamoro provinces (which are the actual majority of Mindanao) will laugh at you or anyone who suggests they'll join Bangsamoro.

[Paragos]

And the MNLF isn't going to take this lying down as the Zamboanga Incident of 2013 showed... also they're still the legally recognized Muslim group by the OIC; only Malaysia seems to recognize the MILF.

I see the Zamboanga Incident and the Mamasapano Incident as like a "slap" to the government but does it have to be that violent? I mean the MILF used violence why would we, Philippines, recognize the MILF as a "reform group" with strong Islam mindset?

I say we close this short discussion of the BBL shall we?

[The New Byzantine II]

Medical marijuana is a thing? *shrugs*

But like any medical substance, never abuse, especially in overdose quantities.

What we need to do is strictly enforce
But......
*looks at PNP*

For the PNPs, spell tanga.

[Esgonia]

BBL,

Against or PRO?

For me, it will not make any differences like The ARMM. The government must not gives something to someone just like that

As of right now, I have to say against. It just gives the separatists more power instead of gaining peace

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

BBL,

Against or PRO?

For me, it will not make any differences like The ARMM. The government must not gives something to someone just like that

I'm in favour in principle but I do have some concerns with it:

1. Why was MNLF, the Sultanate and the Indigenous People excluded from the negotiations? Why did the government junk its agreement with the MNLF?

2. How can we make sure that Bangsamoro won't secede later on? How can we make sure that the funds going to the Bangsamoro Government won't be used to arm separatist movements?

3. Why the need for a separate Bangsamoro Police Force? Why does the AFP need permission to enter Bangsamoro territory?

The Aquino administration unilaterally imposed BBL bill without consulting relevant parties on ground. If my concerns were addressed, then I'm in favour of BBL. Heck, they can even implement full Sharia law for all I care, as long as they exclude Christians.

BBL,

Against or PRO?

For me, it will not make any differences like The ARMM. The government must not gives something to someone just like that

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The government's peace processes in Mindanao are them merely privileging one insolent noisy tribe over the others. ARMM privileged the Tausugs of Nur Misuari. BBL promises to privilege the Maguindanaoans of the MILF. Given time another group of disaffected hapless fools, tired of being ignored by the national government and tired of being abused by the ruling tribe will take up arms.

The only way IMO to get real peace in Mindanao is you neutralize these clan/tribe loyalties. Whether you do it by enforced tolerance classes or just straight up annihilating them all, it matters not.

Or make two separate autonomous regions, one for Tausugs and one for everybody else in Central Mindanao.

But my point is that, when BBL is now fully implemented, it will have a chance that other non-Bangsamoro provinces will join the autonomy and Mindanao will most likely to ask independence considering the ethnic diversity of the South

You sure about that? Part of what's delaying BBL now is that so many of the non-Maguindanaoan peoples who make up the proposed Bangsamoro are complaining about not being consulted. And the MNLF isn't going to take this lying down as the Zamboanga Incident of 2013 showed... also they're still the legally recognized Muslim group by the OIC; only Malaysia seems to recognize the MILF.

And the non-Bangsamoro provinces (which are the actual majority of Mindanao) will laugh at you or anyone who suggests they'll join Bangsamoro.

Right, because the majority of them are Christians. This whole notion by the MNLF and the MILF that they will separate Mindanao+Palawan because it's their ancestral homeland is pure nonsense. This is 2015, not the pre-Colonial Philippines. The majority of Mindanao is now inhabited by Christians. You think they'll just succumb to their demands just because they have arms? If those Christians arm themselves and you try to provoke them, they'll raise you hell.

[Stormwrath]

Personally I think they should've thought this through instead of pushing it to be passed into law. An amendment to the ARMM thingy would do just as well as BBL, as it will include the Maguindanaoans and other associated tribes with the Tausugs and associates in special semi-autonomy.

[Bodhicruize]

The BBL is just a waste of time for me. The ARMM can still do the BBL's job without violating the constitution.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Marcos declares BBL dead. Prepare for sh#tstorm in Mindanao. Federalism is the only route now.

[MERIZoC]

Medical marijuana is a thing? *shrugs*

But like any medical substance, never abuse, especially in overdose quantities.

Can't OD on weed.

[The New Byzantine II]

Marcos declares BBL dead. Prepare for sh#tstorm in Mindanao. Federalism is the only route now.

You mean the whole Mindanao?

Northern Mindanao isn't even affected by the shitstorm there.

[Kubra]

Medical marijuana is a thing? *shrugs*

But like any medical substance, never abuse, especially in overdose quantities.

What we need to do is strictly enforce
But......
*looks at PNP*

the only strict enforcement possible in for weed in temperate climates is agent orange. They call it weed for a reason.

[Pope Joan]

I hear there is more fighting going on in the southwest right now, with casualties.

I think these are fake Muslim activists. These guys were murderous pirates centuries before they ever hear of jihad.