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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Mon May 26, 2014 10:37 pm

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The Scientific States wrote:I must say, I'm a little surprised. I always figured that the influence of the church in Philippines made the country a bit socially conservative.

It may also be because the LGBT community knows how to have a good time, and we as a people love a good time.

Nope, it's definitely not that.
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Postby Holy Philippine Empire » Tue May 27, 2014 5:28 am

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Benshir wrote:It may also be because the LGBT community knows how to have a good time, and we as a people love a good time.

Nope, it's definitely not that.


I think it is kinda. lol
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Postby Nationalist Eminral Republic » Tue May 27, 2014 7:05 am

The Scientific States wrote:I recently saw in a survey by pew that the Philippines was one of the most pro gay countries on the planet, and I was pleasantly surprised. Because I was a little surprised, I'd like to ask anyone who has lived in the Philippines, is the nation seemingly tolerant towards LGBT people?

I think it's part of a global trend of increasing tolerance of LGBT by youth, at least in most parts of the world.
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Postby Brutland and Norden » Tue May 27, 2014 9:28 am

The Scientific States wrote:I recently saw in a survey by pew that the Philippines was one of the most pro gay countries on the planet, and I was pleasantly surprised. Because I was a little surprised, I'd like to ask anyone who has lived in the Philippines, is the nation seemingly tolerant towards LGBT people?

The Philippines is a land of paradoxes. Many of the things the West deem as benchmarks for equality are lacking, yet the country is surprisingly is a 'bright spot' for gender issues in developing countries. We don't have gay marriage or civil unions, yet the people are LGBT-friendly, even the older people (especially when compared to other Asian nations). We don't have divorce or abortion-on-demand or even public contraception, yet the country has the fifth smallest gender gap.

To me, part of this stems from institutional apathy and the culture. There are few laws discriminating in favor of women or gender minorities, but there are little to no laws discriminating against them either. (For example, there are no gender quotas for elected positions, but there are no gender barriers for elective positions either. Yet we are in the top 10 of the countries for women's political empowerment.) The institutions (apart from the Church) do not touch these social issues and as a result, the Westernized culture with pre-colonial undertones of equality (such as women's rights and things such as babaylans) come to the fore. We are still conservative and religious as a country and as a people, but that doesn't preclude us from being tolerant. That said, we also have tons of other problems to solve.

More paradoxes, my friends who happen to be gay are often more religious than me. ;)
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Postby Luzvimindia » Tue May 27, 2014 10:49 am

Brutland and Norden wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:I recently saw in a survey by pew that the Philippines was one of the most pro gay countries on the planet, and I was pleasantly surprised. Because I was a little surprised, I'd like to ask anyone who has lived in the Philippines, is the nation seemingly tolerant towards LGBT people?

The Philippines is a land of paradoxes. Many of the things the West deem as benchmarks for equality are lacking, yet the country is surprisingly is a 'bright spot' for gender issues in developing countries. We don't have gay marriage or civil unions, yet the people are LGBT-friendly, even the older people (especially when compared to other Asian nations). We don't have divorce or abortion-on-demand or even public contraception, yet the country has the fifth smallest gender gap.

To me, part of this stems from institutional apathy and the culture. There are few laws discriminating in favor of women or gender minorities, but there are little to no laws discriminating against them either. (For example, there are no gender quotas for elected positions, but there are no gender barriers for elective positions either. Yet we are in the top 10 of the countries for women's political empowerment.) The institutions (apart from the Church) do not touch these social issues and as a result, the Westernized culture with pre-colonial undertones of equality (such as women's rights and things such as babaylans) come to the fore. We are still conservative and religious as a country and as a people, but that doesn't preclude us from being tolerant. That said, we also have tons of other problems to solve.

More paradoxes, my friends who happen to be gay are often more religious than me. ;)


So true! Gender equality really stems from the cultural background of the population. Patriarchal cultures tend to have a hard time bridging the gap between genders simply because it is already deeply embedded into their society that men have more power over women. It really boils down to long-held beliefs that still dictate present social norms.

For example, our deep reverence for mothers and women in general as the "light of the community" (ilaw ng tahanan) help bridge the gender gap, though not solve it entirely. There is still discrimination but it would be far less than what you would see in western countries.
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Postby Benshir » Tue May 27, 2014 11:14 am

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The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Nope, it's definitely not that.


I think it is kinda. lol

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Postby The Rising Sun Katana » Tue May 27, 2014 11:27 am

The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.

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Postby Rio Cana » Tue May 27, 2014 1:21 pm

The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.



The Philippines is strategically located. And very rich in minerals and agriculture. Problem was that the US did not help industrialize the Philippines like they did Japan which had started WW II. They left the Philippines has a raw material supplier for re-Industrialized Japan. Once the Philippines properly industrializes and the economy takes off they will become a regional power. Remember, you also need a large population.in order to be a regional power. Economic growth means more tax money for the government to spend on education. That is if corruption is controlled.

The South of the Philippines is not prone to Typhoons. The Northern and Central parts just need better building codes, move people out of flood plains and steep mountains and the canalizing of rivers. This will help solve the Typhoon problems.

When it comes to the Communist guerillas in the Philippines, I heard they are generally in isolated areas. Economic development should make these Communist and any other group vanish. Has for your comment on Communist China, I read that they want better ties to the Philippines so they are no longer supplying the rebels.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Tue May 27, 2014 2:19 pm

The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.

The same was true for Japan after the Second World War, and look how they went. The fact of the matter is we as a nation had a different culture, the culture that we gained from the Spanish about political APATHY sponsored a type of national "I don't care about who rules the country" feeling that ended after the presidential elections of 2010.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Tue May 27, 2014 2:22 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.



The Philippines is strategically located. And very rich in minerals and agriculture. Problem was that the US did not help industrialize the Philippines like they did Japan which had started WW II. They left the Philippines has a raw material supplier for re-Industrialized Japan. Once the Philippines properly industrializes and the economy takes off they will become a regional power. Remember, you also need a large population.in order to be a regional power. Economic growth means more tax money for the government to spend on education. That is if corruption is controlled.

The South of the Philippines is not prone to Typhoons. The Northern and Central parts just need better building codes, move people out of flood plains and steep mountains and the canalizing of rivers. This will help solve the Typhoon problems.

When it comes to the Communist guerillas in the Philippines, I heard they are generally in isolated areas. Economic development should make these Communist and any other group vanish. Has for your comment on Communist China, I read that they want better ties to the Philippines so they are no longer supplying the rebels.

Well the communist insurgency is dying down and will continue to die down as long as we continue building up the economy, why do you think they're sabotaging plantations in Mindanao, because they know that the minute the economy in the Southern region starts picking up, their beloved Communism will start to die in the country, because the economic prosperity that they promise will never succeed...
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Tue May 27, 2014 4:51 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.

The same was true for Japan after the Second World War, and look how they went. The fact of the matter is we as a nation had a different culture, the culture that we gained from the Spanish about political APATHY sponsored a type of national "I don't care about who rules the country" feeling that ended after the presidential elections of 2010.

Well, you guys still have the "We don’t care what you do there. Just pay taxes and we’re okay." That region in Mindanao. ARMM, I think.
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Tue May 27, 2014 4:55 pm

The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.

Well, the Philippines has a very young population compared to Japan’s ’dying’ one.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Tue May 27, 2014 6:45 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:The same was true for Japan after the Second World War, and look how they went. The fact of the matter is we as a nation had a different culture, the culture that we gained from the Spanish about political APATHY sponsored a type of national "I don't care about who rules the country" feeling that ended after the presidential elections of 2010.

Well, you guys still have the "We don’t care what you do there. Just pay taxes and we’re okay." That region in Mindanao. ARMM, I think.

Bangsamoro, and we do care because we have a peace deal with almost all of the waring parties.
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Postby Vedria » Tue May 27, 2014 6:55 pm

The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.


I am overwhelmed by your ignorance, stupidity and lack of a source.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Tue May 27, 2014 7:07 pm

Vedria wrote:
The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.


I am overwhelmed by your ignorance, stupidity and lack of a source.

I never thought I would say this to a socialist, but I absolutely agree with you.
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Tue May 27, 2014 8:23 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Vedria wrote:
I am overwhelmed by your ignorance, stupidity and lack of a source.

I never thought I would say this to a socialist, but I absolutely agree with you.

Eh, Japan has an aging population. They'll fall into irrelevance if they don't straighten their shit out.
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Postby Asigna » Tue May 27, 2014 8:31 pm

Vedria wrote:
The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.


I am overwhelmed by your ignorance, stupidity and lack of a source.


We are all overwhelmed by your ignorance. Thank you fellow Filipino.

The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.


I'm sorry. Over populated? This is nothing compared to our northeastern Neighbor, in fact, this population of ours is good for us since this could become labor force. There is no overpopulation in our country, our population is just concentrated much in the Urban areas while they almost do not exist in the forest and the mountains. Economically weak? We have a huge potential and are in terms of growth, doing quite well even if we're still not being releasign even a fraction of our potential.

Leave before we will throw every single fact at ya or before you face a huge firestorm from a good bunch of Filipino nationalists who exist in this thread.
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Postby Luzvimindia » Tue May 27, 2014 9:34 pm

Asigna wrote:
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I am overwhelmed by your ignorance, stupidity and lack of a source.


We are all overwhelmed by your ignorance. Thank you fellow Filipino.

The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.


I'm sorry. Over populated? This is nothing compared to our northeastern Neighbor, in fact, this population of ours is good for us since this could become labor force. There is no overpopulation in our country, our population is just concentrated much in the Urban areas while they almost do not exist in the forest and the mountains. Economically weak? We have a huge potential and are in terms of growth, doing quite well even if we're still not being releasign even a fraction of our potential.

Leave before we will throw every single fact at ya or before you face a huge firestorm from a good bunch of Filipino nationalists who exist in this thread.


I was about to argue against every single point this guy said but seeing that I will most likely be arguing with a heavily biased person who only cares about pushing his point despite overwhelming facts that show otherwise, I will just keep quiet. But don't tempt us.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Tue May 27, 2014 10:37 pm

Asigna wrote:
Vedria wrote:
I am overwhelmed by your ignorance, stupidity and lack of a source.


We are all overwhelmed by your ignorance. Thank you fellow Filipino.

The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.


I'm sorry. Over populated? This is nothing compared to our northeastern Neighbor, in fact, this population of ours is good for us since this could become labor force. There is no overpopulation in our country, our population is just concentrated much in the Urban areas while they almost do not exist in the forest and the mountains. Economically weak? We have a huge potential and are in terms of growth, doing quite well even if we're still not being releasign even a fraction of our potential.

Leave before we will throw every single fact at ya or before you face a huge firestorm from a good bunch of Filipino nationalists who exist in this thread.

Indeed, we Filipinos are more nationalist than the Germans were during World War 2, however we are quite pacifist as-well and tolerate foreigners a lot.
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Vedria wrote:
The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.


I am overwhelmed by your ignorance, stupidity and lack of a source.


I meant we were all overwhelmed by his ignorance. Heheh. I accidentally said. "Your ignorance" instead of the other guy's ignorance. :lol:

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Indeed, we Filipinos are more nationalist than the Germans were during World War 2, however we are quite pacifist as-well and tolerate foreigners a lot.


Many Filipinos are nationalist indeed though in a good way though true nationalism is rare among the many of the population whose pride for their own country and hope that it will rise again is quite tenuous.
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I am overwhelmed by your ignorance, stupidity and lack of a source.


I meant we were all overwhelmed by his ignorance. Heheh. I accidentally said. "Your ignorance" instead of the other guy's ignorance. :lol:

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Indeed, we Filipinos are more nationalist than the Germans were during World War 2, however we are quite pacifist as-well and tolerate foreigners a lot.


Many Filipinos are nationalist indeed though in a good way though true nationalism is rare among the many of the population whose pride for their own country and hope that it will rise again is quite tenuous.

The economy is doing rather well, all we have to do is kick out the Chinese, build more power plants, strengthen our infrastructure and increase the building standards for the private sector, then boom. We'll be bonefied member of the elite economies of the World. (Also reintroduce the death penalty once corruption in the judiciary is solved)
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The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:The economy is doing rather well, all we have to do is kick out the Chinese, build more power plants, strengthen our infrastructure and increase the building standards for the private sector, then boom. We'll be bonefied member of the elite economies of the World. (Also reintroduce the death penalty once corruption in the judiciary is solved)


+Federalize the country, nationalize raw materials extracting industries, encourage the population to become entrepreneurs and invent and attract foreign investment from Japan, European union and other countries on the pretext we can be better than Japan because we do not have problems in terms of running out of natural resources and we have a potentially innovative industry considering we invented certain good stuff like the fluorescent lamp and other things.

This nation, with all it's natural resources, with all it's people can be great again. Our nation can be great again. We don't need a military to show who is boss. Economy is the real barometer that determines powerful nations of the 21st century. China's GDP is only a result of their unstoppable population who's demand for consumer goods keeps on increasing until the point the actually vulnerable economic bubble of China would collapse, because their economy is no different than the United states's because it is still them whose debt is still bigger than their own economy which is only 2nd to that of the United states. Their economy has the potential to collapse along with their population which is just a house of cards ready to collapse on the following decades to come if they cannot keep up with the population's demand without totally having to expand their natural resource pool both home and abroad. A population crash on China can become imminent. Meanwhile in the Philippines, while our population is growing, we have RH bill to do the trick.
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Postby Gigaverse » Wed May 28, 2014 2:51 am

The Rising Sun Katana wrote:The Philippines is a politically isolated, very over-populated, under educated, economically weak nation that is standing by to be overrun by communists (whether sponsored by Communist China or actual Communist Chinese Forces) any day now. Mass starvation is the only real future Philippine people can look forward to, that is, if they aren't blown away by more massive storm systems.

The fact that you use that flag and that name just mocked the Japanese people.
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Postby Gigaverse » Wed May 28, 2014 2:52 am

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
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I meant we were all overwhelmed by his ignorance. Heheh. I accidentally said. "Your ignorance" instead of the other guy's ignorance. :lol:



Many Filipinos are nationalist indeed though in a good way though true nationalism is rare among the many of the population whose pride for their own country and hope that it will rise again is quite tenuous.

The economy is doing rather well, all we have to do is kick out the Chinese, build more power plants, strengthen our infrastructure and increase the building standards for the private sector, then boom. We'll be bonefied member of the elite economies of the World. (Also reintroduce the death penalty once corruption in the judiciary is solved)

Kick out which Chinese? The actual Chinese or the Chinese that truly can't speak Chinese very well even when tortured?
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Postby Asigna » Wed May 28, 2014 2:55 am

Gigaverse wrote:Kick out which Chinese? The actual Chinese or the Chinese that truly can't speak Chinese very well even when tortured?


In today's time, Nationalist Filipinos tend to point that the Chinese are not limited to the people in mainland China and Taiwan but are also those Filipinos with significant Chinese traits or the so-called "tsinoys". One of them is the corrupt president turned dictator Ferdinand Marcos. They are often blamed for the existence of corruption comitted without remorse to what it may do to the Filipino people.

"They do not feel remorse for Filipinos because they are not Filipinos." That's what they sometimes say.
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The Filipino dude is a Mangotreestian, yes, he is a believer in the gospel of the mango tree. The one true religion.
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