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Postby Benshir » Sun May 18, 2014 3:29 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Which is also statehood. Spain has a specialty of the "You-can-do-whatever-you-want-with-your-state-you-just-need-to-pay-taxes-to-the-capital" type of Givernment.

Yes that was their policy, but sovereignty is quite different from recognized autonomy (limited liberties as a territory) completely dependent on your consistent turning in of tribute.
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun May 18, 2014 3:31 am

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Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Which is also statehood. Spain has a specialty of the "You-can-do-whatever-you-want-with-your-state-you-just-need-to-pay-taxes-to-the-capital" type of Givernment.

Yes that was their policy, but sovereignty is quite different from recognized autonomy (limited liberties as a territory) completely dependent on your consistent turning in of tribute.

The autonomy Rizal is speaking of is the one like in Spain, but to be closer to home that region in Mindanao.
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Postby Benshir » Sun May 18, 2014 3:33 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:The autonomy Rizal is speaking of is the one like in Spain, but to be closer to home that region in Mindanao.

Evidence to support this claim?
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun May 18, 2014 3:38 am

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Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:The autonomy Rizal is speaking of is the one like in Spain, but to be closer to home that region in Mindanao.

Evidence to support this claim?

Best I can find is autonomy and equal rights. i was wrong. Best I can find is this. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_Filipino_ ... e_of_Spain
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Postby Benshir » Sun May 18, 2014 3:43 am

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Best I can find is autonomy and equal rights.

Indeed. We don't have enough to conclusively tell, only that in Spain he sought "justice for Filipinos" and equality in representation. I've never come across anything explicitly stating he sought statehood, although anyone may feel free to correct me at this point.

Equal representation for Filipinos before the Spanish Courts and Social Justice sounds more like a province, and at best special autonomy status like the SAR's of China, but even that would have been unlikely since, were he practical, he would have known that such ideas would have been novel and certainly controversial at the time, and most opposed to Imperial Spain's policy for its colonies.
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun May 18, 2014 4:57 am

Time to start a new topic. The ASR are the most renowned in the world right? I just watch Manhunt and saw them track Joel Lambert with just their skills and a measuring device.
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Postby Brutland and Norden » Sun May 18, 2014 5:09 am

Benshir wrote:Equal representation for Filipinos before the Spanish Courts and Social Justice sounds more like a province, and at best special autonomy status like the SAR's of China, but even that would have been unlikely since, were he practical, he would have known that such ideas would have been novel and certainly controversial at the time, and most opposed to Imperial Spain's policy for its colonies.

Not really novel, but probably controversial. The Philippines was actually represented twice in the Spanish Cortes, both during period when Spain had a more liberal administrations: The Cádiz Cortes had a representative from the Philippines, and also during the Trienio Liberal (1820-1823). Philippine representation in the Spanish Cortes was abolished on 16 April 1837.
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Postby Nationalist Eminral Republic » Sun May 18, 2014 6:51 pm

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Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:If I remember correctly he pushed for statehood from the motherland?

Really? IIRC he pushed for autonomy as a province.

It'd be interesting to think if that succeeded. Philippines would be ran like Canada, Australia and other Commonwealth nations, but under the Spanish crown.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun May 18, 2014 7:56 pm

Nationalist Eminral Republic wrote:
Benshir wrote:Really? IIRC he pushed for autonomy as a province.

It'd be interesting to think if that succeeded. Philippines would be ran like Canada, Australia and other Commonwealth nations, but under the Spanish crown.

Franco would likely have revoked such status when he came to power due to his centralist views.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Sun May 18, 2014 8:13 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Even though I agree with the final statement, the first one is unfounded as China invaded Tibet which was an independent state, as opposed to us who already had Mindanao for centuries.

Invading any Hispanic influenced countries is always a bad idea. See: Mexico, Spain, Philippines. Mexican-American war, Napoleonic wars, WWII respectively.

What do you mean? America got Texas and California from Mexico plus the Philippines, Cuba, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico, etc from Spain as-well and it only served to turn those countries anti spanish.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Sun May 18, 2014 8:14 pm

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Nationalist Eminral Republic wrote:It'd be interesting to think if that succeeded. Philippines would be ran like Canada, Australia and other Commonwealth nations, but under the Spanish crown.

Franco would likely have revoked such status when he came to power due to his centralist views.

Plus seriously? You do realise that Spanish influence and British influence are two very different things right? :eyebrow: The fact that we were colonised by the Spanish is basically just a death sentence.
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun May 18, 2014 8:17 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Franco would likely have revoked such status when he came to power due to his centralist views.

Plus seriously? You do realise that Spanish influence and British influence are two very different things right? :eyebrow: The fact that we were colonised by the Spanish is basically just a death sentence.

Really? See: Africa. We weren't THAT bad.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Sun May 18, 2014 8:19 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Plus seriously? You do realise that Spanish influence and British influence are two very different things right? :eyebrow: The fact that we were colonised by the Spanish is basically just a death sentence.

Really? See: Africa. We weren't THAT bad.

Name me one Spanish speaking or influenced country in the World today that can boast a first world standard of living... :eyebrow:
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Postby Geilinor » Sun May 18, 2014 8:20 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Really? See: Africa. We weren't THAT bad.

Name me one Spanish speaking or influenced country in the World today that can boast a first world standard of living... :eyebrow:

Spain. :p
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun May 18, 2014 8:21 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Really? See: Africa. We weren't THAT bad.

Name me one Spanish speaking or influenced country in the World today that can boast a first world standard of living... :eyebrow:

Spain.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Sun May 18, 2014 8:21 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Name me one Spanish speaking or influenced country in the World today that can boast a first world standard of living... :eyebrow:

Spain. :p

The 24% unemployment rate is sooo convincing... :roll:
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun May 18, 2014 8:26 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Spain. :p

The 24% unemployment rate is sooo convincing... :roll:

The resorts generally do not open during Winter-Spring which is right now. A lot of people work there too.
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun May 18, 2014 8:28 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:Really? See: Africa. We weren't THAT bad.

Name me one Spanish speaking or influenced country in the World today that can boast a first world standard of living... :eyebrow:

To add to the lit: Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Sun May 18, 2014 8:29 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:The 24% unemployment rate is sooo convincing... :roll:

The resorts generally do not open during Winter-Spring which is right now. A lot of people work there too.

So what? If you guys have to smuggle cigarettes from neighbouring Gibraltar just to make a Euro, then there is something seriously seriously wrong...
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Sun May 18, 2014 8:31 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Name me one Spanish speaking or influenced country in the World today that can boast a first world standard of living... :eyebrow:

To add to the lit: Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy.

The Netherlands beat up Spain as you can remember, Belgium has three national languages none of them Spanish, Italy has a very corrupt Government with an over 11% unemployment rate and France strikes all the time, plus they're French not Spanish...
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Postby Geilinor » Sun May 18, 2014 8:32 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:To add to the lit: Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy.

The Netherlands beat up Spain as you can remember, Belgium has three national languages none of them Spanish, Italy has a very corrupt Government with an over 11% unemployment rate and France strikes all the time, plus they're French not Spanish...

You said Spanish-influenced.
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun May 18, 2014 8:34 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:The resorts generally do not open during Winter-Spring which is right now. A lot of people work there too.

So what? If you guys have to smuggle cigarettes from neighbouring Gibraltar just to make a Euro, then there is something seriously seriously wrong...

Four euros a pack to be correct. I admit we are lazy, but would you rather slave away for six or so Euros an hour doing manual labour or will you sell fifty packs and earn as much as the other guy's three day's worth of work.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Sun May 18, 2014 8:37 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:The Netherlands beat up Spain as you can remember, Belgium has three national languages none of them Spanish, Italy has a very corrupt Government with an over 11% unemployment rate and France strikes all the time, plus they're French not Spanish...

You said Spanish-influenced.

How are the French, Italians, Belgians and Dutch influenced by Spain? I mean two out of four of those countries are already jokes but if you must remember the. Netherlands and Belgium kicked Spain out 500 years ago, hardly influencing if you ask me, plus they had their own culture up there just as the Germans had as-well...
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Postby Emilio Aguinaldo » Sun May 18, 2014 8:37 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:
Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:To add to the lit: Netherlands, Belgium, France, Italy.

1.The Netherlands beat up Spain as you can remember, 2. Belgium has three national languages none of them Spanish, Italy has a very corrupt Government with an over 11% unemployment rate and 4. France strikes all the time, plus they're French not Spanish...

1. Logistic problems, but still owned for quite a while. If we were beat up then why did it take them 80 years?
2. See above
3. Duchy of Milan. I think even you guys would be envious of Italian healthcare. Italy corrupt? Yes, says the pot to the kettle.
4. Most Filipinos I know complain about being called by their bosses after 6pm.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Sun May 18, 2014 8:38 pm

Emilio Aguinaldo wrote:
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:So what? If you guys have to smuggle cigarettes from neighbouring Gibraltar just to make a Euro, then there is something seriously seriously wrong...

Four euros a pack to be correct. I admit we are lazy, but would you rather slave away for six or so Euros an hour doing manual labour or will you sell fifty packs and earn as much as the other guy's three day's worth of work.

Still seriously seriously wrong...
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