Nigeria denies fundamental rights to homosexuals

[Britanno]

This is horrific, but not surprising.

[Swedish Realm]

#Neutral

That's your point of view. Once two nations begin to be trading and diplomatic partners you really don't have any other choice but to engage in diplomatic action and flex your military muscle if you are a more powerful nation and the weaker nation does not comply.

Diplomacy, that is the answer.

[Luveria]

This is horrific, but not surprising.

The only thing surprising about it is the extreme apathy over at the UN.

[Swedish Realm]

This is horrific, but not surprising.

The only thing surprising about it is the extreme apathy over at the UN.

Eh, their too busy trying to ban fucking Zwarte Piet in the Netherlands. And you know what? Most of the Dutch do not want it banned? Time to call in the troops, am i rite?

[Luveria]

The only thing surprising about it is the extreme apathy over at the UN.

Eh, their too busy trying to ban fucking Zwarte Piet in the Netherlands.

That's because it involves race instead of LGBT rights. LGBT rights have never realistically been much of a concern for the UN.

[Magna Libero]

This is horrific, but not surprising.

The only thing surprising about it is the extreme apathy over at the UN.

Alright, how should the UN respond? How does the UN know any better than Nigeria what morality the society in Nigeria wishes to legislate?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's your point of view. Once two nations begin to be trading and diplomatic partners you really don't have any other choice but to engage in diplomatic action and flex your military muscle if you are a more powerful nation and the weaker nation does not comply.

Diplomacy, that is the answer.

I mean "flex your military muscle" as just showing them your military might and that you can crush them if they don't comply.

militarism should be left only as the last recourse of action. If you can win them over by diplomacy then that is great, if not next comes economic sanctions and immigration restrictions, and so on and so forth until the last thing you have is threaten with military action.

[Luveria]

The only thing surprising about it is the extreme apathy over at the UN.

Eh, their too busy trying to ban fucking Zwarte Piet in the Netherlands. And you know what? Most of the Dutch do not want it banned? Time to call in the troops, am i rite?

If you want to. It's your call.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Social Democracy was probably someone or other going "Hey, this socialism idea is great, guys, but how about we don't do the whole 'dictatorship of the proletariat' schtick?"

He proceeded to be kicked out of the DDR.

I'm also coming at it from a British Perspective.

Where welfare is, in essence, a Conservative plot to defeat the communists.
I'm not shitting you. It's the same as when we saw the Republicans in Europe overthrowing monarchies and decided holy shit. I guess we'd better become slightly more democratic.

Are you saying that Attlee was a Conservative?



Anyway, as to the topic. anything more than economic sanctions is a waste of time and effort, not to mention that an intervention would be a) extremely unpopular and b) really hypocritical. given that there are several 'better' targets.

[Ostroeuropa]

This is horrific, but not surprising.

The only thing surprising about it is the extreme apathy over at the UN.

Not really. The project was doomed as soon as we let the USSR in.

[Luveria]

The only thing surprising about it is the extreme apathy over at the UN.

Alright, how should UN respond? How does the UN know any better than Nigeria what morality the society in Nigeria wishes to legislate?

Don't even try this. If Nigeria doesn't agree with the UDHR, they should not have signed it.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Eh, their too busy trying to ban fucking Zwarte Piet in the Netherlands. And you know what? Most of the Dutch do not want it banned? Time to call in the troops, am i rite?

The UN?

[Swedish Realm]

Diplomacy, that is the answer.

I mean "flex your military muscle" as just showing them your military might and that you can crush them if they don't comply.

militarism should be left only as the last recourse of action. If you can win them over by diplomacy then that is great, if not next comes economic sanctions and immigration restrictions, and so on and so forth until the last thing you have is threaten with military action.

Just threaten them into submission? I see what you're getting at, but nobody has to die.

[Luveria]

The only thing surprising about it is the extreme apathy over at the UN.

Not really. The project was doomed as soon as we let the USSR in.

It is not too late to fix it by cracking down on the bad eggs like Nigeria.

[Vadorva]

Laws should not represent personal dislikes

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Alright, how should UN respond? How does the UN know any better than Nigeria what morality the society in Nigeria wishes to legislate?

Don't even try this. If Nigeria doesn't agree with the UDHR, they should not have signed it.

This.

The UDHR is International Law. And between International Law and National Law, International Declarations and Law trumps over National Law.

[Estado Paulista]

Do provide examples of who has been saying Nigerians are ignorant savages.

And those who want to bring those very same bigots to Western shores.

And we should reject their refugees.

Well, a politically correct, watered down version would be replacing the nation of Nigeria with a new nation based on a different culture.

His closet xenophobia amuses me. Like, seriously, I cannot believe someone can honestly be like that.

[Swedish Realm]

Eh, their too busy trying to ban fucking Zwarte Piet in the Netherlands. And you know what? Most of the Dutch do not want it banned? Time to call in the troops, am i rite?

The UN?

Aye.

[Luveria]

Do provide examples of who has been saying Nigerians are ignorant savages.

And those who want to bring those very same bigots to Western shores.

And we should reject their refugees.

Well, a politically correct, watered down version would be replacing the nation of Nigeria with a new nation based on a different culture.

His closet xenophobia amuses me. Like, seriously, I cannot believe someone can honestly be like that.

Okay, so one person.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I mean "flex your military muscle" as just showing them your military might and that you can crush them if they don't comply.

militarism should be left only as the last recourse of action. If you can win them over by diplomacy then that is great, if not next comes economic sanctions and immigration restrictions, and so on and so forth until the last thing you have is threaten with military action.

Just threaten them into submission? I see what you're getting at, but nobody has to die.

Pretty much. If the Nigerian government wants to disregard the threat and force us to go to war, any casualties from that point on is on them, and the winning country/ies can ask for reparations. However, threatening to go to war is enough to make most nations comply if your nation is a more powerful one and they disregard any other diplomatic solutions.

[Magna Libero]

Alright, how should UN respond? How does the UN know any better than Nigeria what morality the society in Nigeria wishes to legislate?

Don't even try this. If Nigeria doesn't agree with the UDHR, they should not have signed it.

Repeal or reform it. It's just that simple. Maybe there is a new political party in office or new political times.

[Luveria]

Don't even try this. If Nigeria doesn't agree with the UDHR, they should not have signed it.

Repeal or reform it. It's just that simple. Maybe there is a new political party in office or new political times.

Wrong. If Nigeria wishes to keep flagrantly violating international agreements they are sworn to adhere to, they can leave the UN.

[Luveria]

Just threaten them into submission? I see what you're getting at, but nobody has to die.

Pretty much. If the Nigerian government wants to disregard the threat and force us to go to war, any casualties from that point on is on them, and the winning country/ies can ask for reparations. However, threatening to go to war is enough to make most nations comply if your nation is a more powerful one.

We should probably station a few aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines off their coast for good measure.

[Magna Libero]

Diplomacy, that is the answer.

I mean "flex your military muscle" as just showing them your military might and that you can crush them if they don't comply.

militarism should be left only as the last recourse of action. If you can win them over by diplomacy then that is great, if not next comes economic sanctions and immigration restrictions, and so on and so forth until the last thing you have is threaten with military action.

Are you serious? This would be like nuke Monaco or something, because they have banned smoking in public areas.

[Luveria]

And the hunt for LGBT Nigerians has begun, with even intersex people being rounded up to be processed for summary execution.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/world/africa/nigeria-anti-gay-law-arrests/

Lagos, Nigeria (CNN) -- Nigerian authorities arrested 10 people believed to be gay men under a bill signed this week that bans same-sex marriages, rights groups said.
Police detained men in various states and have dozens of pending arrests based on perceived sexual orientation, according to Amnesty International.

"Reports that the police in one state are apparently drawing up lists of members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex community to target are extremely worrying," said Makmid Kamara, a researcher for the rights group.

In Bauchi state, the rights group said police placed "a list of suspected gay people" under surveillance. The group said police arrested the men in Anambra, Enugu, Imo and Oyo states.
CNN attempts to reach Nigerian police spokesman Frank Mba were unsuccessful.

President Goodluck Jonathan signed the bill Monday after parliament passed it last year, despite international pressure against it.
It bans same-sex marriages and civil unions, and includes sentences of up to 14 years in prison for gay couples. The bill also forbids the operation of gay clubs, societies or meetings in Nigeria. The punishment for such acts is 10 years in prison.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry joined the United Nations in condemning the bill.
"This law dangerously restricts freedom of assembly, association and expression for all Nigerians," Kerry said. "People everywhere deserve to live in freedom and equality. No one should face violence or discrimination for who they are or who they love."

U.N. chief Ban Ki-moon expressed concerns, saying he was alarmed by reports of arrests and torture. He said he fears the bill will lead to violence and discrimination. .
Last month, the Ugandan parliament passed controversial legislation that would make some gay acts punishable by life in prison. President Yoweri Museveni has not signed it yet.

Homosexuality is illegal in most African nations based on remnants of sodomy laws introduced during the British colonial era. The laws are perpetuated by cultural and religious beliefs.
Punishments across the continent range from fines to years in prison.

Last year, a Pew Research Center report found African and Muslim nations are the least accepting of homosexuality.
Of the 39 countries surveyed, Nigeria was the most intolerant. At least 98% of respondents in the nation said homosexuality is unacceptable.