Nigeria denies fundamental rights to homosexuals

[Risottia]

WW2 wasnt because of the HOLOCAUST. Jesus what world history class did you take. Germany started punishment of the Jews in the 1930's, America declared war because it was attacked on a major naval base by the Empire of Japan. On that day Germany and Italy declared war on the US. Germany invaded poland in 1939, thats what started WW2.

I don't like the cut of your jib.
1) Punishment? Really? Punishment implies they did something wrong.
2) The United States was already supporting the Allies with supplies and equipment, including the 'ebul godless communists' of the U.S.S.R.
3) WW2 can easily be attributed to the failure of the Allies to intervene against Hitler at the right time.

Eh.

I'd go further and state that the Munich betrayal (which is what basically gave Hitler the idea that France and Britain would have done nothing even had he invaded Poland) was already the consequence of the Society of Nations lowering their collective pants to Italy and Japan when they attacked Ethiopia and China respectively.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Let the German citizens and the Jews handle the holocaust, it isn't our fight.

WW2 wasnt because of the HOLOCAUST. Jesus what world history class did you take. Germany started punishment of the Jews in the 1930's, America only declared war because it was attacked on a major naval base by the Empire of Japan. On that day Germany and Italy declared war on the US. Germany invaded poland in 1939, thats what started WW2.

Actually, the U.S. and in particular Franklin Roosevelt wanted to go to war as early as 1939. The delay of the U.S. was because the population was harshly anti-war. Then he saw Japan as a good scapegoat and started to play with them until they were forced to attack Pearl Harbor. In other words Roosevelt wanted the attack on Pearl Harbor as an excuse to enter the war.

The Holocaust was revealed in 1945 and stopped swiftly. After that the Nuremberg Trials started which was the last vestige of the World War 2 era, to prevent the Holocaust from happening again.

[Luveria]

I see you forget South Africa had severe economic sanctions against it.

Not sure how you saw that, considering I simply said they abandoned apartheid without the presence of the USMC in their capital. If this is you finally putting to rest the military occupation idea, good I'll take it.

My question is this; Nigeria gets hit with sanctions. They ignore it. Another African country decides to start killing LGBT people. What then? Sanctions against both? Even when a third African country decides to join in on the LGBT killings?

[Olivaero]

That's like 3.3 milllion people... thats 30+% of the population of Sweden.

So you think we should go over there right? Yeah, let's not say we did. Like I said, let them handle their problems.

If one person in Sweden was threatening to say... bomb Stockholm with lets say a suitcase nuke, would you agree to stopping them? If yes, then why just because it's not a single person but a state that's said "okay we're going to kill or imprison large parts of population" should we not stop them?

[United Misotheist]

I will take a guess you want the UN to do nothing?

Believe it or not, doing nothing is a lot better than making something worse. The last I checked, I'm pretty sure SA abandoned apartheid without the presence of the USMC in their capital.

But why wasnt there intervention in South Africa during Apartheid? Thats a violation of human rights? Just admit that because these people are gay you all up in arms. If it was catholics, muslims, or protestants you wouldnt care. You only care because gay people are being oppressed. Another part of this whole liberal game.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Believe it or not, doing nothing is a lot better than making something worse. The last I checked, I'm pretty sure SA abandoned apartheid without the presence of the USMC in their capital.

But why wasnt there intervention in South Africa during Apartheid? Thats a violation of human rights? Just admit that because these people are gay you all up in arms. If it was catholics, muslims, or protestants you wouldnt care. You only care because gay people are be oppressed. Another part of this whole liberal game.

Lmao.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you think we should go over there right? Yeah, let's not say we did. Like I said, let them handle their problems.

If one person in Sweden was threatening to say... bomb Stockholm with lets say a suitcase nuke, would you agree to stopping them? If yes, then why just because it's not a single person but a state that's said "okay we're going to kill or imprison large parts of population" should we not stop them?

Large parts of our population based on arbitrary and irrelevant criteria.

[Divair]

Isn't that called the centre-left?

The centre-left is a term people use to describe conservatives who realized other conservatives were going a little nuts.

I'm a conservative? Well then.

[The New Lowlands]

Believe it or not, doing nothing is a lot better than making something worse. The last I checked, I'm pretty sure SA abandoned apartheid without the presence of the USMC in their capital.

But why wasnt there intervention in South Africa during Apartheid? Thats a violation of human rights? Just admit that because these people are gay you all up in arms. If it was catholics, muslims, or protestants you wouldnt care. You only care because gay people are be oppressed. Another part of this whole liberal game.

That's honestly just not true. And extremely hypocritical.

[Luveria]

Believe it or not, doing nothing is a lot better than making something worse. The last I checked, I'm pretty sure SA abandoned apartheid without the presence of the USMC in their capital.

But why wasnt there intervention in South Africa during Apartheid? Thats a violation of human rights? Just admit that because these people are gay you all up in arms. If it was catholics, muslims, or protestants you wouldnt care. You only care because gay people are be oppressed. Another part of this whole liberal game.

You are comparing it to another situation. Nice try.

South Africa was the only one with Apartheid. It had a large domestic movement wanting to end Apartheid. The sanctions made that possible.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The centre-left is a term people use to describe conservatives who realized other conservatives were going a little nuts.

I'm a conservative? Well then.

Seems like I am a conservative too.

I was lied to all these years

[The New Lowlands]

Isn't that called the centre-left?

The centre-left is a term people use to describe conservatives who realized other conservatives were going a little nuts.

But I'm not a dirty libernazifazipants! D:

[Ostroeuropa]

The centre-left is a term people use to describe conservatives who realized other conservatives were going a little nuts.

I'm a conservative? Well then.

Think about it.
No, seriously, think about it.

[Luveria]

I'm a conservative? Well then.

Seems like I am a conservative too.

I was lied to all these years

Lets all start calling ourselves conservatives so everyone who screams "Liberal" at us is wasting their time.

[Divair]

I'm a conservative? Well then.

Seems like I am a conservative too.

I was lied to all these years

I thought I was a social democrat, but apparently not.

I'm a conservative? Well then.

Think about it.
No, seriously, think about it.

I thought about it. I shrugged and took a sip of tea. Now what?

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm a conservative? Well then.

Seems like I am a conservative too.

I was lied to all these years

I've come at this from a previously communist perspective, so it may be a little warped.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Not sure how you saw that, considering I simply said they abandoned apartheid without the presence of the USMC in their capital. If this is you finally putting to rest the military occupation idea, good I'll take it.

My question is this; Nigeria gets hit with sanctions. They ignore it. Another African country decides to start killing LGBT people. What then? Sanctions against both? Even when a third African country decides to join in on the LGBT killings?

Well let me answer it with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Africa We aren't really at the start, this is just the latest in a series.

Regardless of the Nigerian government's position, if you live in the north, you'll be executed by a roving death squad of hardcore islamists for being gay. The same is true of roving death squads through all areas of Africa where there is no strong presence of law enforcement.

[Lost heros]

Believe it or not, doing nothing is a lot better than making something worse. The last I checked, I'm pretty sure SA abandoned apartheid without the presence of the USMC in their capital.

But why wasnt there intervention in South Africa during Apartheid? Thats a violation of human rights? Just admit that because these people are gay you all up in arms. If it was catholics, muslims, or protestants you wouldnt care. You only care because gay people are being oppressed. Another part of this whole liberal game.

Except I would. You shouldn't make generalizations.

[United Misotheist]

But why wasnt there intervention in South Africa during Apartheid? Thats a violation of human rights? Just admit that because these people are gay you all up in arms. If it was catholics, muslims, or protestants you wouldnt care. You only care because gay people are be oppressed. Another part of this whole liberal game.

You are comparing it to another situation. Nice try.

South Africa was the only one with Apartheid. It had a large domestic movement wanting to end Apartheid. The sanctions made that possible.

But if it was catholics, muslims, or protestants being oppressed would you care as much as you do about gays? Would you start a war for them?

[Olivaero]

Seems like I am a conservative too.

I was lied to all these years

I thought I was a social democrat, but apparently not.

Tbf Social Democracy has been the status quo for quite a while now in the western world...

[The New Lowlands]

You are comparing it to another situation. Nice try.

South Africa was the only one with Apartheid. It had a large domestic movement wanting to end Apartheid. The sanctions made that possible.

But if it was catholics, muslims, or protestants being oppressed would you care as much as you do about gays? Would you start a war for them?

Duh.

[Divair]

You are comparing it to another situation. Nice try.

South Africa was the only one with Apartheid. It had a large domestic movement wanting to end Apartheid. The sanctions made that possible.

But if it was catholics, muslims, or protestants being oppressed would you care as much as you do about gays? Would you start a war for them?

Duh.

[Luveria]

My question is this; Nigeria gets hit with sanctions. They ignore it. Another African country decides to start killing LGBT people. What then? Sanctions against both? Even when a third African country decides to join in on the LGBT killings?

Well let me answer it with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Africa We aren't really at the start, this is just the latest in a series.

Regardless of the Nigerian government's position, if you live in the north, you'll be executed by a roving death squad of hardcore islamists for being gay. The same is true of roving death squads through all areas of Africa where there is no strong presence of law enforcement.

The problem is that if Nigeria is allowed to illegally worsen LGBT rights, what is to stop other African countries from taking the next step and also legislating unconstitutional death penalties against their LGBT citizens?

[Divair]

I thought I was a social democrat, but apparently not.

Tbf Social Democracy has been the status quo for quite a while now in the western world...

Not really. I'm talking Nordic model style social democracy. Not what I like to call "social democracy lite".

[Luveria]

You are comparing it to another situation. Nice try.

South Africa was the only one with Apartheid. It had a large domestic movement wanting to end Apartheid. The sanctions made that possible.

But if it was catholics, muslims, or protestants being oppressed would you care as much as you do about gays? Would you start a war for them?

Yes.