Nigeria denies fundamental rights to homosexuals

[Swedish Realm]

No, that will just end up killing innocents.

Funny, that. You should explain to the Nigerian government that they are killing innocent LGBT people.

So we should just fight fire with worse fire, yes?

[Ostroeuropa]

It would be for the best. There is an obligation to guide democracies to adhering to a minimum standard of human rights.

So after invading, costing who knows how many innocent civilians' lives and damaging the already-shit reputation of LGBT people in Nigeria, we leave, and rather than state-sponsored violence we get violence by private citizens. Remind me how this is a solution?

Private citizens can be arrested by the government of Nigeria for violence against other private citizens.
There is no solution other than boxing up the creeps or warring at them.
That the war becomes one of Nigerian Government VS Nigerian Homophobes instead of UN Vs Nigeria, is no concern of mine, though i'd be happy to send aid.

[United Misotheist]

These aren't 'fascists.' Nigeria is a democracy; this isn't like liberating North Korea or Cuba or Belarus, where you'll be displacing a small oligarchy or a dictator, where the people are much more inclined to be nice and democratic, this is the people implementing a law which they approve of. Intervening will merely incite violence on a larger, unofficial scale.

I'll be honest with you, I don't know for certain. Economic improvement might, or might not; increased education might, or might not. What I am reasonably sure of is that going in guns blazing is going to have the exact opposite effect of that intended.

It might not help the nigerians.
But what it will do is sufficiently stem the tide.
You wont see other nations thinking they can get away with this shit.

You know what I am so sick of liberals sitting behind their computer and convincing themselves they call the shots. Our troops go through alot, and liberals, communist, your all alike, all you want is international intervention and war. War causes suffering and death, more people would die than they are now. War would make things worse. It is such a small minority its not worth it. Gays make up a very small portion of Nigeria, I mean its not worth it. We should take diplomatic route, negotiate with them. Negotitian should be our priority not war, I mean you just want to see Nigeria suffer because of your own liberal agenda.

[G-Tech Corporation]

It is especially problematic for AIDS relief groups trying to help LGBT Nigerians, as that is considered a "meeting". Effectively, international groups are barred from distributing any medical help to LGBT Nigerians under fear of being jailed.

That is unfortunate. Even so, as I mentioned earlier, a more sensible interpretation of the law would to prohibit meetings of two or more LGBT Nigerians who are meeting due to their LGBT nature; that is how prohibition of assembly laws are categorically interpreted, and would leave ample room for assembly of LGBT persons in Nigeria for reasons aside from their sexual orientation, such as political rallies, healthcare reasons, family events, etc. which would cover the distribution of AIDS relief supplies. The law as it stands now could, by straight verbiage, be used to arrest and imprison everyone in a political rally that happened to include two LGBT individuals, but I sincerely doubt you will see it utilized in such a manner; if it is, that would obviously be a gross abuse of the law's purpose.

[Blackledge]

So we should send the troops, right? No, that is fucking stupid.

We don't need any boots on the ground. Drones and cruise missiles will do nicely.

It's time to fight for their right to party be homosexuals.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This is a good point.

Sending troops to Nigeria will have us investing at least 2 - 5 years at the very least in there.

It would be for the best. There is an obligation to guide democracies to adhering to a minimum standard of human rights.

Just like we did in Iraq, right.

Remind me how that was such a good idea?

[Swedish Realm]

What do you mean?

It's very comfy to ignore how Nigeria is behaving towards its gay citizens in the same way apartheid-times South Africa behaved towards its non-white citizens.

What I mean is, let them handle on their own, we need to worry about our own affairs.

[Luveria]

It might not help the nigerians.
But what it will do is sufficiently stem the tide.
You wont see other nations thinking they can get away with this shit.

You know what I am so sick of liberals sitting behind their computer and convincing themselves they call the shots. Our troops go through alot, and liberals, communist, your all alike, all you want is international intervention and war. War causes suffering and death, more people would die than they are now. War would make things worse. It is such a small minority its not worth it. Gays make up a very small portion of Nigeria, I mean its not worth it. We should take diplomatic route, negotiate with them. Negotitian should be our priority not war, I mean you just want to see Nigeria suffer because of your own liberal agenda.

Huh, a totalitarian giving an anti-war sermon but only when it's because he doesn't want LGBT rights restored?

[Ostroeuropa]

It might not help the nigerians.
But what it will do is sufficiently stem the tide.
You wont see other nations thinking they can get away with this shit.

You know what I am so sick of liberals sitting behind their computer and convincing themselves they call the shots. Our troops go through alot, and liberals, communist, your all alike, all you want is international intervention and war. War causes suffering and death, more people would die than they are now. War would make things worse. It is such a small minority its not worth it. Gays make up a very small portion of Nigeria, I mean its not worth it. We should take diplomatic route, negotiate with them. Negotitian should be our priority not war, I mean you just want to see Nigeria suffer because of your own liberal agenda.

Sure man, i'll take you seriously after seeing your sig.

"Oh shit, your serious!? We can talk this out!"
"Anti: LGBT, Communism, Democracy, Labor Unions, Capitalism, Gun Rights, Illegal Drugs, Multi-Party State, and Libertarianism."
Sounds hilarious to me man.

[Swedish Realm]

We don't need any boots on the ground. Drones and cruise missiles will do nicely.

It's time to fight for their right to party be homosexuals.

Exactly, let them handle it, let pull a revolution or something. Europe and North America need to just stay out.

[Ostroeuropa]

It would be for the best. There is an obligation to guide democracies to adhering to a minimum standard of human rights.

Just like we did in Iraq, right.

Remind me how that was such a good idea?

It was a good idea executed poorly.
Which is almost worse than being a bad idea.

[The New Lowlands]

So after invading, costing who knows how many innocent civilians' lives and damaging the already-shit reputation of LGBT people in Nigeria, we leave, and rather than state-sponsored violence we get violence by private citizens. Remind me how this is a solution?

i) Private citizens can be arrested by the government of Nigeria for violence against other private citizens.
There is no solution other than boxing up the creeps or warring at them.
ii) That the war becomes one of Nigerian Government VS iii) Nigerian Homophobes instead of UN Vs Nigeria, is no concern of mine, though i'd be happy to send aid.

i) You're assuming they'll be capable of this after getting the shit bombed out of them.
ii) You're also assuming the government would try to stop them.
iii) AKA most of the electorate.

[Olivaero]

It's very comfy to ignore how Nigeria is behaving towards its gay citizens in the same way apartheid-times South Africa behaved towards its non-white citizens.

What I mean is, let them handle on their own, we need to worry about our own affairs.

There affairs are our affairs because they are human too.

[Luveria]

It would be for the best. There is an obligation to guide democracies to adhering to a minimum standard of human rights.

Just like we did in Iraq, right.

Remind me how that was such a good idea?

It was. Saddam was removed. He was bad for regional stability.

It is especially problematic for AIDS relief groups trying to help LGBT Nigerians, as that is considered a "meeting". Effectively, international groups are barred from distributing any medical help to LGBT Nigerians under fear of being jailed.

That is unfortunate. Even so, as I mentioned earlier, a more sensible interpretation of the law would to prohibit meetings of two or more LGBT Nigerians who are meeting due to their LGBT nature; that is how prohibition of assembly laws are categorically interpreted, and would leave ample room for assembly of LGBT persons in Nigeria for reasons aside from their sexual orientation, such as political rallies, healthcare reasons, family events, etc. which would cover the distribution of AIDS relief supplies. The law as it stands now could, by straight verbiage, be used to arrest and imprison everyone in a political rally that happened to include two LGBT individuals, but I sincerely doubt you will see it utilized in such a manner; if it is, that would obviously be a gross abuse of the law's purpose.

The UN has already expressed concerns about AIDS relief to LGBT Nigerians. The Nigerian government is refusing to budge. They very well know what they are doing. This makes it an international health issue as the Nigerian government is using AIDS as a passive weapon to eradicate its LGBT citizens.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So after invading, costing who knows how many innocent civilians' lives and damaging the already-shit reputation of LGBT people in Nigeria, we leave, and rather than state-sponsored violence we get violence by private citizens. Remind me how this is a solution?

Private citizens can be arrested by the government of Nigeria for violence against other private citizens.
There is no solution other than boxing up the creeps or warring at them.
That the war becomes one of Nigerian Government VS Nigerian Homophobes instead of UN Vs Nigeria, is no concern of mine, though i'd be happy to send aid.

Well this is grand.

You obviously have no idea how the aftermath of war works. Homophobes are not going to go against their government. Oh no, they will hate and make life miserable for LGBT people down in Nigeria, and then you just say "fuck them, we did our job, we showed the world. Good fucking job everyone" while we will hear more cases about LGBT people getting killed or raped.

[United Misotheist]

You know what I am so sick of liberals sitting behind their computer and convincing themselves they call the shots. Our troops go through alot, and liberals, communist, your all alike, all you want is international intervention and war. War causes suffering and death, more people would die than they are now. War would make things worse. It is such a small minority its not worth it. Gays make up a very small portion of Nigeria, I mean its not worth it. We should take diplomatic route, negotiate with them. Negotitian should be our priority not war, I mean you just want to see Nigeria suffer because of your own liberal agenda.

Huh, a totalitarian giving an anti-war sermon but only when it's because he doesn't want LGBT rights restored?

I am a anti-war because liberals are using this an excuse to go in to a country, destroy through war, then establish a puppet government. War is not the answer, diplomacy is the answer. The liberal agenda needs to stop.

[Swedish Realm]

It might not help the nigerians.
But what it will do is sufficiently stem the tide.
You wont see other nations thinking they can get away with this shit.

You know what I am so sick of liberals sitting behind their computer and convincing themselves they call the shots. Our troops go through alot, and liberals, communist, your all alike, all you want is international intervention and war. War causes suffering and death, more people would die than they are now. War would make things worse. It is such a small minority its not worth it. Gays make up a very small portion of Nigeria, I mean its not worth it. We should take diplomatic route, negotiate with them. Negotitian should be our priority not war, I mean you just want to see Nigeria suffer because of your own liberal agenda.

You're right, diplomacy might be the key. Going to fight in a country to save like 2 percent of the population is fucking pointless. Left wingers show too much compassion for the LGBT community and not their military. I highly doubt our troops want to be sent out to fight for 2 percent a nation.

[Luveria]

Huh, a totalitarian giving an anti-war sermon but only when it's because he doesn't want LGBT rights restored?

I am a anti-war because liberals are using this an excuse to go in to a country, destroy through war, then establish a puppet government. War is not the answer, diplomacy is the answer. The liberal agenda needs to stop.

Nah, you're anti-war only when you want any excuse to see LGBT people exterminated.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Just like we did in Iraq, right.

Remind me how that was such a good idea?

It was a good idea executed poorly.
Which is almost worse than being a bad idea.

It was a complete failure and a political vacuum which more radicals could take up for grabs, which forced us to spend almost a decade there you mean.

[The New Lowlands]

You know what I am so sick of liberals sitting behind their computer and convincing themselves they call the shots. Our troops go through alot, and liberals, communist, your all alike, all you want is international intervention and war. War causes suffering and death, more people would die than they are now. War would make things worse. It is such a small minority its not worth it. Gays make up a very small portion of Nigeria, I mean its not worth it. We should take diplomatic route, negotiate with them. Negotitian should be our priority not war, I mean you just want to see Nigeria suffer because of your own liberal agenda.

You're right, diplomacy might be the key. Going to fight in a country to save like 2 percent of the population is fucking pointless. Left wingers show too much compassion for the LGBT community and not their military. I highly doubt our troops want to be sent out to fight for 2 percent a nation.

What else did they sign up for?

[Ostroeuropa]

Private citizens can be arrested by the government of Nigeria for violence against other private citizens.
There is no solution other than boxing up the creeps or warring at them.
That the war becomes one of Nigerian Government VS Nigerian Homophobes instead of UN Vs Nigeria, is no concern of mine, though i'd be happy to send aid.

Well this is grand.

You obviously have no idea how the aftermath of war works. Homophobes are not going to go against their government. Oh no, they will hate and make life miserable for LGBT people down in Nigeria, and then you just say "fuck them, we did our job, we showed the world. Good fucking job everyone" while we will hear more cases about LGBT people getting killed or raped.

If I could turn them into Liberals overnight I would.
We can't uproot their culture, it has to grow organically.
What we CAN do is trim it if it gets out of line.

[Luveria]

It was a good idea executed poorly.
Which is almost worse than being a bad idea.

It was a complete failure and a political vacuum which more radicals could take up for grabs, which forced us to spend almost a decade there you mean.

You're missing the point that a warmongering dictator is often very bad for regional stability, just as Nigeria refusing to allow LGBT citizens to get AIDs treatment is creating an international health situation that needs to be addressed.

[The New Lowlands]

Huh, a totalitarian giving an anti-war sermon but only when it's because he doesn't want LGBT rights restored?

I am a anti-war because liberals are using this an excuse to go in to a country, destroy through war, then establish a puppet government. War is not the answer, diplomacy is the answer. The liberal agenda needs to stop.

You know that liberals predominantly oppose war and imperialism, right?
Puppet states are generally on the other side of the spectrum.

[Olivaero]

Huh, a totalitarian giving an anti-war sermon but only when it's because he doesn't want LGBT rights restored?

I am a anti-war because liberals are using this an excuse to go in to a country, destroy through war, then establish a puppet government. War is not the answer, diplomacy is the answer. The liberal agenda needs to stop.

Are you just using liberal to mean "people who support democracy" here? It doesn't really make sense any other way.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Just like we did in Iraq, right.

Remind me how that was such a good idea?

It was. Saddam was removed. He was bad for regional stability.

It was our worst failure in the history of foreign intervention as well.

Imagine that, an asshole of a dictator keeping political stability within the country and keeping Iran under check. Who would have thought?