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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:16 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Divair wrote:No, it's your delusional opinion against a mountain of evidence.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms

Posting the same list twice doesn't make you anymore right than me. It only proves that your convinced that your point is correct and mine is wrong simply because you have more guys saying your right. Once again, 70% of the world believes that evolution is still a joke. Those who promote are, unsurprisingly, atheists and those not impressed with creationism (meaning you can still be religious and believe in evolution). Once again, your not going to convince me you are right and vise verse. Get over it.

You didn't even read them, did you?
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:16 pm

Luveria wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:I didn't threadjack. The morons trying to prove homosexuality was natural did. Besides, if I tried to get back on point, I'd be accused to running away from the point. Kinda difficult position you see.


Why are you flaming?

Because the guys above calling me "stupid, uninformed, ignorant" and a host of other things have flamed. Of course, I hold to my stance that I didn't flame.
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Postby Aeken » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:16 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Aeken wrote:The fact that you refuse to accept anything and constantly throw out fallacies and go so far to flame is really just making your argument look stupid and uninformed.

I'd much rather remain "stupid and uninformed" than drop my beliefs and run with the crowd. And I'm not the one flaming. The previous group have done all of the accusing and insulting at this point.

You'd rather keep ahold of beliefs that are unproven? And yes, you called everyone who said homosexuality was natural morons.

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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:16 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Posting the same list twice doesn't make you anymore right than me. It only proves that your convinced that your point is correct and mine is wrong simply because you have more guys saying your right. Once again, 70% of the world believes that evolution is still a joke. Those who promote are, unsurprisingly, atheists and those not impressed with creationism (meaning you can still be religious and believe in evolution). Once again, your not going to convince me you are right and vise verse. Get over it.

You didn't even read them, did you?

Kinda hard to do that and talk to you at the same time.
You don't have to like me, and I certainly don't have to like you.
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Postby Divair » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:17 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Liriena wrote:You didn't even read them, did you?

Kinda hard to do that and talk to you at the same time.

Then stop whining and go read. Get back to us in a few hours.

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Postby San » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:17 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Why are you flaming?

Because the guys above calling me "stupid, uninformed, ignorant" and a host of other things have flamed. Of course, I hold to my stance that I didn't flame.

calling people on the site morons = flaming
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:17 pm

HelloMyNameIsBob1 wrote:I kinda hate the gay law or something like that but think for a second god put a girl and a boy on this earth right? Right So do Adam cheat on Eve with other man because he gay? NO God made he love Eve but think on another side the love with in you is you no other but it kinda lean on one side or the other side

What the...
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:17 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Liriena wrote:You didn't even read them, did you?

Kinda hard to do that and talk to you at the same time.

Refute every single one of them. Then you can talk.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:18 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Liriena wrote:You didn't even read them, did you?

Kinda hard to do that and talk to you at the same time.


Then sit down and read each link. Then explain the scientific problems with those sources.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:18 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Liriena wrote:You didn't even read them, did you?

Kinda hard to do that and talk to you at the same time.

We can wait while you read. In fact, I could use a coffee break myself.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby San » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:18 pm

HelloMyNameIsBob1 wrote:I kinda hate the gay law or something like that but think for a second god put a girl and a boy on this earth right? Right So do Adam cheat on Eve with other man because he gay? NO God made he love Eve but think on another side the love with in you is you no other but it kinda lean on one side or the other side

adam and steve and madam and eve
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:18 pm

Aeken wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:I'd much rather remain "stupid and uninformed" than drop my beliefs and run with the crowd. And I'm not the one flaming. The previous group have done all of the accusing and insulting at this point.

You'd rather keep ahold of beliefs that are unproven? And yes, you called everyone who said homosexuality was natural morons.

I called them morons for the reason that they believe making demands and insults would grace me into accepting their views. That's why I could them morons. At this point, I no longer care as I stated before you can't change my views and i can't change your's. I'd very much like to get back on topic since as I stated about an hour ago, I can't fight all of you by myself.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:19 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Why are you flaming?

Because the guys above calling me "stupid, uninformed, ignorant" and a host of other things have flamed. Of course, I hold to my stance that I didn't flame.


You did flame.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=260044

San wrote:
HelloMyNameIsBob1 wrote:I kinda hate the gay law or something like that but think for a second god put a girl and a boy on this earth right? Right So do Adam cheat on Eve with other man because he gay? NO God made he love Eve but think on another side the love with in you is you no other but it kinda lean on one side or the other side

adam and steve and madam and eve


Both.

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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:19 pm

Divair wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Kinda hard to do that and talk to you at the same time.

Then stop whining and go read. Get back to us in a few hours.

Coming from the guy whining about me not accepting his views. Precious. :rofl:
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Postby San » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:20 pm

Luveria wrote:
San wrote:adam and steve and madam and eve


Both.

or any other combination thereof is generally fine
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Postby San » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:20 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Divair wrote:Then stop whining and go read. Get back to us in a few hours.

Coming from the guy whining about me not accepting his views. Precious. :rofl:

if you're not going to debate like a big boy and read the sources refuting your claims, then why're you here?
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:20 pm

Luveria wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Because the guys above calling me "stupid, uninformed, ignorant" and a host of other things have flamed. Of course, I hold to my stance that I didn't flame.


You did flame.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=260044

Insults equal flaming, meaning the guys above also flamed.
You don't have to like me, and I certainly don't have to like you.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:20 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Divair wrote:Then stop whining and go read. Get back to us in a few hours.

Coming from the guy whining about me not accepting his views. Precious. :rofl:


Are you going to read the sources or not?

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San wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Coming from the guy whining about me not accepting his views. Precious. :rofl:

if you're not going to debate like a big boy and read the sources refuting your claims, then why're you here?

For attention.

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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:21 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
You did flame.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=260044

Insults equal flaming, meaning the guys above also flamed.


You know where the moderation forum is if you wish to make a report.

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Postby San » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:21 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
You did flame.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=260044

Insults equal flaming, meaning the guys above also flamed.

"but he did it too!!!!!!" isn't a valid excuse. Just like murdering in retaliation is still murder in the eyes of the law.
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:22 pm

San wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Coming from the guy whining about me not accepting his views. Precious. :rofl:

if you're not going to debate like a big boy and read the sources refuting your claims, then why're you here?

I'm quite sure I just spent the last hour debating like a big boy. But I can't convince you of that since you support them making me that whiner by default. I see. Well I'm gonna bounce. No point in wasting anyone's time on this.
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Postby San » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:22 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
San wrote:if you're not going to debate like a big boy and read the sources refuting your claims, then why're you here?

I'm quite sure I just spent the last hour debating like a big boy. But I can't convince you of that since you support them making me that whiner by default. I see. Well I'm gonna bounce. No point in wasting anyone's time on this.

and you're refusing to read the sources why, then?

because the evidence is so strong and so numerous that your arguments become more invalid than technically possible?
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:24 pm

Luveria wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Insults equal flaming, meaning the guys above also flamed.


You know where the moderation forum is if you wish to make a report.

As do you.
You don't have to like me, and I certainly don't have to like you.
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Postby Gravlen » Sat Jan 18, 2014 4:24 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Not really. Accept that you're wrong, and get back on topic.

It doesn't matter if homosexuality is natural or not, there's no reason to punish it. If it's natural, there's no reason to punish what to consentual adults choose to do. If it is unnatural, punishment is the wrong way to go as it serves no purpose.

I'm not going to accept that I'm wrong on evolution. That's a matter of fact you'd best accept right now for future reference. And I never said to punish homosexuality. Your putting words in my mouth.

No, I'm on topic. As in, showing that it's off-topic to continue on about evolution since it doesn't matter either way whether homosexuality is natural or not. The Nigerian laws aren't justified either way.
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