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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:10 pm

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Animals lack sapience, law, culture, morals, religion, and run on instinct. Animals are animals. That's why we call them animals. I suppose if humans were eating one another because animals did, that would be natural too?

You're saying peoplelack sapience, law, culture, morals, religion, and run on instinct?

No you are. Your the one who supporting the belief that because animals have sex with the same gender, that means its perfectly okay for humans to do the same. Your the one who supports comparing us to animals, not me. I'm saying that because we aren't animals, having sex with the same gender is clearly wrong and unnatural. Humans aren't animals.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:10 pm

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Liriena wrote:Thanks for utterly disregarding the established historical fact that LGBT people were, throughout history, imprisoned, tortured, raped and killed throughout the world, and in many countries still are. Thanks for disregarding the thousands of LGBT people who were killed alongside Jews and Romani during the Holocaust, or those that perished under the hands of the Church during the Middle Ages and the European colonization of America and the Pacific. Thank you very fucking much.

Yes. Tens of thousands of gays and lesbians compared to the millions of Jews and tens of millions of Africans killed over the same period of time. And I'm not entirely sure there were that many gays in the Americas and Pacific. I've heard of the tiny fringe culture that numbered in the hundreds that permitted such behavior. That is another interesting fact. If homosexuality was so "natural", why were so many cultures, even the more enlightened ones, so opposed to it. Surely they understood that two men or two women having sex with one another was wrong. Children know its wrong off the bat. My cousins (younger than 12) all said it was wrong and their parents said nothing about it to them before that.


Tens of thousands of LGBT people? Where are you getting these bullshit numbers?

Are you fucking serious? I could say "why were some cultures, advanced ones, anti black, or anti Jew?"
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:10 pm

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San wrote:not quite, luv

It was a simplification.

Do you really want to be sticking your penis in the hole babies come out of...? :unsure:
*shudders*

I've seen people criticizing urethral sounding as extremely dangerous.

That was before I saw a video in x *pet rodent* where a guy inserted his... in it in a woman in a really amateur video and she didn't scream of pain. :shock:
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:10 pm

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Luveria wrote:You know that women urinate from their vaginas right?

No, they don't. :?

But they menstruate, and the vagina has far, far, far, far, far more microbial flora than the urethra or the inside of a foreskin.


Great, now I'll have to think of a bacterial swamp whenever I go for it. Thanks man :lol:
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:10 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:You're saying peoplelack sapience, law, culture, morals, religion, and run on instinct?

No you are. Your the one who supporting the belief that because animals have sex with the same gender, that means its perfectly okay for humans to do the same. Your the one who supports comparing us to animals, not me.

Not my point. Are you saying humans aren't animals?
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:11 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:You're saying peoplelack sapience, law, culture, morals, religion, and run on instinct?

No you are. Your the one who supporting the belief that because animals have sex with the same gender, that means its perfectly okay for humans to do the same. Your the one who supports comparing us to animals, not me.


You're saying humans aren't animals. We are animals.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:11 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Luveria wrote:It was a simplification.

Do you really want to be sticking your penis in the hole babies come out of...? :unsure:
*shudders*

I've seen people criticizing urethral sounding as extremely dangerous.

That was before I saw a video in x *pet rodent* where a guy inserted his... in it in a woman in a really amateur video and she didn't scream of pain. :shock:


I've heard of her. :p
She accomplished that by lots of routine stretching. Impressive.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:11 pm

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:No, they don't. :?

But they menstruate, and the vagina has far, far, far, far, far more microbial flora than the urethra or the inside of a foreskin.

Even worse, sticking your rod where blood comes out of once a month...

To be frank, I find it kind of appealing.
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:12 pm

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Vashta Nerada wrote:Yes. Tens of thousands of gays and lesbians compared to the millions of Jews and tens of millions of Africans killed over the same period of time. And I'm not entirely sure there were that many gays in the Americas and Pacific. I've heard of the tiny fringe culture that numbered in the hundreds that permitted such behavior. That is another interesting fact. If homosexuality was so "natural", why were so many cultures, even the more enlightened ones, so opposed to it. Surely they understood that two men or two women having sex with one another was wrong. Children know its wrong off the bat. My cousins (younger than 12) all said it was wrong and their parents said nothing about it to them before that.


Tens of thousands of LGBT people? Where are you getting these bullshit numbers?

Are you fucking serious? I could say "why were some cultures, advanced ones, anti black, or anti Jew?"

You'll have to clarify.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:12 pm

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The Scientific States wrote:
Tens of thousands of LGBT people? Where are you getting these bullshit numbers?

Are you fucking serious? I could say "why were some cultures, advanced ones, anti black, or anti Jew?"

You'll have to clarify.


You said "some culture, enlightened ones, hated gays." Those same cultures hated anyone who wasn't of their skin color, their ethnicity etc. So, unless you hate minorities, your argument is invalid.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:13 pm

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Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:No, they don't. :?

But they menstruate, and the vagina has far, far, far, far, far more microbial flora than the urethra or the inside of a foreskin.

Great, now I'll have to think of a bacterial swamp whenever I go for it. Thanks man :lol:

Everything in the human body with a sexy smell is a bacterial swamp. :P
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:13 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Luveria wrote:Even worse, sticking your rod where blood comes out of once a month...

To be frank, I find it kind of appealing.


I suppose it does work as a natural lubrication if you're short on synthetic ones.

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Tens of thousands of LGBT people? Where are you getting these bullshit numbers?

Are you fucking serious? I could say "why were some cultures, advanced ones, anti black, or anti Jew?"

You'll have to clarify.


Do you really believe there are only tens of thousands of LGBT people instead of millions being oppressed daily?
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:13 pm

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Unitaristic Regions wrote:Great, now I'll have to think of a bacterial swamp whenever I go for it. Thanks man :lol:

Everything in the human body with a sexy smell is a bacterial swamp. :P


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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:13 pm

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Vashta Nerada wrote:No you are. Your the one who supporting the belief that because animals have sex with the same gender, that means its perfectly okay for humans to do the same. Your the one who supports comparing us to animals, not me.


You're saying humans aren't animals. We are animals.

Animals eat one another and kill eat other in the millions. Humans don't. We know that both are wrong and actively work to stop it. I think that's a major difference in the human vs. animal debate.
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Postby Marcurix » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:13 pm

[quote="Vashta Nerada";p="18451913"
Yes. Tens of thousands of gays and lesbians compared to the millions of Jews and tens of millions of Africans killed over the same period of time. [/quote]

Oh, I'm sorry it's a numbers game now?
And I'm not entirely sure there were that many gays in the Americas and Pacific.


Hard to tell, given you'd be killed and such if you came out. But who really wants to look at the very common occurrences on ships and such, and pirates.

I've heard of the tiny fringe culture that numbered in the hundreds that permitted such behavior. That is another interesting fact. If homosexuality was so "natural", why were so many cultures, even the more enlightened ones, so opposed to it.


Rome wasn't, Ancient China wasn't, the Celts weren't, I could go on.

Surely they understood that two men or two women having sex with one another was wrong.


How is it wrong?
Children know its wrong off the bat. My cousins (younger than 12) all said it was wrong and their parents said nothing about it to them before that.


Because children are all knowing.
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Postby San » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:13 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:I'm saying that because we aren't animals, having sex with the same gender is clearly wrong and unnatural.

Your logic is astoundingly poor.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:14 pm

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You're saying humans aren't animals. We are animals.

Animals eat one another and kill eat other in the millions. Humans don't. We know that both are wrong and actively work to stop it. I think that's a major difference in the human vs. animal debate.


Newsflash: Humans are animals.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:14 pm

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Furious Grandmothers wrote:You're saying peoplelack sapience, law, culture, morals, religion, and run on instinct?

No you are. Your the one who supporting the belief that because animals have sex with the same gender, that means its perfectly okay for humans to do the same. Your the one who supports comparing us to animals, not me. I'm saying that because we aren't animals, having sex with the same gender is clearly wrong and unnatural. Humans aren't animals.


I provided an example of hundreds of animal species that have same-sex relationships.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:15 pm

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The Scientific States wrote:
You're saying humans aren't animals. We are animals.

Animals eat one another and kill eat other in the millions. Humans don't. We know that both are wrong and actively work to stop it. I think that's a major difference in the human vs. animal debate.


It's a scientific fact that humans are animals. We are the most advanced animal species, the most evolved. We still operate under the same "nature" as animals.

And us humans eat and kill each other in the millions, we eat other animals, "animals" eat other animals.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:16 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:You're saying peoplelack sapience, law, culture, morals, religion, and run on instinct?

No you are. Your the one who supporting the belief that because animals have sex with the same gender, that means its perfectly okay for humans to do the same. Your the one who supports comparing us to animals, not me. I'm saying that because we aren't animals, having sex with the same gender is clearly wrong and unnatural. Humans aren't animals.


We are animals.

And if we weren't, that'd somehow make homosexuality unnatural? You just took logic and steamrolled it.
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Postby The Fraticelli Papacy » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:16 pm

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You're saying humans aren't animals. We are animals.

Animals eat one another and kill eat other in the millions. Humans don't. We know that both are wrong and actively work to stop it. I think that's a major difference in the human vs. animal debate.

Eating animals is wrong?
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Postby Aeken » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:16 pm

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You're saying humans aren't animals. We are animals.

Animals eat one another and kill eat other in the millions. Humans don't. We know that both are wrong and actively work to stop it. I think that's a major difference in the human vs. animal debate.

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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:16 pm

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Vashta Nerada wrote:No you are. Your the one who supporting the belief that because animals have sex with the same gender, that means its perfectly okay for humans to do the same. Your the one who supports comparing us to animals, not me. I'm saying that because we aren't animals, having sex with the same gender is clearly wrong and unnatural. Humans aren't animals.


I provided an example of hundreds of animal species that have same-sex relationships.


And one of those species, is our species.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:17 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
You're saying humans aren't animals. We are animals.

Animals eat one another and kill eat other in the millions. Humans don't. We know that both are wrong and actively work to stop it. I think that's a major difference in the human vs. animal debate.


Are you serious?

You've never heard of the agricultural industry?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:17 pm

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Liriena wrote:Thanks for utterly disregarding the established historical fact that LGBT people were, throughout history, imprisoned, tortured, raped and killed throughout the world, and in many countries still are. Thanks for disregarding the thousands of LGBT people who were killed alongside Jews and Romani during the Holocaust, or those that perished under the hands of the Church during the Middle Ages and the European colonization of America and the Pacific. Thank you very fucking much.

Yes. Tens of thousands of gays and lesbians compared to the millions of Jews and tens of millions of Africans killed over the same period of time.

Once more you are shifting the goalposts... on top of appealing to numbers.

Vashta Nerada wrote:And I'm not entirely sure there were that many gays in the Americas and Pacific.

So what?

Vashta Nerada wrote:I've heard of the tiny fringe culture that numbered in the hundreds that permitted such behavior.

You mean China, Rome, Greece, Japan and India? Yeah, really tiny fringe cultures.

Vashta Nerada wrote:That is another interesting fact.

That you haven't done your research? Yes, quite interesting.

Vashta Nerada wrote:If homosexuality was so "natural", why were so many cultures, even the more enlightened ones, so opposed to it.

Disregarding the fact that these "so many cultures" were not that many... sexism, really. Also, even an enlightened culture can be wrong about certain matters. The Romans and the Greeks wholeheartedly embraced slavery and, in Rome's case, a particularly cruel form of patriarchy.

Vashta Nerada wrote:Surely they understood that two men or two women having sex with one another was wrong.

Rome, Greece, China, Japan and India? Not quite.
Others, sure, they believed it was wrong... due to "arguments" that turned out to be wrong.

Vashta Nerada wrote:Children know its wrong off the bat. My cousins (younger than 12) all said it was wrong and their parents said nothing about it to them before that.

Anecdotal "evidence" is pretty much worthless. You're gonna need a better source.
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