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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:43 pm

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Vashta Nerada wrote:Your the one who said I did. Funny how those who are pro-gay twist what others say to make it seem like they hate gays, when the latter said nothing of the sort. When somebody views my life the same way by saying "I loathe you," then yes, Liriena's life as less valuable than my own. Not because Liriena is gay, but because he "loathes" me. I don't waste an ounce of energy thinking about such people.

That I loathe you doesn't mean I see you as less valuable a person. I'd still be very much willing to lend you a hand if you needed it someday. All I mean when I say I loathe you is that I feel a general disdain on the basis of certain character traits, while I remain open to changing my mind if I find you to actually be a decent person.

Also, hasty generalizations are not kosher, and neither is not actually responding to a refutation.

Also, I'm pretty sure most LGBT people don't loathe you, so why don't you care? Why would it take (another) LGBT holocaust for you to care for their suffering?
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Postby Ile Tobi » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:43 pm

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Ile Tobi wrote:This thread is going in circle.It's going no where and i should have left a while ago.Time for me to leave this monster.


It's not a circle. Every few pages someone shows up being ignorant of how Nigeria signed the UDHR.

well that sounds like it going back to a set point.When said person shows up then it's back to original start then.

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What nigeria did violates it's constitution and UN rights it signed and is just the presidents way of winning votes in next election and i don't personally agree with it but invading is too drastic and at best we can do nothing about it.

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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:44 pm

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Liriena wrote:I am kinda gay, sweetie. :P


Being bisexual is different than being gay.

Your a dude likes girls and dudes. That's just being gay but with girls. Same thing.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:44 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Oh my...

If Nigeria has a problem with the UDHR then why won't they leave the UN? Why is Nigeria still officially agreeing with the UDHR and violating every part of it?

Perhaps for the same reason that "upright and moral" United States signed a host of treaties and broke a gain of them for personal gain. Oh, I don't know.

Tu quoque is not a proper argument.
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Postby Aeken » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:44 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Oh my...

If Nigeria has a problem with the UDHR then why won't they leave the UN? Why is Nigeria still officially agreeing with the UDHR and violating every part of it?

Perhaps for the same reason that "upright and moral" United States signed a host of treaties and broke a gain of them for personal gain. Oh, I don't know.

Fallacy right there.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:46 pm

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Unitaristic Regions wrote:
You can enforce them without armed conflict!


No, that is not possible.


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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:47 pm

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Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:(sorry, I can't quote a post if it is too long)

Who are these individuals that the drones will target?



Is Nigeria capable of defending against cruise missiles?

Lobbing a few cruise missiles at a location will not win a war.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:47 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Luveria wrote:
No, that is not possible.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/100924712

It's botched. It's imperfect. But it works.


The laws itself cannot be enforced without the use of armed conflict. One or two incidents in which it was resolved without armed conflict is only that. It does not change how in other situations force is required to reverse transgressions or force is required as an ever present threat discouraging violations. The statement that it is not possible to enforce laws without force is a true one.

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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:48 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Is Nigeria capable of defending against cruise missiles?

Lobbing a few cruise missiles at a location will not win a war.


It's not a war. It's an intervention.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:49 pm

Luveria wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100924712

It's botched. It's imperfect. But it works.


The laws itself cannot be enforced without the use of armed conflict. One or two incidents in which it was resolved without armed conflict is only that. It does not change how in other situations force is required to reverse transgressions or force is required as an ever present threat discouraging violations. The statement that it is not possible to enforce laws without force is a true one.


You can arrest someone who steals a bike without sending in three tanks.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:51 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Luveria wrote:
The laws itself cannot be enforced without the use of armed conflict. One or two incidents in which it was resolved without armed conflict is only that. It does not change how in other situations force is required to reverse transgressions or force is required as an ever present threat discouraging violations. The statement that it is not possible to enforce laws without force is a true one.


You can arrest someone who steals a bike without sending in three tanks.


Arresting them requires force or the threat of force. Otherwise there is nothing making them cooperate.

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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:51 pm

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Liriena wrote:That I loathe you doesn't mean I see you as less valuable a person. I'd still be very much willing to lend you a hand if you needed it someday. All I mean when I say I loathe you is that I feel a general disdain on the basis of certain character traits, while I remain open to changing my mind if I find you to actually be a decent person.

Also, hasty generalizations are not kosher, and neither is not actually responding to a refutation.

Also, I'm pretty sure most LGBT people don't loathe you, so why don't you care? Why would it take (another) LGBT holocaust for you to care for their suffering?

Well then I recant my previous statement. But my view is that two guys sticking parts of their body into the other's waste disposal system is both wrong and unnatural. Just because you love something doesn't make it right. People love animals, kids, relatives and inanimate objects romantically. Doesn't make it right. Homosexuality is the same thing, only difference is that more people support it. I don't. Also, on the latter part, the LGBT community likens their "struggle" to that of the Jews and African Americans, who actually suffered under a major event that justified their plight. The LGBT's community's only card is that their adults who consent to having a sexual or romantic relationship with one another, and its more similar to a standard marriage. Combine that with the fact they've been shoving their views down the world's throat (no pun intended) for the last fifty years, and get the Western perception that homosexuality is perfectly okay.
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Postby San » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:51 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Being bisexual is different than being gay.

Your a dude likes girls and dudes. That's just being gay but with girls. Same thing.

nah
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:52 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Perhaps for the same reason that "upright and moral" United States signed a host of treaties and broke a gain of them for personal gain. Oh, I don't know.

Tu quoque is not a proper argument.

It is a proper argument. Both signed and broke treaties that they were bound too, and neither care much for global reaction to it.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:52 pm

Luveria wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
You can arrest someone who steals a bike without sending in three tanks.


Arresting them requires force or the threat of force. Otherwise there is nothing making them cooperate.


Yes, but there's a difference between guarding your borders to enforce sanctions and bombing them to shit.

Anyways, I feel like this thread is grinding to a halt. Shall we conclude soon?
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Postby San » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:52 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Liriena wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure most LGBT people don't loathe you, so why don't you care? Why would it take (another) LGBT holocaust for you to care for their suffering?

Well then I recant my previous statement. But my view is that two guys sticking parts of their body into the other's waste disposal system is both wrong and unnatural. Just because you love something doesn't make it right. People love animals, kids, relatives and inanimate objects romantically. Doesn't make it right. Homosexuality is the same thing, only difference is that more people support it. I don't. Also, on the latter part, the LGBT community likens their "struggle" to that of the Jews and African Americans, who actually suffered under a major event that justified their plight. The LGBT's community's only card is that their adults who consent to having a sexual or romantic relationship with one another, and its more similar to a standard marriage. Combine that with the fact they've been shoving their views down the world's throat (no pun intended) for the last fifty years, and get the Western perception that homosexuality is perfectly okay.

so i take it you're fine with lesbians?
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:54 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Being bisexual is different than being gay.

Your a dude likes girls and dudes. That's just being gay but with girls. Same thing.


I like more than just those things. Hybrids are especially tasty.

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Postby Jamjai » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:54 pm

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Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:Lobbing a few cruise missiles at a location will not win a war.


It's not a war. It's an intervention.

that will cause UN to come
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:54 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Liriena wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure most LGBT people don't loathe you, so why don't you care? Why would it take (another) LGBT holocaust for you to care for their suffering?

Well then I recant my previous statement. But my view is that two guys sticking parts of their body into the other's waste disposal system is both wrong and unnatural. Just because you love something doesn't make it right. People love animals, kids, relatives and inanimate objects romantically. Doesn't make it right. Homosexuality is the same thing, only difference is that more people support it. I don't. Also, on the latter part, the LGBT community likens their "struggle" to that of the Jews and African Americans, who actually suffered under a major event that justified their plight. The LGBT's community's only card is that their adults who consent to having a sexual or romantic relationship with one another, and its more similar to a standard marriage. Combine that with the fact they've been shoving their views down the world's throat (no pun intended) for the last fifty years, and get the Western perception that homosexuality is perfectly okay.


http://lovematters.in/en/news/anal-sex-top-five-facts

Sorry man. Anal seems to be a pleasurable form of sex, doesn't seem very unnatural to me.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:54 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Liriena wrote:Tu quoque is not a proper argument.

It is a proper argument. Both signed and broke treaties that they were bound too, and neither care much for global reaction to it.


Fallacies are not a proper argument here or anywhere else.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:55 pm

Jamjai wrote:
Luveria wrote:
It's not a war. It's an intervention.

that will cause UN to come


They won't. They won't come for anything else, so why would the useless UN suddenly get off its hind end and care now?

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:55 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:Being bisexual is different than being gay.

Your a dude likes girls and dudes. That's just being gay but with girls. Same thing.

And also just being straight but with other guys. Same thing. :lol:
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:55 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Liriena wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure most LGBT people don't loathe you, so why don't you care? Why would it take (another) LGBT holocaust for you to care for their suffering?

Well then I recant my previous statement. But my view is that two guys sticking parts of their body into the other's waste disposal system is both wrong and unnatural. Just because you love something doesn't make it right. People love animals, kids, relatives and inanimate objects romantically. Doesn't make it right. Homosexuality is the same thing, only difference is that more people support it. I don't. Also, on the latter part, the LGBT community likens their "struggle" to that of the Jews and African Americans, who actually suffered under a major event that justified their plight. The LGBT's community's only card is that their adults who consent to having a sexual or romantic relationship with one another, and its more similar to a standard marriage. Combine that with the fact they've been shoving their views down the world's throat (no pun intended) for the last fifty years, and get the Western perception that homosexuality is perfectly okay.


You find it disgusting. Just because you don't like what two consenting men do, you think we should jail them?
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:56 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Well then I recant my previous statement. But my view is that two guys sticking parts of their body into the other's waste disposal system is both wrong and unnatural. Just because you love something doesn't make it right. People love animals, kids, relatives and inanimate objects romantically. Doesn't make it right. Homosexuality is the same thing, only difference is that more people support it. I don't. Also, on the latter part, the LGBT community likens their "struggle" to that of the Jews and African Americans, who actually suffered under a major event that justified their plight. The LGBT's community's only card is that their adults who consent to having a sexual or romantic relationship with one another, and its more similar to a standard marriage. Combine that with the fact they've been shoving their views down the world's throat (no pun intended) for the last fifty years, and get the Western perception that homosexuality is perfectly okay.


http://lovematters.in/en/news/anal-sex-top-five-facts

Sorry man. Anal seems to be a pleasurable form of sex, doesn't seem very unnatural to me.


There are people who consider anal to be more pleasurable than penile or vaginal.

God intended for people to enjoy anal sex or he wouldn't have placed so many pleasurable nerve endings for it.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:57 pm

Luveria wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Your a dude likes girls and dudes. That's just being gay but with girls. Same thing.

I like more than just those things. Hybrids are especially tasty.

I have a thing in special for trans men (who might be offended, thinking I'm a fetishist) and straight men (who will not reply any sentiments in special). :palm:
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