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Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:01 pm**

Keventle wrote:
Norstal wrote:Versus religion? How's this about religion?

religious people (christians) believe marriage is between man and wife. Such as this augment "its Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve"

If two strongly religious gay people believe that they shouldn't be married because of their religious beliefs, I would be a little sad, but it would be fine for them to do that. If gay people began forcing religious people to have gay sex with each other, I would think it was wrong. But if all you have is an opinion, you can't go interfering with other people's lives. Again, fine for Christians and Muslims to not believe gay people marrying is okay, not fine for them to enforce those beliefs on others.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:01 pm**

Keventle wrote:
Norstal wrote:Versus religion? How's this about religion?

religious people (christians) believe marriage is between man and wife. Such as this augment "its Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve"

Oh, and Christians are not all religious people.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:01 pm**

San wrote:
Molsonian Republics wrote:To bad gay people don't use them

i take it you've first hand knowledge?

Wow, that was very mature

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:01 pm**

Blasveck wrote:
Molsonian Republics wrote:To bad gay people don't use them

Erm.

What?

You heard them. Gay people don't wear condoms. Gays have dicks that can't fit any condom size so they don't wear condoms.

*nods*

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:01 pm**

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Keventle wrote:religious people (christians) believe marriage is between man and wife. Such as this augment "its Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve"

Which barely even qualifies as an argument, and can be outright dismissed due to its complete reliance on an old religious text.

And also, even if Adam and Eve did exist (hint: they didn't), the fact that they were man and woman doesn't make homosexual relationships wrong.

Im not fighting for or against same sex. you cant even agree on disagreeing. yes that was a silly example but off the top of my head thats what I have heard

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:02 pm**

Keventle wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Which barely even qualifies as an argument, and can be outright dismissed due to its complete reliance on an old religious text.

And also, even if Adam and Eve did exist (hint: they didn't), the fact that they were man and woman doesn't make homosexual relationships wrong.

Im not fighting for or against same sex. you cant even agree on disagreeing. yes that was a silly example but off the top of my head thats what I have heard

We're not going to agree to disagree, you're just wrong.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:03 pm**

Molsonian Republics wrote:
San wrote:i take it you've first hand knowledge?

Wow, that was very mature

Oh, I try.

But, seriously, how else do you know that zero gay men use protection?

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:03 pm**

Keventle wrote:
Norstal wrote:Buddhists believe marriage is between any human entities. But fuck Buddhists, right?

Still religions vs Civil rights vs religion

Oh so it's okay for Christians suppress other people's religions?

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:03 pm**

Norstal wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Erm.

What?

You heard them. Gay people don't wear condoms. Gays have dicks that can't fit any condom size so they don't wear condoms.

*nods*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f1MumAJTLo

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:04 pm**

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Keventle wrote:religious people (christians) believe marriage is between man and wife. Such as this augment "its Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve"

Oh, and Christians are not all religious people.

well i'm christian myself, I personally am not for or against same sex marriage, so chill a little and again that was what I know off the top of my head.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:04 pm**

Keventle wrote:
Utceforp wrote:Of course, but even religious people must admit that even if holy texts are the Divine Word of God (tm), they're being filtered through not only the original human authors but also translators who aren't perfect, and then said holy book is interpreted in different ways by different people to give legitimacy to often very different opinions. Pope Francis, Martin Luthor King, Fred Phelps and Adolf Hitler all belief(ved) in the same god, and belief(ved) they were doing His will.

Adolf Hitler was a hijacker who didn't practice christianity when he was older. Its like the Muslim terrorists today who hijacked the religion and made it into this propaganda and cult for recruitment of new members. Muslims (real Muslims) will swear to you terrorists are not muslim because suicide is illegal in their religion.

You're just proving my point, which is that it's a bad idea to treat anything religious as the Infallible Word of God, because then you have people like Hitler and Bin Laden who sincerely believe that the horrible things they do are right, and who will use religion as a means to an end to encourage support.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:05 pm**

Keventle wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Which barely even qualifies as an argument, and can be outright dismissed due to its complete reliance on an old religious text.

And also, even if Adam and Eve did exist (hint: they didn't), the fact that they were man and woman doesn't make homosexual relationships wrong.

Im not fighting for or against same sex. you cant even agree on disagreeing. yes that was a silly example but off the top of my head thats what I have heard

Two opposing sides on a controversial issue aren't going to agree to disagree. Nothing will get solved.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:06 pm**

San wrote:
Molsonian Republics wrote:Wow, that was very mature

Oh, I try.

But, seriously, how else do you know that zero gay men use protection?

I'm not saying no gays use condoms, I'm saying most of them don't.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:06 pm**

Norstal wrote:
Keventle wrote:Still religions vs Civil rights vs religion

Oh so it's okay for Christians suppress other people's religions?

nope its not but its the big duel of Religion vs Cvil rights vs. Religion
please do stop putting my words in my mouth to get me mad or angry, or what ever your trying to do. If you believe that its not religious people not wanting same sex marriage then who is? Of course someone is opposing, because this wouldn't be an issue then

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:06 pm**

The Fraticelli Papacy wrote:
decreases the fertility rate

major problems in Nigeria.

Nigeria has many problems, but I'm pretty sure a dropping fertility rate is not one of them.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:07 pm**

Molsonian Republics wrote:
San wrote:Oh, I try.

But, seriously, how else do you know that zero gay men use protection?

I'm not saying no gays use condoms, I'm saying most of them don't.

Molsonian Republics wrote:To bad gay people don't use them

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:07 pm**

Othelos wrote:
Keventle wrote:Im not fighting for or against same sex. you cant even agree on disagreeing. yes that was a silly example but off the top of my head thats what I have heard

Two opposing sides on a controversial issue aren't going to agree to disagree. Nothing will get solved.

No i'm saying he cant agree on that there is a disagreement

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:07 pm**

Molsonian Republics wrote:
San wrote:Oh, I try.

But, seriously, how else do you know that zero gay men use protection?

I'm not saying no gays use condoms, I'm saying most of them don't.

which is totally why you used the word most.

Oh wait, you didn't! Silly me for not immediately realising that that changes the whole meaning of your post!

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:08 pm**

Molsonian Republics wrote:
San wrote:Oh, I try.

But, seriously, how else do you know that zero gay men use protection?

I'm not saying no gays use condoms, I'm saying most of them don't.

1) That's not what you said.
2) How do you know this? Any evidence?

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:08 pm**

Keventle wrote:
Norstal wrote:Oh so it's okay for Christians suppress other people's religions?

nope its not but its the big duel of Religion vs Cvil rights vs. Religion
please do stop putting my words in my mouth to get me mad or angry, or what ever your trying to do. If you believe that its not religious people not wanting same sex marriage then who is? Of course someone is opposing, because this wouldn't be an issue then

I have a vague feeling that you are not very well versed in world issues.

For one thing, you seem to think that Christianity is the only religion, and that all Christians have the same viewpoint.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:08 pm**

Keventle wrote:
Norstal wrote:Oh so it's okay for Christians suppress other people's religions?

nope its not but its the big duel of Religion vs Cvil rights vs. Religion
please do stop putting my words in my mouth to get me mad or angry, or what ever your trying to do. If you believe that its not religious people not wanting same sex marriage then who is? Of course someone is opposing, because this wouldn't be an issue then

The majority of people opposing same sex marriage are religious, but the majority of religious people do not oppose same sex marriage.

Also, your entire argument seems to boil down to "the small minority of Christians, Muslims and other religious people who support xenophobia and the large majority of religious people and non-religious people who think we should just, you know, be nice to people, are both equally right!"

In other words, this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:08 pm**

Othelos wrote:
Molsonian Republics wrote:I'm not saying no gays use condoms, I'm saying most of them don't.

Molsonian Republics wrote:To bad gay people don't use them

They don't tend to use them.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:08 pm**

Regnum Dominae wrote:2) How do you know this? Any evidence?

He's yet to deny having first hand experience.

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:08 pm**

Molsonian Republics wrote:
Othelos wrote:

They don't tend to use them.

once again not what you said

Posted: **Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:08 pm**

Keventle wrote:
Norstal wrote:Oh so it's okay for Christians suppress other people's religions?

nope its not but its the big duel of Religion vs Cvil rights vs. Religion
please do stop putting my words in my mouth to get me mad or angry, or what ever your trying to do. If you believe that its not religious people not wanting same sex marriage then who is? Of course someone is opposing, because this wouldn't be an issue then

What? So you just post here to point out something so obvious?

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