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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:36 pm

For the record, I do not support military intervention in Nigeria over this. At least not at this point.

Doesn't mean I endorse this legislation, or that I expect no reaction whatsoever from the international community.
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:36 pm

Luveria wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Implying I care what you think or feel.


Is that because you view Liriena's life as less valuable than that of a heterosexual's?

Your the one who said I did. Funny how those who are pro-gay twist what others say to make it seem like they hate gays, when the latter said nothing of the sort. When somebody views my life the same way by saying "I loathe you," then yes, Liriena's life as less valuable than my own. Not because Liriena is gay, but because he "loathes" me. I don't waste an ounce of energy thinking about such people.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:37 pm

Markostania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Ignoring history again, are we?


Don't put words in my mouth, or I swear to the Universe I'll slap the shit out of you all the way from Patagonia. I implied no such thing, so take that despicable dishonesty elsewhere.

Is this flaming?

Ask in moderation.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:37 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Is that because you view Liriena's life as less valuable than that of a heterosexual's?

Your the one who said I did. Funny how those who are pro-gay twist what others say to make it seem like they hate gays, when the latter said nothing of the sort. When somebody views my life the same way by saying "I loathe you," then yes, Liriena's life as less valuable than my own. Not because Liriena is gay, but because he "loathes" me. I don't waste an ounce of energy thinking about such people.



No, I asked a question. I didn't say anything.

And also, Liriena isn't gay...
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:37 pm

(sorry, I can't quote a post if it is too long)

Who are these individuals that the drones will target?

Again, the amount of firepower a drone can carry makes it virtually useless against a standing military. Drones fly when air superiority has been established. You cannot establish air superiority without taking out an enemies defenses.
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Postby Ile Tobi » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:38 pm

Markostania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Ignoring history again, are we?


Don't put words in my mouth, or I swear to the Universe I'll slap the shit out of you all the way from Patagonia. I implied no such thing, so take that despicable dishonesty elsewhere.

Is this flaming?

She/he didn't insult you but threatened to assault you.So no it's not flaming. :p
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Postby YellowApple » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:38 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
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Drones? I think a mere six B-52 Stratofortresses, each armed with at least one thermonuclear bomb, would solve the problem rather quickly.

*puts on sunglasses and polishes the Pip-Boy 3000*

I see you support thermonuclear warfare.


I'd be happy to stand over the glassed remains of Nigeria wearing nothing but a rainbow-colored pith helmet with an aura of homoerotic imperialism ;)

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Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:And what would these drones do? Buzz around and launch a rocket every now and then? I doubt that would scare an enemy into submission.

Drones are not used for strategic bombing. You need one of the three types of strategic bombers in the Air Force to do that.

they'd deliver rainbow flags via amazon prime, silly


I endorse this strategy.

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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:38 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:(sorry, I can't quote a post if it is too long)

Who are these individuals that the drones will target?

Again, the amount of firepower a drone can carry makes it virtually useless against a standing military. Drones fly when air superiority has been established. You cannot establish air superiority without taking out an enemies defenses.


Is Nigeria capable of defending against cruise missiles?

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Postby The Fraticelli Papacy » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:38 pm

Liriena wrote:For the record, I do not support military intervention in Nigeria over this. At least not at this point.

Doesn't mean I endorse this legislation, or that I expect no reaction whatsoever from the international community.

I doubt there will be any reaction worth noting, aside from a "they shouldn't be doing that". It's not exactly an issue of global importance.
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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:39 pm

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No; I am implying that you want to make Nigeria a U.S. puppet state.


I wouldn't mind it but it doesn't need to happen. All that needs to happen is either;

1) Nigeria is forced to stop killing its LGBT minority.

or

2) Nigeria is destabilized into oblivion so no other countries repeat the same violation of international law.

When you start supporting plans to harm tens of millions by "destabilizing into oblivion" because they won't accept what they view as unnatural for the sake of a few thousand people, then your just as bad as they are.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:39 pm

The Fraticelli Papacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:For the record, I do not support military intervention in Nigeria over this. At least not at this point.

Doesn't mean I endorse this legislation, or that I expect no reaction whatsoever from the international community.

I doubt there will be any reaction worth noting, aside from a "they shouldn't be doing that". It's not exactly an issue of global importance.


Violating international law is an issue of global importance.

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Postby Ile Tobi » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:39 pm

This thread is going in circle.It's going no where and i should have left a while ago.Time for me to leave this monster.

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Postby Jamjai » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:39 pm

Luveria wrote:
Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:(sorry, I can't quote a post if it is too long)

Who are these individuals that the drones will target?

Again, the amount of firepower a drone can carry makes it virtually useless against a standing military. Drones fly when air superiority has been established. You cannot establish air superiority without taking out an enemies defenses.


Is Nigeria capable of defending against cruise missiles?

most likely not
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:39 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
I wouldn't mind it but it doesn't need to happen. All that needs to happen is either;

1) Nigeria is forced to stop killing its LGBT minority.

or

2) Nigeria is destabilized into oblivion so no other countries repeat the same violation of international law.

When you start supporting plans to harm tens of millions by "destabilizing into oblivion" because they won't accept what they view as unnatural for the sake of a few thousand people, then your just as bad as they are.


Oh my...

If Nigeria has a problem with the UDHR then why won't they leave the UN? Why is Nigeria still officially agreeing with the UDHR and violating every part of it?

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:39 pm

Liriena wrote:For the record, I do not support military intervention in Nigeria over this. At least not at this point.

Doesn't mean I endorse this legislation, or that I expect no reaction whatsoever from the international community.


So... you actually agree with me?

By the way, I'm sorry for the bigotry you just received.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:40 pm

Jamjai wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Is Nigeria capable of defending against cruise missiles?

most likely not


There we go. We can strike them without them returning anything.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:40 pm

Vashta Nerada wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Is that because you view Liriena's life as less valuable than that of a heterosexual's?

Your the one who said I did. Funny how those who are pro-gay twist what others say to make it seem like they hate gays, when the latter said nothing of the sort. When somebody views my life the same way by saying "I loathe you," then yes, Liriena's life as less valuable than my own. Not because Liriena is gay, but because he "loathes" me. I don't waste an ounce of energy thinking about such people.

That I loathe you doesn't mean I see you as less valuable a person. I'd still be very much willing to lend you a hand if you needed it someday. All I mean when I say I loathe you is that I feel a general disdain on the basis of certain character traits, while I remain open to changing my mind if I find you to actually be a decent person.

Also, hasty generalizations are not kosher, and neither is not actually responding to a refutation.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:41 pm

Ile Tobi wrote:This thread is going in circle.It's going no where and i should have left a while ago.Time for me to leave this monster.


It's not a circle. Every few pages someone shows up being ignorant of how Nigeria signed the UDHR.

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Postby Aeken » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:41 pm

Luveria wrote:
Jamjai wrote:most likely not


There we go. We can strike them without them returning anything.

Going onto the ground would be much more problematic.

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Postby The Fraticelli Papacy » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:41 pm

Luveria wrote:
The Fraticelli Papacy wrote:I doubt there will be any reaction worth noting, aside from a "they shouldn't be doing that". It's not exactly an issue of global importance.


Violating international law is an issue of global importance.

If it was, than worse things than this wouldn't be going on in a lot of countries around the world.
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:41 pm

Liriena wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Your the one who said I did. Funny how those who are pro-gay twist what others say to make it seem like they hate gays, when the latter said nothing of the sort. When somebody views my life the same way by saying "I loathe you," then yes, Liriena's life as less valuable than my own. Not because Liriena is gay, but because he "loathes" me. I don't waste an ounce of energy thinking about such people.

That I loathe you doesn't mean I see you as less valuable a person. I'd still be very much willing to lend you a hand if you needed it someday. All I mean when I say I loathe you is that I feel a general disdain on the basis of certain character traits, while I remain open to changing my mind if I find you to actually be a decent person.

Also, hasty generalizations are not kosher, and neither is not actually responding to a refutation.


I am not impressed with how Vashta called you gay.

Aeken wrote:
Luveria wrote:
There we go. We can strike them without them returning anything.

Going onto the ground would be much more problematic.


That's why I don't want boots on the ground. It's not needed to achieve the objective.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:42 pm

Luveria wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:Your the one who said I did. Funny how those who are pro-gay twist what others say to make it seem like they hate gays, when the latter said nothing of the sort. When somebody views my life the same way by saying "I loathe you," then yes, Liriena's life as less valuable than my own. Not because Liriena is gay, but because he "loathes" me. I don't waste an ounce of energy thinking about such people.



No, I asked a question. I didn't say anything.

And also, Liriena isn't gay...

I am kinda gay, sweetie. :P
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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:42 pm

The Fraticelli Papacy wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Violating international law is an issue of global importance.

If it was, than worse things than this wouldn't be going on in a lot of countries around the world.


Just because X happens too it doesn't mean Y isn't important.

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Postby Luveria » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:42 pm

Liriena wrote:
Luveria wrote:

No, I asked a question. I didn't say anything.

And also, Liriena isn't gay...

I am kinda gay, sweetie. :P


Being bisexual is different than being gay.

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Postby Vashta Nerada » Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:43 pm

Luveria wrote:
Vashta Nerada wrote:When you start supporting plans to harm tens of millions by "destabilizing into oblivion" because they won't accept what they view as unnatural for the sake of a few thousand people, then your just as bad as they are.


Oh my...

If Nigeria has a problem with the UDHR then why won't they leave the UN? Why is Nigeria still officially agreeing with the UDHR and violating every part of it?

Perhaps for the same reason that "upright and moral" United States signed a host of treaties and broke a gain of them for personal gain. Oh, I don't know.
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