US Senate Elections thread, 2014 Edition!

[United States of Natan]

Vitriol and fearmongering has pretty much been the GOP's modus operandi the past few years.

Time to return the favour in kind. Then blame it on the GOP when nothing gets done. Its all their fault.

I'll enjoy that.

Time to return the favour in kind. Then blame it on the GOP when nothing gets done. Its all their fault.

I'm telling you: we need to be careful with that idea. It could backfire on us. I really feel we should give in a bit -- on smaller issues only -- and then say "look how f'ed up their ideas were" when they go splat.

You have a point.

I love how Alabama needs to reaffirm it's citizens' right to bear arms through a ballot measure. As if Alabama was a place where that right is teetering on the verge of abolition.

lol xD

Time to return the favour in kind. Then blame it on the GOP when nothing gets done. Its all their fault.

Both sides have done the fearmongering, really, to drum up their bases. And blaming it all on the GOP is pretty much standard for the left. Nothing new there.

Dems blame it on the GOP because its the GOP's fault, and how else is america supposed to realize that? We blame them because we care.

[Maineiacs]

Time to return the favour in kind. Then blame it on the GOP when nothing gets done. Its all their fault.

I'll enjoy that.

I'm telling you: we need to be careful with that idea. It could backfire on us. I really feel we should give in a bit -- on smaller issues only -- and then say "look how f'ed up their ideas were" when they go splat.

You have a point.

I love how Alabama needs to reaffirm it's citizens' right to bear arms through a ballot measure. As if Alabama was a place where that right is teetering on the verge of abolition.

lol xD

Both sides have done the fearmongering, really, to drum up their bases. And blaming it all on the GOP is pretty much standard for the left. Nothing new there.

Dems blame it on the GOP because its the GOP's fault, and how else is america supposed to realize that? We blame them because we care.

I truly feel that the best thing we Progressives can do is to give the GOP enough rope to hang themselves.

[United States of Natan]

I'll enjoy that.
You have a point.lol xD

Dems blame it on the GOP because its the GOP's fault, and how else is america supposed to realize that? We blame them because we care.

I truly feel that the best thing we Progressives can do is to give the GOP enough rope to hang themselves.

Yeah, I'm hoping this election will show how inefficient and out of touch with america the GOP is, which will pave the way for Dems to take the house and senate back, as well as retain the presidency, in 2016.

[ControlHQ]

I'll enjoy that.
You have a point.lol xD

Dems blame it on the GOP because its the GOP's fault, and how else is america supposed to realize that? We blame them because we care.

I truly feel that the best thing we Progressives can do is to give the GOP enough rope to hang themselves.

Lest we hang ourselves instead.

[ControlHQ]

By the way, what the fuck is going on with Virginia? Has Fairfax County been counted yet?

[Nigerian Kenya]

By the way, what the fuck is going on with Virginia? Has Fairfax County been counted yet?

Virginia is fully counted, and will likely go to a recount.

Warner got what he needed in Fairfax, but massively underperformed in Loudoun and Prince William.

[United States of Natan]

By the way, what the fuck is going on with Virginia? Has Fairfax County been counted yet?

Virginia is fully counted, and will likely go to a recount.

Warner got what he needed in Fairfax, but massively underperformed in Loudoun and Prince William.

speaking of recounts, will the florida gubernatorial election be recounted or have a runoff?

[Maineiacs]

I truly feel that the best thing we Progressives can do is to give the GOP enough rope to hang themselves.

Lest we hang ourselves instead.

Is exactly what I'm saying. Hold firm (up to and including filibustering obstructionism) on a few big issues: Any attempt to roll back Roe v. Wade (e.g. a nationwide personhood bill), any attempt to completely repeal ACA, a nationwide marriage equality ban, and impeachment. Give in a bit on other things -- including immigration. Then let the backlash begin. For one thing, they'll lose what portion of the Latino vote they still have for generations (after Cuban-Americans over 60 pass on).

[Occupied Deutschland]

By the way, what the fuck is going on with Virginia? Has Fairfax County been counted yet?

Virginia decided it was tired of Florida always getting all the attention during election season so it went out, got rip-roaring drunk, and stumbled to its decision through the alcohol-induced haze.

And yes, Fairfax has (finally) been counted. 54.5-43.2 in favor of Warner seems to be the tally.

[ControlHQ]

By the way, what the fuck is going on with Virginia? Has Fairfax County been counted yet?

Virginia is fully counted, and will likely go to a recount.

Warner got what he needed in Fairfax, but massively underperformed in Loudoun and Prince William.

Thanks for the update. I didn't know it was likely to go to recount. I still think Warner might squeak by.

[Barrera]

I would almost certainly vote Democrat.

[Lungtok Gyatso]

Source your objective, speculative bullshit.

Um, when the nation was founded, slaves(who represented the majority of non-whites at the time), women and non-landowners could not vote. You seriously need a source for this? It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Name ONE major nation at the time the United States was founded in which women COULD vote. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Oh, and guess what? Women and non-landowners have been able to vote for a long time now. And there aren't any more slaves either. At least not IN AMERICA.

The genius of the Founding Fathers was that they created a system of government that included a provision--the amendment process--for correcting all those terrible, horrible, awful, miserable, wicked, evil problems you are oh, so concerned about. It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Maybe that's why America-haters and other ultra-extreme-left wingers have such contempt for the Founding Fathers.

[Maineiacs]

Um, when the nation was founded, slaves(who represented the majority of non-whites at the time), women and non-landowners could not vote. You seriously need a source for this? It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Name ONE major nation at the time the United States was founded in which women COULD vote. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Oh, and guess what? Women and non-landowners have been able to vote for a long time now. And there aren't any more slaves either. At least not IN AMERICA.

The genius of the Founding Fathers was that they created a system of government that included a provision--the amendment process--for correcting all those terrible, horrible, awful, miserable, wicked, evil problems you are oh, so concerned about. It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Maybe that's why America-haters and other ultra-extreme-left wingers have such contempt for the Founding Fathers.

Disagreeing with you on issues =/= having contempt for the Founding Fathers. Nice flame, though.

[Jinwoy]

Maybe that's why America-haters and other ultra-extreme-left wingers have such contempt for the Founding Fathers.

That's not why I hate America. IMO its one of its stronger points.

[ControlHQ]

Lest we hang ourselves instead.

Is exactly what I'm saying. Hold firm (up to and including filibustering obstructionism) on a few big issues: Any attempt to roll back Roe v. Wade (e.g. a nationwide personhood bill), any attempt to completely repeal ACA, a nationwide marriage equality ban, and impeachment. Give in a bit on other things -- including immigration. Then let the backlash begin. For one thing, they'll lose what portion of the Latino vote they still have for generations (after Cuban-Americans over 60 pass on).

I'm with you there.

One thing we (fortunately) do not have to fear from a GOP Senate, however, is an ACA repeal. They don't have the 2/3 supermajority required to override an executive veto which the President will surely exercise if such an attempt is made. Besides, the appeal of destroying the ACA (which has already insured 8 million people) is slowly but surely waning.

If even Mitch McConnell is lukewarm on an ACA repeal, it likely won't consume any serious portion of the GOP's agenda for the next two years. And if it does, they're even stupider than I initially thought.

[Dracoria]

I truly feel that the best thing we Progressives can do is to give the GOP enough rope to hang themselves.

Lest we hang ourselves instead.

And then blame the GOP for a lynching.

[Maineiacs]

Is exactly what I'm saying. Hold firm (up to and including filibustering obstructionism) on a few big issues: Any attempt to roll back Roe v. Wade (e.g. a nationwide personhood bill), any attempt to completely repeal ACA, a nationwide marriage equality ban, and impeachment. Give in a bit on other things -- including immigration. Then let the backlash begin. For one thing, they'll lose what portion of the Latino vote they still have for generations (after Cuban-Americans over 60 pass on).

I'm with you there.

One thing we (fortunately) do not have to fear from a GOP Senate, however, is an ACA repeal. They don't have the 2/3 supermajority required to override an executive veto which the President will surely exercise if such an attempt is made. Besides, the appeal of destroying the ACA (which has already insured 8 million people) is slowly but surely waning.

If even Mitch McConnell is lukewarm on an ACA repeal, it likely won't consume any serious portion of the GOP's agenda for the next two years. And if it does, they're even stupider than I initially thought.

It would also be interesting to see if they decide to do anything to minimum wage.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I'm with you there.

One thing we (fortunately) do not have to fear from a GOP Senate, however, is an ACA repeal. They don't have the 2/3 supermajority required to override an executive veto which the President will surely exercise if such an attempt is made. Besides, the appeal of destroying the ACA (which has already insured 8 million people) is slowly but surely waning.

If even Mitch McConnell is lukewarm on an ACA repeal, it likely won't consume any serious portion of the GOP's agenda for the next two years. And if it does, they're even stupider than I initially thought.

It would also be interesting to see if they decide to do anything to minimum wage.

As Republicans have always done, they'll merely work to prevent federal increases.
Any desire or will to lower or repeal minimum wage on the federal level in the Republican party died a half-century ago.

[ControlHQ]

Um, when the nation was founded, slaves(who represented the majority of non-whites at the time), women and non-landowners could not vote. You seriously need a source for this? It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Name ONE major nation at the time the United States was founded in which women COULD vote. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Oh, and guess what? Women and non-landowners have been able to vote for a long time now. And there aren't any more slaves either. At least not IN AMERICA.

The genius of the Founding Fathers was that they created a system of government that included a provision--the amendment process--for correcting all those terrible, horrible, awful, miserable, wicked, evil problems you are oh, so concerned about. It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Maybe that's why America-haters and other ultra-extreme-left wingers have such contempt for the Founding Fathers.

Wut?


This was just an inarticulate apology for some of America's many original sins. We profit from recognizing the ills of our past, even those of the Founding Fathers.

Sweeping our litany of sins under the rug of history and blasting with vitriol those who disagree with you is contrary to progress.

[United States of Natan]

Is exactly what I'm saying. Hold firm (up to and including filibustering obstructionism) on a few big issues: Any attempt to roll back Roe v. Wade (e.g. a nationwide personhood bill), any attempt to completely repeal ACA, a nationwide marriage equality ban, and impeachment. Give in a bit on other things -- including immigration. Then let the backlash begin. For one thing, they'll lose what portion of the Latino vote they still have for generations (after Cuban-Americans over 60 pass on).

I'm with you there.

One thing we (fortunately) do not have to fear from a GOP Senate, however, is an ACA repeal. They don't have the 2/3 supermajority required to override an executive veto which the President will surely exercise if such an attempt is made. Besides, the appeal of destroying the ACA (which has already insured 8 million people) is slowly but surely waning.

If even Mitch McConnell is lukewarm on an ACA repeal, it likely won't consume any serious portion of the GOP's agenda for the next two years. And if it does, they're even stupider than I initially thought.

While it pains me to say this, we probably should let them win on the smaller stuff.

[Miss Defied]

Name ONE major nation at the time the United States was founded in which women COULD vote. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Oh, and guess what? Women and non-landowners have been able to vote for a long time now. And there aren't any more slaves either. At least not IN AMERICA.

The genius of the Founding Fathers was that they created a system of government that included a provision--the amendment process--for correcting all those terrible, horrible, awful, miserable, wicked, evil problems you are oh, so concerned about. It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Maybe that's why America-haters and other ultra-extreme-left wingers have such contempt for the Founding Fathers.

Disagreeing with you on issues =/= having contempt for the Founding Fathers. Nice flame, though.

I know right? Not sure what that rant was all about really.

[Jinwoy]

Um, when the nation was founded, slaves(who represented the majority of non-whites at the time), women and non-landowners could not vote. You seriously need a source for this? It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Name ONE major nation at the time the United States was founded in which women COULD vote. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Oh, and guess what? Women and non-landowners have been able to vote for a long time now. And there aren't any more slaves either. At least not IN AMERICA.

The genius of the Founding Fathers was that they created a system of government that included a provision--the amendment process--for correcting all those terrible, horrible, awful, miserable, wicked, evil problems you are oh, so concerned about. It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Maybe that's why America-haters and other ultra-extreme-left wingers have such contempt for the Founding Fathers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_First_Republic
^Had First Universal Male Suffrage

[ControlHQ]

It would also be interesting to see if they decide to do anything to minimum wage.

As Republicans have always done, they'll merely work to prevent federal increases.
Any desire or will to lower or repeal minimum wage on the federal level in the Republican party died a half-century ago.

I'm not too sure about that.

When people like Joe Barton of the Texas 6th say things like "the minimum wage has outlives its usefulness," I get skeptical of your claim. It's still out there.

[Jinwoy]

Name ONE major nation at the time the United States was founded in which women COULD vote. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Oh, and guess what? Women and non-landowners have been able to vote for a long time now. And there aren't any more slaves either. At least not IN AMERICA.

The genius of the Founding Fathers was that they created a system of government that included a provision--the amendment process--for correcting all those terrible, horrible, awful, miserable, wicked, evil problems you are oh, so concerned about. It's common knowledge. Start with the Constitution.

Maybe that's why America-haters and other ultra-extreme-left wingers have such contempt for the Founding Fathers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_First_Republic
^Had First Universal Male Suffrage

Also,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand got full Suffrage in the early 1890's

[ControlHQ]

I'm with you there.

One thing we (fortunately) do not have to fear from a GOP Senate, however, is an ACA repeal. They don't have the 2/3 supermajority required to override an executive veto which the President will surely exercise if such an attempt is made. Besides, the appeal of destroying the ACA (which has already insured 8 million people) is slowly but surely waning.

If even Mitch McConnell is lukewarm on an ACA repeal, it likely won't consume any serious portion of the GOP's agenda for the next two years. And if it does, they're even stupider than I initially thought.

While it pains me to say this, we probably should let them win on the smaller stuff.

Such as?