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by San Lumen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:08 pm
United States of Natan wrote:San Lumen wrote:Why people don't show up in midterms i don;t understand. people fought and died for the right to vote yet the average voter could care less. People constantly vote against their own interests. It wouldn't surprise me if the GOP passes anti abortion laws, a federal marriage amendment(which won't get the required 67 votes), a national voter id law, blocks all executive nominations, shut down the government several times, and does impeachment trials. I hope they refuse to raise the debt ceiling a default on the debt. They would be ousted from power in a megastsunami that would make tonight look like ripple. Countries in Europe have consistently over 60 percent turnout yet we can barely get to 40? Despicable. The founding fathers would be crying if they they saw so few people voting. There should be a minimum turnout law. If enough people don't turn out to vote the election is invalid.
if the Federal Marriage Amendment did somehow get past congress, I am pretty sure the states would stop it.

by Great Franconia and Verana » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:08 pm
Jordsindia wrote:Great Franconia and Verana wrote:Well being a Senator for 9 years, Secretary of State for 4, First Lady of the USA for 8, And First Lady of Arkansas for 12 makes her quite qualified. She was hardly a trainwreck as Secretary of State.
Plus it's not really a surprise why everyone is interested. She is almost guaranteed, if the polls are correct and if she runs, to be the next Democratic Candidate.
She sucked as Secretary of state, and her being a First Lady should never be a qualification. It's like saying a Scientist's wife could do his job.
To be honest, the only thing going for her is the fact that she may be the first female president.

by Jinwoy » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:09 pm
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Jinwoy wrote:
Look how close she came in 2008 to winning the Democratic nomination.
Now, name one person who stands a chance against her if she decides to run again.
That's too early to call and right now your just stating wishful thinking as if it were insightful political truth...

by ControlHQ » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:09 pm
Lykens wrote:ControlHQ wrote:Really? Sandoval? I dunno, man.
The last Republican Governor to give $1.3 billion in tax breaks to big business got squashed in tonight's general. So long Tom Corbett.
I can finally feel a bit more proud to call Pennsylvania my birth state.
Now to get rid of those damn gerrymandering state legislators.


by Othelos » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:10 pm
Insaeldor wrote:Othelos wrote:I don't know anything about that guy
tea party member, positions on economic & social issues
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sandoval
Here you go

by Threlizdun » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:10 pm
San Lumen wrote:Threlizdun wrote:The founding fathers only allowed landowning white men to vote, so there are a hell of a lot more people voting today than in their time. And yes, people have fought and died for the right to vote, and many people have decided they don't wish to waste their vote on a candidate that they don't support. Not voting is just as political an act as voting, if not more so.
If you don't vote you have no right to complain. People in this country are lazy and don't care and get the government they deserve.

by Lykens » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:10 pm
Lalaki wrote:As I mentioned in the other thread, I hope that this 114th GOP Congress will be centrist and willing to work with the President.
For example, instead of leading campaigns to repeal the Affordable Care Act, perhaps top Congressional leaders and the President can sit down and re-frame the current law to keep what most Americans support and reform what they don't.

by Jinwoy » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:11 pm
Threlizdun wrote:San Lumen wrote:
If you don't vote you have no right to complain. People in this country are lazy and don't care and get the government they deserve.
Bullshit, how could you have no right to complain if you oppose everyone running? Coercing people to vote into the "lesser of the evils" is not an expression of democracy, but an expression of tyranny. If you vote for someone, you better genuinely believe what they are promising and believe they will actually deliver on their promises. I opposed what the candidates running in my state promised and was not going to give my vote to someone I don't want in office. If a candidate wants my vote, they have to earn it. None of them did that, so none of them got it.

by ControlHQ » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:12 pm
Insaeldor wrote:ControlHQ wrote:Really? Sandoval? I dunno, man.
The last Republican Governor to give $1.3 billion in tax breaks to big business got squashed in tonight's general. So long Tom Corbett.
Easily one of the more pragmatic republicans in the U.S.
Fox News is treating Brown as the second coming of Christ after he beat Burke.

by United States of Natan » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:12 pm
Then it's a lie. Everything Fox News says is a lie.
Even true things once said on Fox News become lies.
(Family Guy: Excellence in Broadcasting)

by Othelos » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:12 pm
Insaeldor wrote:Anyone know how prop 2 in Alaska is doing?

by Jordsindia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:13 pm
Myrensis wrote:Jordsindia wrote:Him being Tea Party shouldn't sway your opinion. You act like the Tea Party has one ideology everyone MUST follow.
His economic position is strong, and he has stated that, even though he may not like some social issues, that it should be decided at the state level.
I'm not sure why you think 'it should be decided at the state level' is something that would give him any appeal among people for whom social issues, or most issues in general, are important.
The history of 'State's Rights' in the US isn't really all that inspiring if you don't happen to be a straight white male. Which is presumably why it's such a popular concept among Republicans. Though the historical irony is vastly entertaining.

by San Lumen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:14 pm
Threlizdun wrote:San Lumen wrote:
If you don't vote you have no right to complain. People in this country are lazy and don't care and get the government they deserve.
Bullshit, how could you have no right to complain if you oppose everyone running? Coercing people to vote into the "lesser of the evils" is not an expression of democracy, but an expression of tyranny. If you vote for someone, you better genuinely believe what they are promising and believe they will actually deliver on their promises. I opposed what the candidates running in my state promised and was not going to give my vote to someone I don't want in office. If a candidate wants my vote, they have to earn it. None of them did that, so none of them got it.

by West Aurelia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:15 pm
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by United States of Natan » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:15 pm
Lalaki wrote:As I mentioned in the other thread, I hope that this 114th GOP Congress will be centrist and willing to work with the President.
For example, instead of leading campaigns to repeal the Affordable Care Act, perhaps top Congressional leaders and the President can sit down and re-frame the current law to keep what most Americans support and reform what they don't.
Then it's a lie. Everything Fox News says is a lie.
Even true things once said on Fox News become lies.
(Family Guy: Excellence in Broadcasting)

by San Lumen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:15 pm
Jordsindia wrote:Myrensis wrote:
I'm not sure why you think 'it should be decided at the state level' is something that would give him any appeal among people for whom social issues, or most issues in general, are important.
The history of 'State's Rights' in the US isn't really all that inspiring if you don't happen to be a straight white male. Which is presumably why it's such a popular concept among Republicans. Though the historical irony is vastly entertaining.
There flies the 'racist' words. Look, that is why the federal government is their. The state's can make out of control laws and this can become a problem. That is when the federal government can step in and repeal those laws. Not to mention many states have already passed legalized gay marriage. I doubt ANY state would impose laws that restrict rights from gays. It wont happen like it did in the past.

by Jinwoy » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:15 pm
West Aurelia wrote:Is there a website that displays the results of the elections?

by Miss Defied » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:16 pm
San Lumen wrote:The founding fathers would be crying if they they saw so few people voting.

by United States of Natan » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:16 pm
ControlHQ wrote:Insaeldor wrote:Easily one of the more pragmatic republicans in the U.S.
Fox News is treating Brown as the second coming of Christ after he beat Burke.
Yeah and I'm about ready to vomit at that.
I'm not ready to hang Sandoval or anything, at least he's somewhat sensible. And this is coming from someone who has faith in virtually no Republicans right now.
Then it's a lie. Everything Fox News says is a lie.
Even true things once said on Fox News become lies.
(Family Guy: Excellence in Broadcasting)

by Jinwoy » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:16 pm

by Insaeldor » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:17 pm
Othelos wrote:Insaeldor wrote:Anyone know how prop 2 in Alaska is doing?
0.0% of precincts reporting.
Here's a map: http://www.politico.com/2014-election/r ... Fm_6PnF-Sp

by Lykens » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:17 pm
San Lumen wrote:Jordsindia wrote:There flies the 'racist' words. Look, that is why the federal government is their. The state's can make out of control laws and this can become a problem. That is when the federal government can step in and repeal those laws. Not to mention many states have already passed legalized gay marriage. I doubt ANY state would impose laws that restrict rights from gays. It wont happen like it did in the past.
I wouldn;t put it past them to try to to pass such laws or even a federal marriage amendment.

by Jordsindia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:18 pm
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:Jordsindia wrote:She sucked as Secretary of state, and her being a First Lady should never be a qualification. It's like saying a Scientist's wife could do his job.
To be honest, the only thing going for her is the fact that she may be the first female president.
"Sucked as Secretary of State."
Not really an argument without examples, just your opinion.
And while I admit, First Lady is hardly a qualification, Michelle Obama could not be President, it at least familiarized her with the rules, etiquette, procedures, and level of work a President must bear. Her work as a Senator, and as Secretary of State shows she is not just Bills Wife.
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