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Postby ControlHQ » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:57 pm

Jordsindia wrote:
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:Disappointed, I had hoped the Democrats could at least, at least, tie the Republicans, then Biden could have the tie breaking vote.
I'm just looking forward to the absolute train wreck the 2016 election will be for the GOP. Good ol'Hillary looks like she could wipe the floor with the best the Republicans have.

What are your peoples fascination with Hillary Clinton? What would even qualify her as a president, after her train wreck as Secretary of State, and her indecisive nature and the amount of lies she has told?

I have my problems with Clinton (namely her hawkishness and comfort with Wall Street), but I'd hardly call her tenure a "train wreck."

If Clinton's tenure was a train wreck, God only knows what Condi Rice's was during the Bush years.
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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:57 pm

Jordsindia wrote:
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:Disappointed, I had hoped the Democrats could at least, at least, tie the Republicans, then Biden could have the tie breaking vote.
I'm just looking forward to the absolute train wreck the 2016 election will be for the GOP. Good ol'Hillary looks like she could wipe the floor with the best the Republicans have.

What are your peoples fascination with Hillary Clinton? What would even qualify her as a president, after her train wreck as Secretary of State, and her indecisive nature and the amount of lies she has told?

Well being a Senator for 9 years, Secretary of State for 4, First Lady of the USA for 8, And First Lady of Arkansas for 12 makes her quite qualified. She was hardly a trainwreck as Secretary of State.

Plus it's not really a surprise why everyone is interested. She is almost guaranteed, if the polls are correct and if she runs, to be the next Democratic Candidate.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:58 pm

Why people don't show up in midterms i don;t understand. people fought and died for the right to vote yet the average voter could care less. People constantly vote against their own interests. It wouldn't surprise me if the GOP passes anti abortion laws, a federal marriage amendment(which won't get the required 67 votes), a national voter id law, blocks all executive nominations, shut down the government several times, and does impeachment trials. I hope they refuse to raise the debt ceiling a default on the debt. They would be ousted from power in a megastsunami that would make tonight look like ripple. Countries in Europe have consistently over 60 percent turnout yet we can barely get to 40? Despicable. The founding fathers would be crying if they they saw so few people voting. There should be a minimum turnout law. If enough people don't turn out to vote the election is invalid.

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Postby Jordsindia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:59 pm

Othelos wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:No even Colin Powell (hypothetically) seeing as he's got thirty years governmebt experiance, lots of military experiance, and some fairly liberal social ideals regarding gay marriage and other such things. He's definetly a republican I could vote for, him and Brian Sandavol as well.

I don't know anything about that guy

Jordsindia wrote:You'd vote for her over Rand? Why?

tea party member, positions on economic & social issues

Him being Tea Party shouldn't sway your opinion. You act like the Tea Party has one ideology everyone MUST follow.

His economic position is strong, and he has stated that, even though he may not like some social issues, that it should be decided at the state level.
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Postby Myrensis » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:00 pm

ControlHQ wrote:If Clinton's tenure was a train wreck, God only knows what Condi Rice's was during the Bush years.


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Postby Jordsindia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:Why people don't show up in midterms i don;t understand. people fought and died for the right to vote yet the average voter could care less. People constantly vote against their own interests. It wouldn't surprise me if the GOP passes anti abortion laws, a federal marriage amendment(which won't get the required 67 votes), a national voter id law, blocks all executive nominations, shut down the government several times, and does impeachment trials. I hope they refuse to raise the debt ceiling a default on the debt. They would be ousted from power in a megastsunami that would make tonight look like ripple. Countries in Europe have consistently over 60 percent turnout yet we can barely get to 40? Despicable. The founding fathers would be crying if they they saw so few people voting. There should be a minimum turnout law. If enough people don't turn out to vote the election is invalid.

No, your perception on the evilness of republicans won't happen, sorry.
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Postby ControlHQ » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:00 pm

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United States of Natan wrote:And for now, I'm hoping this will be a wake up call to America about how bad the Republican party really is, and will help elect Hillary in 2016, as well as a blue congress.


Hillary Clinton probably won't be becoming POTUS, she is being set up for a defeat by someone to the left of her within her own party. She'll be seen as too pro-war and will be making mistakes. If she misses 2016, that is pretty much her last chance at it.

Hardly. There is no one to the left or right of her who can best her in the primaries or the general.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a more potent and noted progressive in the White House, but I don't believe anyone can challenge Clinton with a reasonable chance of success.
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Postby Jinwoy » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:The founding fathers would be crying if they they saw so few people voting


The Founding Fathers would be crying at the state of the country today, especially if they learned how the US basically replaced Britain as the world imperialist power that practically stands for everything the revolutionaries fought against.

As for the second part, then only democrats would win the elections and it wouldn't be fair.
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Postby Insaeldor » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:01 pm

Othelos wrote:
Insaeldor wrote:No even Colin Powell (hypothetically) seeing as he's got thirty years governmebt experiance, lots of military experiance, and some fairly liberal social ideals regarding gay marriage and other such things. He's definetly a republican I could vote for, him and Brian Sandavol as well.

I don't know anything about that guy

Jordsindia wrote:You'd vote for her over Rand? Why?

tea party member, positions on economic & social issues

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sandoval

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Postby Jordsindia » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:02 pm

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
Jordsindia wrote:What are your peoples fascination with Hillary Clinton? What would even qualify her as a president, after her train wreck as Secretary of State, and her indecisive nature and the amount of lies she has told?

Well being a Senator for 9 years, Secretary of State for 4, First Lady of the USA for 8, And First Lady of Arkansas for 12 makes her quite qualified. She was hardly a trainwreck as Secretary of State.

Plus it's not really a surprise why everyone is interested. She is almost guaranteed, if the polls are correct and if she runs, to be the next Democratic Candidate.

She sucked as Secretary of state, and her being a First Lady should never be a qualification. It's like saying a Scientist's wife could do his job.

To be honest, the only thing going for her is the fact that she may be the first female president.
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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:03 pm

Myrensis wrote:
ControlHQ wrote:If Clinton's tenure was a train wreck, God only knows what Condi Rice's was during the Bush years.


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No, no, it was this:

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Postby Jinwoy » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:03 pm

Jordsindia wrote:
Great Franconia and Verana wrote:Well being a Senator for 9 years, Secretary of State for 4, First Lady of the USA for 8, And First Lady of Arkansas for 12 makes her quite qualified. She was hardly a trainwreck as Secretary of State.

Plus it's not really a surprise why everyone is interested. She is almost guaranteed, if the polls are correct and if she runs, to be the next Democratic Candidate.

She sucked as Secretary of state, and her being a First Lady should never be a qualification. It's like saying a Scientist's wife could do his job.

To be honest, the only thing going for her is the fact that she may be the first female president.


*She sucked at Secretary of State* is incredibly objective. She'd make a damn fine President. Damn fine.
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Postby Myrensis » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:04 pm

Jordsindia wrote:Him being Tea Party shouldn't sway your opinion. You act like the Tea Party has one ideology everyone MUST follow.

His economic position is strong, and he has stated that, even though he may not like some social issues, that it should be decided at the state level.


I'm not sure why you think 'it should be decided at the state level' is something that would give him any appeal among people for whom social issues, or most issues in general, are important.

The history of 'State's Rights' in the US isn't really all that inspiring if you don't happen to be a straight white male. Which is presumably why it's such a popular concept among Republicans. Though the historical irony is vastly entertaining.

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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:Why people don't show up in midterms i don;t understand. people fought and died for the right to vote yet the average voter could care less. People constantly vote against their own interests. It wouldn't surprise me if the GOP passes anti abortion laws, a federal marriage amendment(which won't get the required 67 votes), a national voter id law, blocks all executive nominations, shut down the government several times, and does impeachment trials. I hope they refuse to raise the debt ceiling a default on the debt. They would be ousted from power in a megastsunami that would make tonight look like ripple. Countries in Europe have consistently over 60 percent turnout yet we can barely get to 40? Despicable. The founding fathers would be crying if they they saw so few people voting. There should be a minimum turnout law. If enough people don't turn out to vote the election is invalid.
The founding fathers only allowed landowning white men to vote, so there are a hell of a lot more people voting today than in their time. And yes, people have fought and died for the right to vote, and many people have decided they don't wish to waste their vote on a candidate that they don't support. Not voting is just as political an act as voting, if not more so.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:05 pm

I'm genuinely surprised that North Dakotans rejected personhood for fetuses by a 28% margin. (64-36)

Coloradans also voted against personhood by about A 28% margin. (64-36)
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Postby ControlHQ » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:05 pm

Insaeldor wrote:
Othelos wrote:I don't know anything about that guy


tea party member, positions on economic & social issues

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sandoval

Here you go

Really? Sandoval? I dunno, man.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:07 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why people don't show up in midterms i don;t understand. people fought and died for the right to vote yet the average voter could care less. People constantly vote against their own interests. It wouldn't surprise me if the GOP passes anti abortion laws, a federal marriage amendment(which won't get the required 67 votes), a national voter id law, blocks all executive nominations, shut down the government several times, and does impeachment trials. I hope they refuse to raise the debt ceiling a default on the debt. They would be ousted from power in a megastsunami that would make tonight look like ripple. Countries in Europe have consistently over 60 percent turnout yet we can barely get to 40? Despicable. The founding fathers would be crying if they they saw so few people voting. There should be a minimum turnout law. If enough people don't turn out to vote the election is invalid.
The founding fathers only allowed landowning white men to vote, so there are a hell of a lot more people voting today than in their time. And yes, people have fought and died for the right to vote, and many people have decided they don't wish to waste their vote on a candidate that they don't support. Not voting is just as political an act as voting, if not more so.


If you don't vote you have no right to complain. People in this country are lazy and don't care and get the government they deserve.

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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:Why people don't show up in midterms i don;t understand. people fought and died for the right to vote yet the average voter could care less. People constantly vote against their own interests. It wouldn't surprise me if the GOP passes anti abortion laws, a federal marriage amendment(which won't get the required 67 votes), a national voter id law, blocks all executive nominations, shut down the government several times, and does impeachment trials. I hope they refuse to raise the debt ceiling a default on the debt. They would be ousted from power in a megastsunami that would make tonight look like ripple. Countries in Europe have consistently over 60 percent turnout yet we can barely get to 40? Despicable. The founding fathers would be crying if they they saw so few people voting. There should be a minimum turnout law. If enough people don't turn out to vote the election is invalid.

if the Federal Marriage Amendment did somehow get past congress, I am pretty sure the states would stop it.
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Postby Neoconstantius » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:07 pm

Illinois went red tonight. About time.
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Postby United States of Natan » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:07 pm

Neoconstantius wrote:Illinois went red tonight. About time.

Noooo!
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:07 pm

Jinwoy wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Hillary Clinton probably won't be becoming POTUS, she is being set up for a defeat by someone to the left of her within her own party. She'll be seen as too pro-war and will be making mistakes. If she misses 2016, that is pretty much her last chance at it.


Look how close she came in 2008 to winning the Democratic nomination.
Now, name one person who stands a chance against her if she decides to run again.


That's too early to call and right now your just stating wishful thinking as if it were insightful political truth...


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Postby Lykens » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:07 pm

ControlHQ wrote:

Really? Sandoval? I dunno, man.

The last Republican Governor to give $1.3 billion in tax breaks to big business got squashed in tonight's general. So long Tom Corbett.

I can finally feel a bit more proud to call Pennsylvania my birth state.

Now to get rid of those damn gerrymandering state legislators.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:07 pm

Insaeldor wrote:
Othelos wrote:I don't know anything about that guy


tea party member, positions on economic & social issues

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Sandoval

Here you go

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Postby Insaeldor » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:07 pm

ControlHQ wrote:

Really? Sandoval? I dunno, man.

The last Republican Governor to give $1.3 billion in tax breaks to big business got squashed in tonight's general. So long Tom Corbett.

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Postby Lalaki » Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:08 pm

As I mentioned in the other thread, I hope that this 114th GOP Congress will be centrist and willing to work with the President.

For example, instead of leading campaigns to repeal the Affordable Care Act, perhaps top Congressional leaders and the President can sit down and re-frame the current law to keep what most Americans support and reform what they don't.
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