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Postby Jinos » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:50 am

Jinos wrote:Face it, Obama's a "disaster" because he's black, not because he's actually done anything bad.


Actually, I take it back. There is good cause to criticize Obama.

After all, he acts too much like a corporatist republican.

So yes, let's impeach Obama and replace him with Bernie Sanders (of the Socialist Party).
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Postby Alizeria » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:50 am

You know what's surprised me about this election the most?

It's not the result, although I'll admit I didn't think the Republicans would gain the Senate.

What's surprised me is actually... my own reaction to it: I don't care.

A few years ago (especially in 2010), I followed everything that went on in Washington DC despite not being American. But I really feel like this doesn't effect me anymore, that I just can't get passionate about it.

Normally I'm passionate about anything political, but 2014 has just been a whole lot of bland and nebulous old people against a different bunch of bland and nebulous old people.

A huge number of Americans did not vote today - few do in the midterms. I can see why. There's going to be gridlock if the Republicans gain the House, and most polls showed they would, so what difference does it make if they gain the Senate too? And as for the Democrats, well, do they actually stand for anything, and if so who is doing the standing? Because I saw no one - certainly not the President - capture anyone's imagination.

Sorry America, looks like it's business as usual for you guys. Nothing changed today. Your dysfunctional system continues to dysfunction and the rest of the world is looking elsewhere for leadership.
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Postby Espresso and Insanity » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:53 am

Alizeria wrote:You know what's surprised me about this election the most?

It's not the result, although I'll admit I didn't think the Republicans would gain the Senate.

What's surprised me is actually... my own reaction to it: I don't care.

A few years ago (especially in 2010), I followed everything that went on in Washington DC despite not being American. But I really feel like this doesn't effect me anymore, that I just can't get passionate about it.

Normally I'm passionate about anything political, but 2014 has just been a whole lot of bland and nebulous old people against a different bunch of bland and nebulous old people.

A huge number of Americans did not vote today - few do in the midterms. I can see why. There's going to be gridlock if the Republicans gain the House, and most polls showed they would, so what difference does it make if they gain the Senate too? And as for the Democrats, well, do they actually stand for anything, and if so who is doing the standing? Because I saw no one - certainly not the President - capture anyone's imagination.

Sorry America, looks like it's business as usual for you guys. Nothing changed today. Your dysfunctional system continues to dysfunction and the rest of the world is looking elsewhere for leadership.


Y'know, I hear you. I was disappointed at the results, but I showed little emotion. I was hardly surprised, and despite my disappointment, I'm pretty content.
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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Wed Nov 05, 2014 4:02 am

Jinos wrote:
Southern Hampshire wrote:
I do not deny Bush is a fuck-up (although less of a fuck up than Obama)

Reagan was no where near. Reagan was one of the greatest Presidents the United States ever had, rank struggling between him, Lincoln and Wilson.


What a hypocritical racist.

Here's a list of things with DIRECT analogs that Reagan is praised for yet Obama is slandered.

-Ran from Beirut
-Sold arms to Iran
-Funded terrorism across the globe
-Tried to bankrupt this country in an arms race
-Did nothing while AIDS spread like wildfire throughout the US (even though the CDC warned him)
-Crashed the economy S&L crisis
-Gave straight up amnesty to all illegal immigrants
-Took credit for everything he never did (end stagflation, save the hostages, bring down the ussr)

What about Obama?

-10x less dead in Benghazi (but for some reason it's all a cover up)
-Negotiated peaceful nuclear power with Iran (yet he's stabbing Israel in the back?)
-Killed Bin Laden (oh wait that "wasn't him" :roll: )
-Cut the deficit by 2/3 after his predecessor handed him the worst economy in 80 years (yet he's a fiscally irresponsible "tax and spend" liberal)
-Contained ebola and got millions of Americans health care (yet somehow we're about to have an epidemic)
-Economy better than it was before the 2007 housing crash (but apparently Obama drove us into the ground?)
-Deported more illegal immigrants than his predecessor (but apparently he's going to do something reagan already did? amnesty since when?!)
-Never gets credit for anything he ever did (unless it was "destroying america")

Face it, Obama's a "disaster" because he's black, not because he's actually done anything bad.

Reagan wasn't the best of Presidents, indeed he did do some terrible things such as funding terrorists across the globe. However, Obama is by no means a good President.

Benghazi: Even so, Hillary Clinton and Obama haven't provided adequate security for a Consulate in one of the most unstable regions in the world, which is really irresponsible

Peaceful Nuclear Energy for Iran: That is a good thing, and probably the only time he did something peaceful, whilst he bombed the shit out of the Middle East and caused countless civilian deaths

The deficit is temporarily cut, but the CBO Estimates that the deficit will increase more and more following 2015
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Economy: The market will naturally fluctuate and thus Obama's Presidency would naturally result in an economy recovery, but once again the economy is very volatile, with a huge drop in GDP for Q2 and a huge increase in GDP for Q3. There are also forecasts of another recession coming by, which shows the instability of Obama's economic programs, which can cause disaster.

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Postby Jinwoy » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:12 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:Benghazi: Even so, Hillary Clinton and Obama haven't provided adequate security for a Consulate in one of the most unstable regions in the world, which is really irresponsible


It was unforeseen - contrary to popular belief, there were no demonstrations outside the diplomatic mission prior to the attacks. It'd be like blaming Bush for 9/11.

Republic of Coldwater wrote:The deficit is temporarily cut, but the CBO Estimates that the deficit will increase more and more following 2015
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Let's pretend the President can actually control the deficit, the budget, and everything in between. :roll:

Republic of Coldwater wrote:Economy: The market will naturally fluctuate and thus Obama's Presidency would naturally result in an economy recovery, but once again the economy is very volatile, with a huge drop in GDP for Q2 and a huge increase in GDP for Q3. There are also forecasts of another recession coming by, which shows the instability of Obama's economic programs, which can cause disaster.


Lemme guess: the economic fluctuated for FDR and also returned to a recession.
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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:45 am

Jinwoy wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:Benghazi: Even so, Hillary Clinton and Obama haven't provided adequate security for a Consulate in one of the most unstable regions in the world, which is really irresponsible


It was unforeseen - contrary to popular belief, there were no demonstrations outside the diplomatic mission prior to the attacks. It'd be like blaming Bush for 9/11.

Republic of Coldwater wrote:The deficit is temporarily cut, but the CBO Estimates that the deficit will increase more and more following 2015
(Image)


Let's pretend the President can actually control the deficit, the budget, and everything in between. :roll:

Republic of Coldwater wrote:Economy: The market will naturally fluctuate and thus Obama's Presidency would naturally result in an economy recovery, but once again the economy is very volatile, with a huge drop in GDP for Q2 and a huge increase in GDP for Q3. There are also forecasts of another recession coming by, which shows the instability of Obama's economic programs, which can cause disaster.


Lemme guess: the economic fluctuated for FDR and also returned to a recession.
Source yer bullshit, ya libie anarcho commie.

Some Common sense please, we are in one of the most unstable areas in the freaking world, why isn't there fucking security. Bush not setting any precautions makes sense as America was in peacetime and was considered to be very safe, therefore creating a relaxed environment. Even Embassies and Consulates in peaceful countries like Switzerland, France and China have security.

If he could, I would applaud him. I'm sure Congress would love to cut some spending with him now that we have a Republican Congress (much like Clinton, where there was bipartisan cooperation)

FDR's case was the same, and it actually delayed the exit of the US from the Great Depression until 1939-1940 when the rest of the world got out by 1935.

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Postby Jinwoy » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:49 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Jinwoy wrote:
It was unforeseen - contrary to popular belief, there were no demonstrations outside the diplomatic mission prior to the attacks. It'd be like blaming Bush for 9/11.



Let's pretend the President can actually control the deficit, the budget, and everything in between. :roll:



Lemme guess: the economic fluctuated for FDR and also returned to a recession.
Source yer bullshit, ya libie anarcho commie.

Some Common sense please, we are in one of the most unstable areas in the freaking world, why isn't there fucking security. Bush not setting any precautions makes sense as America was in peacetime and was considered to be very safe, therefore creating a relaxed environment. Even Embassies and Consulates in peaceful countries like Switzerland, France and China have security.

If he could, I would applaud him. I'm sure Congress would love to cut some spending with him now that we have a Republican Congress (much like Clinton, where there was bipartisan cooperation)

FDR's case was the same, and it actually delayed the exit of the US from the Great Depression until 1939-1940 when the rest of the world got out by 1935.


They did have security. It wasn't adequate. I'm sure having nothing short of a kremlin-esque fortress is the only way to appease republicans.
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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:58 am

Jinwoy wrote:
Republic of Coldwater wrote:Some Common sense please, we are in one of the most unstable areas in the freaking world, why isn't there fucking security. Bush not setting any precautions makes sense as America was in peacetime and was considered to be very safe, therefore creating a relaxed environment. Even Embassies and Consulates in peaceful countries like Switzerland, France and China have security.

If he could, I would applaud him. I'm sure Congress would love to cut some spending with him now that we have a Republican Congress (much like Clinton, where there was bipartisan cooperation)

FDR's case was the same, and it actually delayed the exit of the US from the Great Depression until 1939-1940 when the rest of the world got out by 1935.


They did have security. It wasn't adequate. I'm sure having nothing short of a kremlin-esque fortress is the only way to appease republicans.
Elephants are going to milk this for centuries, even though there isn't centuries worth of material to milk.

As for the rest, cite.

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UK GDP Growth in the 1930s

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US GDP Growth in the 1930s

We had seen a huge fluctuation in the US Market, while the UK Economy only had negative growth for a single year and didn't dip twice below the 0% mark. The UK did not have the massive New Deal Programs that FDR instilled, which is probably why their economy didn't have the same drastic fluctuations that the US Economy had.

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Postby Jinwoy » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:23 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:
Jinwoy wrote:
They did have security. It wasn't adequate. I'm sure having nothing short of a kremlin-esque fortress is the only way to appease republicans.
Elephants are going to milk this for centuries, even though there isn't centuries worth of material to milk.

As for the rest, cite.

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UK GDP Growth in the 1930s

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US GDP Growth in the 1930s

We had seen a huge fluctuation in the US Market, while the UK Economy only had negative growth for a single year and didn't dip twice below the 0% mark. The UK did not have the massive New Deal Programs that FDR instilled, which is probably why their economy didn't have the same drastic fluctuations that the US Economy had.


The graph showed me that the US had a far bigger economy than the UK.
As I'm sure you know, bigger economies tend to wobble a lot, but the US was definitely improving instead of shrinking, defaulting, total economic collapse etc: improving like it is now.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:31 am

Not a surprise. What's also not going to be a surprise is the Republicans are pathologically unable to do anything besides cockblock Obama and try to turn the U.S. into the Republic of Gilead. All those red states trying to do away with abortion? Just a prelude to setting up Handmaiden programs.

What's disappointing is that it appears as if cockblocking Obama paid off for the GOP in the midterms. However, they'll assume that if they keep cockblocking Obama they'll win the White House in 2016. And with the same go nowhere pace or worse with a Republican Congress guess who'll get the blame?
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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:42 am

Gauthier wrote:Not a surprise. What's also not going to be a surprise is the Republicans are pathologically unable to do anything besides cockblock Obama and try to turn the U.S. into the Republic of Gilead. All those red states trying to do away with abortion? Just a prelude to setting up Handmaiden programs.

What's disappointing is that it appears as if cockblocking Obama paid off for the GOP in the midterms. However, they'll assume that if they keep cockblocking Obama they'll win the White House in 2016. And with the same go nowhere pace or worse with a Republican Congress guess who'll get the blame?



Perhaps the solution for that might be for MSNBC to actually become what conservatives already (mistakenly) think it is: a propaganda mouthpiece for the DNC.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:12 am

I'll predict that the Republican Congress will attempt to repeal AHCA again.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:17 am

Gauthier wrote:I'll predict that the Republican Congress will attempt to repeal AHCA again.


No. They won't go for the full repeal. You need something to replace it and they don't have anything.

What they will do is like what they did to the original plan. Screw pieces of it so it turns into a paper tiger.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:19 am

Gauthier wrote:I'll predict that the Republican Congress will attempt to repeal AHCA again.


They will probably also attempt a federal marriage amendment which won;t get the required votes, abolish the minimum wage, a national voter id law, anti abortion legislation, anti lgbt laws, block all presidential nominees and attempt impeachment of the president and refuse to raise the debt ceiling and default on the debt crashing the global economy. I encourage them to do all of that they will get swept from power in a megatsunami that would make this years election look like a ripple.

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Postby Norstal » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:23 am

Maineiacs wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Not a surprise. What's also not going to be a surprise is the Republicans are pathologically unable to do anything besides cockblock Obama and try to turn the U.S. into the Republic of Gilead. All those red states trying to do away with abortion? Just a prelude to setting up Handmaiden programs.

What's disappointing is that it appears as if cockblocking Obama paid off for the GOP in the midterms. However, they'll assume that if they keep cockblocking Obama they'll win the White House in 2016. And with the same go nowhere pace or worse with a Republican Congress guess who'll get the blame?



Perhaps the solution for that might be for MSNBC to actually become what conservatives already (mistakenly) think it is: a propaganda mouthpiece for the DNC.

Hardly a solution. The DNC is diverse in opinions. Believe it or not some conservative do want to cooperate with the rest of America. If this happens, it might alienate them.

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Gauthier wrote:I'll predict that the Republican Congress will attempt to repeal AHCA again.


They will probably also attempt a federal marriage amendment which won;t get the required votes, abolish the minimum wage, a national voter id law, anti abortion legislation, anti lgbt laws, block all presidential nominees and attempt impeachment of the president and refuse to raise the debt ceiling and default on the debt crashing the global economy. I encourage them to do all of that they will get swept from power in a megatsunami that would make this years election look like a ripple.

All this in a span of two years? I doubt it. IIrc, they don't even have the supermajority to do the things they want to do.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:23 am

Here's what I predict: the GOP leadership is quite intelligent and knows how to compromise. But, unfortunately for them, they have underlings who will not listen to them on compromise. We're looking at a reasonable senate (for the most part, except for those goddamn idiots of Cruz and newcomer Ernst), and a batshit insane House. Here in California, most of the Republicans that ran were reasonable in their approach and with their policies. I doubt this will be true at the national stage.

Attempts at compromise will be stymied not by the President, but by the populist Conservatives in the House and Senate. Not to mention, it's quite possible they'll try passing their own agenda to merely make the President look obstructionist.
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Postby Southern Hampshire » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:25 am

United States of Natan wrote:Heh, thats funny. you think the worst president ever is better than Obama. You sir, have quite a sense of humor.



Obama is the worst President to have ever walked on this Earth, recently passing Hoover and Nixon to the top spot of horrible-meter.

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Southern Hampshire wrote:
I do not deny Bush is a fuck-up (although less of a fuck up than Obama)

Reagan was no where near. Reagan was one of the greatest Presidents the United States ever had, rank struggling between him, Lincoln and Wilson.


Then you must be a fan of quadrupling debts, illegal arms deals, overthrowing legitimate governments, deregulating the financial industry to the point of recklessness, growing poverty, growing inequality, and letting wages stagnate as productivity goes up.


Well, yes. Except for the first one.

Jinos wrote:
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I do not deny Bush is a fuck-up (although less of a fuck up than Obama)

Reagan was no where near. Reagan was one of the greatest Presidents the United States ever had, rank struggling between him, Lincoln and Wilson.


What a hypocritical racist.

Here's a list of things with DIRECT analogs that Reagan is praised for yet Obama is slandered.

-Ran from Beirut
-Sold arms to Iran
-Funded terrorism across the globe
-Tried to bankrupt this country in an arms race
-Did nothing while AIDS spread like wildfire throughout the US (even though the CDC warned him)
-Crashed the economy S&L crisis
-Gave straight up amnesty to all illegal immigrants
-Took credit for everything he never did (end stagflation, save the hostages, bring down the ussr)

What about Obama?

-10x less dead in Benghazi (but for some reason it's all a cover up)
-Negotiated peaceful nuclear power with Iran (yet he's stabbing Israel in the back?)
-Killed Bin Laden (oh wait that "wasn't him" :roll: )
-Cut the deficit by 2/3 after his predecessor handed him the worst economy in 80 years (yet he's a fiscally irresponsible "tax and spend" liberal)
-Contained ebola and got millions of Americans health care (yet somehow we're about to have an epidemic)
-Economy better than it was before the 2007 housing crash (but apparently Obama drove us into the ground?)
-Deported more illegal immigrants than his predecessor (but apparently he's going to do something reagan already did? amnesty since when?!)
-Never gets credit for anything he ever did (unless it was "destroying america")

Face it, Obama's a "disaster" because he's black, not because he's actually done anything bad.


Call Obama a horrible President and the first thing you're being accused of is racism. You are one special kind of idiot who deserves to be thrown in jail for your venomous and malignant political and racial views. Black people aren't to-be-protected angels and criticizing black people doesn't mean you're racist because at no point was I focused on his colour, therefore YOU are the racist.

I won't even talk about your Reagan points because it's pure idiocy. To refer to your Obama points:
1) I don't care
2) He is accused of stabbing Israel because of condemning it's peaceful, rightful and just actions against Gaza
3) Who ever denied it? Killing Bin Laden is not something that justifies an 8 year presidency
4) At the suffering of businesses and the further increased frequency of outsourcing. Destroyed Detroit single-handedly.
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Postby Brilliant Equestria » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:26 am

Alizeria wrote:You know what's surprised me about this election the most?

It's not the result, although I'll admit I didn't think the Republicans would gain the Senate.

What's surprised me is actually... my own reaction to it: I don't care.

A few years ago (especially in 2010), I followed everything that went on in Washington DC despite not being American. But I really feel like this doesn't effect me anymore, that I just can't get passionate about it.

Normally I'm passionate about anything political, but 2014 has just been a whole lot of bland and nebulous old people against a different bunch of bland and nebulous old people.

A huge number of Americans did not vote today - few do in the midterms. I can see why. There's going to be gridlock if the Republicans gain the House, and most polls showed they would, so what difference does it make if they gain the Senate too? And as for the Democrats, well, do they actually stand for anything, and if so who is doing the standing? Because I saw no one - certainly not the President - capture anyone's imagination.

Sorry America, looks like it's business as usual for you guys. Nothing changed today. Your dysfunctional system continues to dysfunction and the rest of the world is looking elsewhere for leadership.

This is pretty much exactly how I feel as well.

Nothing has changed: Congress will still continue to set records for inactivity, people will still hate them but vote them back in anyway, and things will continue to be put-off until "after the next election". Hyper-partisan wankery will continue to be the gold standard of politics. The Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority in both houses of Congress and did nothing with it because every single faction demanded they get exactly what they want in exchange for support. The Republicans, however, have already collapsed into factionalism and neither Boehner nor McConnell has a strong enough spine to bring them to heel.

2016 probably isn't going to go well for the Republicans now, though. "We had control of Congress and did nothing but vote on Obamacare fifty more times" isn't exactly a great campaign platform.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:30 am

Southern Hampshire wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:Heh, thats funny. you think the worst president ever is better than Obama. You sir, have quite a sense of humor.



Obama is the worst President to have ever walked on this Earth, recently passing Hoover and Nixon to the top spot of horrible-meter.

Espresso and Insanity wrote:
Then you must be a fan of quadrupling debts, illegal arms deals, overthrowing legitimate governments, deregulating the financial industry to the point of recklessness, growing poverty, growing inequality, and letting wages stagnate as productivity goes up.


Well, yes. Except for the first one.

Jinos wrote:
What a hypocritical racist.

Here's a list of things with DIRECT analogs that Reagan is praised for yet Obama is slandered.

-Ran from Beirut
-Sold arms to Iran
-Funded terrorism across the globe
-Tried to bankrupt this country in an arms race
-Did nothing while AIDS spread like wildfire throughout the US (even though the CDC warned him)
-Crashed the economy S&L crisis
-Gave straight up amnesty to all illegal immigrants
-Took credit for everything he never did (end stagflation, save the hostages, bring down the ussr)

What about Obama?

-10x less dead in Benghazi (but for some reason it's all a cover up)
-Negotiated peaceful nuclear power with Iran (yet he's stabbing Israel in the back?)
-Killed Bin Laden (oh wait that "wasn't him" :roll: )
-Cut the deficit by 2/3 after his predecessor handed him the worst economy in 80 years (yet he's a fiscally irresponsible "tax and spend" liberal)
-Contained ebola and got millions of Americans health care (yet somehow we're about to have an epidemic)
-Economy better than it was before the 2007 housing crash (but apparently Obama drove us into the ground?)
-Deported more illegal immigrants than his predecessor (but apparently he's going to do something reagan already did? amnesty since when?!)
-Never gets credit for anything he ever did (unless it was "destroying america")

Face it, Obama's a "disaster" because he's black, not because he's actually done anything bad.


Call Obama a horrible President and the first thing you're being accused of is racism. You are one special kind of idiot who deserves to be thrown in jail for your venomous and malignant political and racial views. Black people aren't to-be-protected angels and criticizing black people doesn't mean you're racist because at no point was I focused on his colour, therefore YOU are the racist.

I won't even talk about your Reagan points because it's pure idiocy. To refer to your Obama points:
1) I don't care
2) He is accused of stabbing Israel because of condemning it's peaceful, rightful and just actions against Gaza
3) Who ever denied it? Killing Bin Laden is not something that justifies an 8 year presidency
4) At the suffering of businesses and the further increased frequency of outsourcing. Destroyed Detroit single-handedly.
5) Contained Ebola? You're an idiot. Given millions of Americans Obamacare? He's an idiot.
6) Yeah no shit, it's called economic growth and would have happened with or without Obama. You cannot count economic growth straight after times of a crash. You count them after a recession or stability. Not even a boom.
7) Ha haaa haa. No.
8) Because he shouldn't. Why? Because he didn't do a single good thing that can justify staying a MONTH in the Presidential office. He is the worst President the US ever had. He should stick to ellen and Oprah's programs where he belongs, not the office.

I really don't know if you're just this stupid or an example of Poe's law. The fact you've attributed such events to one president and not a progression due to economic policy set by various presidents since the seventies is ignorance. Obama is no great president, but he's certainly not the worst. You never met the president who let the Union break up, have you? Let's see you set policy, oh intelligent one.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:41 am

Southern Hampshire wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:Heh, thats funny. you think the worst president ever is better than Obama. You sir, have quite a sense of humor.



Obama is the worst President to have ever walked on this Earth, recently passing Hoover and Nixon to the top spot of horrible-meter.

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Then you must be a fan of quadrupling debts, illegal arms deals, overthrowing legitimate governments, deregulating the financial industry to the point of recklessness, growing poverty, growing inequality, and letting wages stagnate as productivity goes up.


Well, yes. Except for the first one.

Jinos wrote:
What a hypocritical racist.

Here's a list of things with DIRECT analogs that Reagan is praised for yet Obama is slandered.

-Ran from Beirut
-Sold arms to Iran
-Funded terrorism across the globe
-Tried to bankrupt this country in an arms race
-Did nothing while AIDS spread like wildfire throughout the US (even though the CDC warned him)
-Crashed the economy S&L crisis
-Gave straight up amnesty to all illegal immigrants
-Took credit for everything he never did (end stagflation, save the hostages, bring down the ussr)

What about Obama?

-10x less dead in Benghazi (but for some reason it's all a cover up)
-Negotiated peaceful nuclear power with Iran (yet he's stabbing Israel in the back?)
-Killed Bin Laden (oh wait that "wasn't him" :roll: )
-Cut the deficit by 2/3 after his predecessor handed him the worst economy in 80 years (yet he's a fiscally irresponsible "tax and spend" liberal)
-Contained ebola and got millions of Americans health care (yet somehow we're about to have an epidemic)
-Economy better than it was before the 2007 housing crash (but apparently Obama drove us into the ground?)
-Deported more illegal immigrants than his predecessor (but apparently he's going to do something reagan already did? amnesty since when?!)
-Never gets credit for anything he ever did (unless it was "destroying america")

Face it, Obama's a "disaster" because he's black, not because he's actually done anything bad.


Call Obama a horrible President and the first thing you're being accused of is racism. You are one special kind of idiot who deserves to be thrown in jail for your venomous and malignant political and racial views. Black people aren't to-be-protected angels and criticizing black people doesn't mean you're racist because at no point was I focused on his colour, therefore YOU are the racist.

I won't even talk about your Reagan points because it's pure idiocy. To refer to your Obama points:
1) I don't care
2) He is accused of stabbing Israel because of condemning it's peaceful, rightful and just actions against Gaza
3) Who ever denied it? Killing Bin Laden is not something that justifies an 8 year presidency
4) At the suffering of businesses and the further increased frequency of outsourcing. Destroyed Detroit single-handedly.
5) Contained Ebola? You're an idiot. Given millions of Americans Obamacare? He's an idiot.
6) Yeah no shit, it's called economic growth and would have happened with or without Obama. You cannot count economic growth straight after times of a crash. You count them after a recession or stability. Not even a boom.
7) Ha haaa haa. No.
8 ) Because he shouldn't. Why? Because he didn't do a single good thing that can justify staying a MONTH in the Presidential office. He is the worst President the US ever had. He should stick to ellen and Oprah's programs where he belongs, not the office.


What the fuck did I just read...
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Postby The Amyclae » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:52 am

The GOP killed it with the Hispanic vote. Still shit-tier, but how many more elections with that sort of growth before we can dismiss the 'inevitable' demographic Democratic majority--two or three? Maybe one more election?
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Postby Crazy girl » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:01 am

Southern Hampshire wrote:
. You are one special kind of idiot


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Kelinfort wrote:I really don't know if you're just this stupid or an example of Poe's law.


Also *** warned for flaming ***.

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Postby West Angola » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:02 am

Southern Hampshire wrote:-Snip-

Even putting that colorful tirade of ludicrous aside, you really think Obama is the worst President?

Has no one heard of Warren Harding?
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:02 am

Southern Hampshire wrote:Call Obama a horrible President and the first thing you're being accused of is racism. You are one special kind of idiot who deserves to be thrown in jail for your venomous and malignant political and racial views. Black people aren't to-be-protected angels and criticizing black people doesn't mean you're racist because at no point was I focused on his colour, therefore YOU are the racist.

I won't even talk about your Reagan points because it's pure idiocy. To refer to your Obama points:
1) I don't care
2) He is accused of stabbing Israel because of condemning it's peaceful, rightful and just actions against Gaza
3) Who ever denied it? Killing Bin Laden is not something that justifies an 8 year presidency
4) At the suffering of businesses and the further increased frequency of outsourcing. Destroyed Detroit single-handedly.
5) Contained Ebola? You're an idiot. Given millions of Americans Obamacare? He's an idiot.
6) Yeah no shit, it's called economic growth and would have happened with or without Obama. You cannot count economic growth straight after times of a crash. You count them after a recession or stability. Not even a boom.
7) Ha haaa haa. No.
8) Because he shouldn't. Why? Because he didn't do a single good thing that can justify staying a MONTH in the Presidential office. He is the worst President the US ever had. He should stick to ellen and Oprah's programs where he belongs, not the office.

Let's break this down point by point:
1. Four people in one of the world's shitholes die. It happens all the time. Get over it.
2. Nothing says "peace" like 1500 civilian casualties and only three on the Israeli side. Seriously, bombing a fucking hospital is an overreaction.
3. This point doesn't matter.
4. Hahahahaha...oh wow. Outsourcing has been a trend since the seventies, and it's only going to increase. Besides, we need to focus on jobs that actually earn reasonable wages, such as skilled labour and technological industry. Also, these auto industries are still flourishing at the expense of workers in America. We need to move towards more skilled labour, the cheap labour will only make us poorer.
5. Holy shit, why do people care about Ebola so fucking much? We've had eight fucking cases. It's contained. And why is this a bad thing? Despite this going against your ideology, this will actually reduce healthcare costs and has from Japan to Europe. Don't act ignorant.
6. Then Reagan shrunk the economy. He came in during a recession and growth began a year later. So none of that must count? Buddy, you're obviously not an economist. Not to mention, another recession hit at the end of his Presidency. Using your semantic definition of growth, Reagan actually shrunk GDP. Which is patently false. I have no idea why "growth after a crash" doesn't matter unless you're being willfully ignorant.
7. He did. Now you're just ignoring reality.

Your criticisms seem unfair and intellectually dishonest. You ignore several major pieces of legislation- oh fuck, just go here

Please, stop being willfully ignorant of the past.

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Postby Maineiacs » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:07 am

West Angola wrote:
Southern Hampshire wrote:-Snip-

Even putting that colorful tirade of ludicrous aside, you really think Obama is the worst President?

Has no one heard of Warren Harding?



Or, as someone pointed out, James Buchanan?
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