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Postby Urantia » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:49 am

So we have all the answers? You can tell me definitively and accurately what happened that day? I live near Miami and I witnessed (firsthand and with my own eyes) a building demolition several years back. This old condo building was damaged in our Hurricane spat of 04-06 and had to be torn down. It looks identical to what happened to Building 7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ8OIBFcA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4eMgVv9jQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myNHyxL6q_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFb4puln_No

There are other videos of that too. Now are Building 7 and 1515 Flagler identical? Of course not. But it's not an unlike or unfair comparison given footage we have like this-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg#t=20

Do I believe everything I read online? No. Do I believe the Israelis did it? No. I don't buy into the "No-planes" hypothesis either. I don't know what happened that day when I look at all the anomalies which occurred.

You are honestly going to sit here and tell me fire brought down WTC 7 in precisely same the way a controlled demolition does? What about the many well documented cases of tall highrise fires both before and after 911?

This one just happened last month -
http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/ ... -guangzhou
That building was on fire for longer than WTC 1,2, & 7 COMBINED.

Why didn't it collapse?

There are a myriad of others and I'm happy to dig up the neutral news articles detailing those.

I'm not saying Bush did it. I can't say either he or his Admin. let it happen or not because The War on Terror was a financial boon to a select few in that inner circle.

I don't pretend to know what happened that day. But the official story is not what I believe because it does not add up.
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Postby Gallup » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:50 am

The Scientific States wrote:
Gallup wrote:Thousands? Don't you think someone would have heard?


If that was the case, yes, it would've been figured out quickly. But, the moon landing happened, and thousands of astronauts weren't killed.

Well, duh.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:50 am

Gallup wrote:Yes, you read the right. Rep. Higgins from New York has said on C-Span that he will "review all relevant information" regarding the cowardly terror attacks of 9/11. What do you think of the, NSG?

Quoting the transcript from your source:
BRIAN HIGGINS: I have a responsibility to review all relevant information relative to that situation most certainly. Any information that is compelling that change the dynamic of the debate relative to cause and effect, I would certainly review.

Note the qualifications here, "information that is compelling that change the dynamic of the debate relative to cause and effect". Why wouldn't a congress critter on the Homeland Security Commission review such information? Note also that he never says that truther's have such information.

Me, I think this is silly. We've already had multiple committees that reached the same conclusion. Should we be funding yet another investigation? Everyone knows what happened, exuding some crazy people.

Who said anything about funding another investigation? Certainly not Rep. Higgins. Nor the caller. She asked if he would personally review the evidence she was talking about. And he didn't say yes.


Did you read anything on the page beyond the headline?
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Postby Ganos Lao » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:50 am

Let's be honest here - no Truther is going to listen to what one of "Them" say and keep believing in their claims.



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Postby Gallup » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:50 am

Urantia wrote:So we have all the answers? You can tell me definitively and accurately what happened that day? I live near Miami and I witnessed a building demolition several years back. This old condo building was damaged in our Hurricane spat of 04-06 and had to be torn down. It looks identical to what happened to Building 7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ8OIBFcA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4eMgVv9jQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myNHyxL6q_o

There are other videos of that too. Now are Building 7 and 1515 Flagler identical? Of course not. But it's not an unlike or unfair comparison given footage we have like this-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg#t=20

Do I believe everything I read online? No. Do I believe the Israelis did it? No. I don't buy into the "No-planes" hypothesis either. I don't know what happened that day when I look at all the anomalies which occurred.

You are honestly going to sit here and tell me fire brought down WTC 7 in precisely same the way a controlled demolition does? What about the many well documented cases of tall highrise fires both before and after 911?

This one just happened last month -
http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/ ... -guangzhou
That building was on fire for longer than WTC 1,2, & 7 COMBINED.

Why didn't it collapse?

There are a myriad of others and I'm happy to dig up the neutral news articles detailing those.

I'm not saying Bush did it. I can't say either he or his Admin. let it happen or not because The War on Terror was a financial boon to a select few in that inner circle.

I don't pretend to know what happened that day. But the official story is not what I believe because it does not add up.

:rofl:

I knew when I posted this people like you would come crawling from the woodwork .
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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:51 am

Gallup wrote:
Avenio wrote:
I was about to say...

For the record, this is the verbatim quote from the article, which the OP shockingly and curiously omits;



I wonder why that is? Could it be that the dearest OP has a vested interest in making a Democrat look bad? Quelle horreur!

He says he'll review "all relevant information" pertaining to 9/11. I didn't leave anything out.


yes but he was really just being polite to a nut. he didn't promise anything. there is nothing to go "what?" about.
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Postby Gallup » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:51 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Gallup wrote:He says he'll review "all relevant information" pertaining to 9/11. I didn't leave anything out.


yes but he was really just being polite to a nut. he didn't promise anything really. there is nothing to go "what?" about.

Hopefully he was.
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Postby Avenio » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:53 am

Gallup wrote:
Avenio wrote:
I was about to say...

For the record, this is the verbatim quote from the article, which the OP shockingly and curiously omits;



I wonder why that is? Could it be that the dearest OP has a vested interest in making a Democrat look bad? Quelle horreur!

He says he'll review "all relevant information" pertaining to 9/11. I didn't leave anything out.


Yes you did. The whole second half of the quote, in fact.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:53 am

Gallup wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
yes but he was really just being polite to a nut. he didn't promise anything really. there is nothing to go "what?" about.

Hopefully he was.

No, not hopefully. Obviously he was. Blatantly he was. There is no other way to honestly interpret what he said.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:53 am

Urantia wrote:So we have all the answers? You can tell me definitively and accurately what happened that day? I live near Miami and I witnessed a building demolition several years back. This old condo building was damaged in our Hurricane spat of 04-06 and had to be torn down. It looks identical to what happened to Building 7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ8OIBFcA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4eMgVv9jQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myNHyxL6q_o

There are other videos of that too. Now are Building 7 and 1515 Flagler identical? Of course not. But it's not an unlike or unfair comparison given footage we have like this-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg#t=20

Do I believe everything I read online? No. Do I believe the Israelis did it? No. I don't buy into the "No-planes" hypothesis either. I don't know what happened that day when I look at all the anomalies which occurred.

You are honestly going to sit here and tell me fire brought down WTC 7 in precisely same the way a controlled demolition does? What about the many well documented cases of tall highrise fires both before and after 911?

This one just happened last month -
http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/ ... -guangzhou
That building was on fire for longer than WTC 1,2, & 7 COMBINED.

Why didn't it collapse?

There are a myriad of others and I'm happy to dig up the neutral news articles detailing those.

I'm not saying Bush did it. I can't say either he or his Admin. let it happen or not because The War on Terror was a financial boon to a select few in that inner circle.

I don't pretend to know what happened that day. But the official story is not what I believe because it does not add up.


All the 9/11 truthers are the same. Come up with a random conclusion, throw out all the evidence which doesn't fit, refuse to consider expert opinions if they disagree and present the findings like it's a bombshell.
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Postby Gallup » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:54 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Urantia wrote:So we have all the answers? You can tell me definitively and accurately what happened that day? I live near Miami and I witnessed a building demolition several years back. This old condo building was damaged in our Hurricane spat of 04-06 and had to be torn down. It looks identical to what happened to Building 7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ8OIBFcA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4eMgVv9jQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myNHyxL6q_o

There are other videos of that too. Now are Building 7 and 1515 Flagler identical? Of course not. But it's not an unlike or unfair comparison given footage we have like this-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg#t=20

Do I believe everything I read online? No. Do I believe the Israelis did it? No. I don't buy into the "No-planes" hypothesis either. I don't know what happened that day when I look at all the anomalies which occurred.

You are honestly going to sit here and tell me fire brought down WTC 7 in precisely same the way a controlled demolition does? What about the many well documented cases of tall highrise fires both before and after 911?

This one just happened last month -
http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/ ... -guangzhou
That building was on fire for longer than WTC 1,2, & 7 COMBINED.

Why didn't it collapse?

There are a myriad of others and I'm happy to dig up the neutral news articles detailing those.

I'm not saying Bush did it. I can't say either he or his Admin. let it happen or not because The War on Terror was a financial boon to a select few in that inner circle.

I don't pretend to know what happened that day. But the official story is not what I believe because it does not add up.


All the 9/11 truthers are the same. Come up with a random conclusion, throw out all the evidence which doesn't fit, refuse to consider expert opinions if they disagree and present the findings like it's a bombshell.

Find the answer you want, work back, and throw out the rest.
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:55 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Urantia wrote:So we have all the answers? You can tell me definitively and accurately what happened that day? I live near Miami and I witnessed a building demolition several years back. This old condo building was damaged in our Hurricane spat of 04-06 and had to be torn down. It looks identical to what happened to Building 7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ8OIBFcA4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4eMgVv9jQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myNHyxL6q_o

There are other videos of that too. Now are Building 7 and 1515 Flagler identical? Of course not. But it's not an unlike or unfair comparison given footage we have like this-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg#t=20

Do I believe everything I read online? No. Do I believe the Israelis did it? No. I don't buy into the "No-planes" hypothesis either. I don't know what happened that day when I look at all the anomalies which occurred.

You are honestly going to sit here and tell me fire brought down WTC 7 in precisely same the way a controlled demolition does? What about the many well documented cases of tall highrise fires both before and after 911?

This one just happened last month -
http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/ ... -guangzhou
That building was on fire for longer than WTC 1,2, & 7 COMBINED.

Why didn't it collapse?

There are a myriad of others and I'm happy to dig up the neutral news articles detailing those.

I'm not saying Bush did it. I can't say either he or his Admin. let it happen or not because The War on Terror was a financial boon to a select few in that inner circle.

I don't pretend to know what happened that day. But the official story is not what I believe because it does not add up.


All the 9/11 truthers are the same. Come up with a random conclusion, throw out all the evidence which doesn't fit, refuse to consider expert opinions if they disagree and present the findings like it's a bombshell.


Indeed. It seems that 9/11 truthers only look at the evidence that they believe proves them right. They don't realize that all their observations, have a explanation.
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Postby Urantia » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:55 am

Gallup wrote:I knew when I posted this people like you would come crawling from the woodwork .


People like me? Like the architects, engineers, pilots, Iraqi War Vets, and 911 victims; families. Yeah people like us who dare raise questions about what the Gov't tells us. Heaven forbid in a western liberal democracy questions be raised for debate.

Have I claimed anything extraordinary?

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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:55 am

Everything you need to know about 9/11 conspiracy theories is explained on this site http://www.debunking911.com/index.html

If you're going to disagree, you may as well just press alt-F4. Arguing that 9/11 was a controlled demolition is an insult to engineering professionals everywhere and probably should be considered trolling.
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Postby Urantia » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:57 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
All the 9/11 truthers are the same. Come up with a random conclusion, throw out all the evidence which doesn't fit, refuse to consider expert opinions if they disagree and present the findings like it's a bombshell.


Thanks for the blanket generalization. I haven't come up with any conclusion. In fact I stated we can't come up with any conclusion.

Which evidence has been thrown out? You can prove how fire brought down WTC7?

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:59 am

Urantia wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:
All the 9/11 truthers are the same. Come up with a random conclusion, throw out all the evidence which doesn't fit, refuse to consider expert opinions if they disagree and present the findings like it's a bombshell.


Thanks for the blanket generalization. I haven't come up with any conclusion. In fact I stated we can't come up with any conclusion.

Which evidence has been thrown out? You can prove how fire brought down WTC7?

it was the reptiloids, eh?
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Postby Urantia » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:59 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:Everything you need to know about 9/11 conspiracy theories is explained on this site http://www.debunking911.com/index.html

If you're going to disagree, you may as well just press alt-F4. Arguing that 9/11 was a controlled demolition is an insult to engineering professionals everywhere and probably should be considered trolling.


I'm not trolling. I'm stating why claims about WTC7 specifically need to be addressed.

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Postby Agripa Resurgent » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:59 am

Gallup wrote:Yes, you read the right. Rep. Higgins from New York has said on C-Span that he will "review all relevant information" regarding the cowardly terror attacks of 9/11. What do you think of the, NSG?

Me, I think this is silly. We've already had multiple committees that reached the same conclusion. Should we be funding yet another investigation? Everyone knows what happened, exuding some crazy people.

Link: http://freebeacon.com/dem-rep-pledges-t ... th-claims/


The results will be the same, yet all of the truthers who take to the web daily will once again claim it is just the government covering down on it's own. Basically another frivolous waste of tax payer dollars.

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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:59 am

Urantia wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:
All the 9/11 truthers are the same. Come up with a random conclusion, throw out all the evidence which doesn't fit, refuse to consider expert opinions if they disagree and present the findings like it's a bombshell.


Thanks for the blanket generalization. I haven't come up with any conclusion. In fact I stated we can't come up with any conclusion.

You aren't concluding what you should be concluding. Therefore, I'm going to treat you said gravity didn't exist.

Which evidence has been thrown out? You can prove how fire brought down WTC7?

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:02 am

Gallup wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:
All the 9/11 truthers are the same. Come up with a random conclusion, throw out all the evidence which doesn't fit, refuse to consider expert opinions if they disagree and present the findings like it's a bombshell.

Find the answer you want, work back, and throw out the rest.

See: You, with this thread, or the Washington Free Beacon, with the piece you linked to.


Urantia wrote:...Iraqi War Vets,

Like, the guys from the Republican Guard?
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Dem rep "to review" 9/11 truther claims. What?

Postby Urantia » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:13 am



Reading this was interesting. It is entirely possible that this is how WTC7 collapsed. I am not saying I know one way or the other how or why the collapse happened the way it did. I am willingly to posit that I am totally wrong. I am not a conspiracy theorist who wants all to be wrong with the world while I wear my tinfoil hat and bash the Warren Report.

Since I know this will go nowhere I'll simply say this: there should be a review of what happened that day. Can more questions possibly be unhealthy in our society? I'm not saying the world is flat or that the Moon Landing was a hoax. People died on 911 and the world deserves to know why.

Many people on both sides think they know what happened conclusively. I am not one of those people.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:14 am

Urantia wrote:


Reading this was interesting. It is entirely possible that this is how WTC7 collapsed. I am not saying I know one way or the other how or why the collapse happened the way it did. I am willingly to posit that I am totally wrong. I am not a conspiracy theorist who wants all to be wrong with the world while I wear my tinfoil hat and bash the Warren Report.

Since I know this will go nowhere I'll simply say this: there should be a review of what happened that day. Can more questions possibly be unhealthy in our society? I'm not saying the world is flat or that the Moon Landing was a hoax. People died on 911 and the world deserves to know why.

Many people on both sides think they know what happened conclusively. I am not one of those people.

there was a review. www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:18 am

Urantia wrote:


Reading this was interesting. It is entirely possible that this is how WTC7 collapsed. I am not saying I know one way or the other how or why the collapse happened the way it did. I am willingly to posit that I am totally wrong. I am not a conspiracy theorist who wants all to be wrong with the world while I wear my tinfoil hat and bash the Warren Report.

Since I know this will go nowhere I'll simply say this: there should be a review of what happened that day...

And when that review turns up no new information and no vast conspiracy by the US government, we'll have to have another review. And another. And so on, until all the people who insist that there was a conspiracy, the people you are pandering too with this "Oh but we don't really know what happened" attitude, have died off.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:24 am

Really....what the fuck.

They are only giving these idiots attention (Probably a strong word :|)

Really.....god dammit.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:26 am

-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Really....what the fuck.

They are only giving these idiots attention (Probably a strong word :|)

Really.....god dammit.

No one said they were (only implied it).
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