The White Persecution Complex

[Ostroeuropa]

As I previously pointed out, while systemic persecution is fairly obviously not directed at whites as heavily, casual racism is probably directed at them more than they direct it outward.
I think this is part of the reason for this perception.

I do find it pretty hilarious that you people can parrot
"The new racism is denying racism exists"
And then immediately shift gears into denying racism exists. (Against whites ofcourse.)

That said, systemic persecution against whites is substantially lesser than against other races at this time. The problem comes with the thorough rooting out of racist sentiment that has occured among the white populace that hasn't really seen comparable attempts in other racial groups.
I'd be fairly confident in stating that if you are a minority, you are more likely to be a racist.
This is partially because of whites access to education (Education being a surefire way to eliminate racist sentiment), and partially due to the cultural reformations underway in white communities.
That minority-racists hold no power as a result of white racists doesn't alter that fact, only their ability to cause systemic problems.

It could do with rooting out in minority communities, frankly. As a side benefit I expect that the attitudes that anti-racist education fosters will result in more blacks and such losing their homophobia, which is a big problem in the US I gather.

In short, the cultural attitudes of minority cultures are rife with racism that mainstream white culture has been attempting to purge from itself.
Without similar attempts to purge the racist elements of their cultures, I suspect the problems will persist for minority communities, especially problems they are causing eachother.

[ALMF]

Anecdotally, I have seen it as "discriminated against" by having historical advantages/supremacy taken away. Assuming this is the major part, the solution is to fix the perception.

True, but the first step is to find if this is the case or not.

done
and it is

[Marcurix]

True, but the first step is to find if this is the case or not.

done
and it is

I don't think you understood what i meant. I mean it needs to be proven that this equalization, or loss of privileges is the cause for the perception of discrimination.

It's all well and good to source the decreasing gap between races in terms of income and education, but it doesn't prove these people feel discriminated against because of said decreasing gap.

[Condunum]

As I previously pointed out, while systemic persecution is fairly obviously not directed at whites as heavily, casual racism is probably directed at them more than they direct it outward.
I think this is part of the reason for this perception.

I do find it pretty hilarious that you people can parrot
"The new racism is denying racism exists"
And then immediately shift gears into denying racism exists. (Against whites ofcourse.)

That said, systemic persecution against whites is substantially lesser than against other races at this time. The problem comes with the thorough rooting out of racist sentiment that has occured among the white populace that hasn't really seen comparable attempts in other racial groups.
I'd be fairly confident in stating that if you are a minority, you are more likely to be a racist.
This is partially because of whites access to education (Education being a surefire way to eliminate racist sentiment), and partially due to the cultural reformations underway in white communities.
That minority-racists hold no power as a result of white racists doesn't alter that fact, only their ability to cause systemic problems.

It could do with rooting out in minority communities, frankly. As a side benefit I expect that the attitudes that anti-racist education fosters will result in more blacks and such losing their homophobia, which is a big problem in the US I gather.

In short, the cultural attitudes of minority cultures are rife with racism that mainstream white culture has been attempting to purge from itself.
Without similar attempts to purge the racist elements of their cultures, I suspect the problems will persist for minority communities, especially problems they are causing eachother.

It's kind of hard for minorities to purge racism from their cultures when the dominant culture is making a half-assed attempt at such, and minority groups still remain subjugated by whites. It's not a secret that minorities can be racist, but it shouldn't be a secret that the system in place breeds that racism.

And really, we shouldn't point to minority racism against whites. Black teenagers, for instance, have a more negative view of themselves than most other groups, simply because the vast majority of efforts made by the black community to eliminate racism is attributed to the white majority and the government. Wrongly. (edit: they think badly of themselves because our educational system passively tells them they can't fight for themselves, fyi)

[Revolutionarily]

No, it is not a coincidence. It is because they broke the law.

So your contention is that black people are far more likely to break the law than white people?

I know, that sounds like a horrible thing to accuse you of saying, but I'm having a hard time interpreting your post in any other way.

No. I think that the disproportionate amount of them incarcerated is due to the evil white supremacist. It is all a plot after the black man, evidence is faked, jurors paid off. America is against the black man.

[Revolutionarily]

That is what the study shows. The black people are more likely to break a certain law (drug possession) Although it is probably more complicated than that. I would read the whole study and then still not come to a conclusion.

Even though it doesn't directly address possession,this study showing that white people are more likely to abuse drugs than black people would seem to cast this assertion into doubt.

Gangs.

[Ostroeuropa]

As I previously pointed out, while systemic persecution is fairly obviously not directed at whites as heavily, casual racism is probably directed at them more than they direct it outward.
I think this is part of the reason for this perception.



In short, the cultural attitudes of minority cultures are rife with racism that mainstream white culture has been attempting to purge from itself.
Without similar attempts to purge the racist elements of their cultures, I suspect the problems will persist for minority communities, especially problems they are causing eachother.

It's kind of hard for minorities to purge racism from their cultures when the dominant culture is making a half-assed attempt at such, and minority groups still remain subjugated by whites. It's not a secret that minorities can be racist, but it shouldn't be a secret that the system in place breeds that racism.

And really, we shouldn't point to minority racism against whites. Black teenagers, for instance, have a more negative view of themselves than most other groups, simply because the vast majority of efforts made by the black community to eliminate racism is attributed to the white majority and the government. Wrongly. (edit: they think badly of themselves because our educational system passively tells them they can't fight for themselves, fyi)

As I said, the problems they cause eachother are also a big part of their current predicament.
I don't particularly give a shit if it's hard. The institutionalized overt racism of the governments of the past was hard for whites to get rid of. We got it done through united effort with minorities.
Minorities need to work with the establishment to try and eliminate racism from their communities.
Racism has declined in the white community. It is my view that it simply will not decline any further until Minority communities undergo similar reformations.
Racism has a nasty habit of begetting racism.

If the Hispanic and Black communities are treating eachother like scum because they are racist against eachother, it becomes very difficult for members of the white community not to take notice and treat them the way they treat eachother and assume it's simply "the way of things."

[Pope Joan]

Check out the many Innocence Projects, in Illinois and elsewhere.

Minorities convicted of crimes, even capital crimes, are being released because of these projects, which produce DNA evidence proving INNOCENCE. Not just "not guilty, not enough evidence" but absolute innocence.

Why are not more white men (most convicts are men, another prejudice) released under these programs? Because statistically they make up a small percentage of inmates.

So when justice is finally done in this fashion, systemic racism is redressed, not practiced.

Florida's response is to pass a law prohibiting using DNA evidence a few months after any conviction.

Guess what percent of Florida inmates are white.

Or in Texas, or California.

Because only ethnic minorities are ebbil.

http://www.gibbsmagazine.com/blacks_in_prisons.htm

[Serocia]

A majority of the most privileged ethnic group in the most privileged country in the world

I don't believe that.

This is the stuff that fascism is made from

No, it's not.

and something needs to be done about that. Immediately.

Why?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Even though it doesn't directly address possession,this study showing that white people are more likely to abuse drugs than black people would seem to cast this assertion into doubt.

Gangs.

What about gangs?

[Zeganas]

The reason whites believe this is because of the affirmative action law. To me affirmative action is hypocritical.

[Mavorpen]

The reason whites believe this is because of the affirmative action law.

So it's because they don't like not being able to subjugate minorities?

[Siaos]

So a single study is claiming this? It could have just been a weird batch of results which gave this. I doubt that the majority of Americans believe this, from my experience.

If this is true, I would guess it would be because of demonization of whites from idiots on the American far-left who get all the coverage, and the subsequent broadcasting these messages across news channels and the internet. Plus there is the American far-right using the claims by the far-left as evidence that we are being oppressed. Considering how easily persuaded the average American is, and the fact that this nonesense is broadcasted 24/7, it's not surprising.

[Condunum]

It's kind of hard for minorities to purge racism from their cultures when the dominant culture is making a half-assed attempt at such, and minority groups still remain subjugated by whites. It's not a secret that minorities can be racist, but it shouldn't be a secret that the system in place breeds that racism.

And really, we shouldn't point to minority racism against whites. Black teenagers, for instance, have a more negative view of themselves than most other groups, simply because the vast majority of efforts made by the black community to eliminate racism is attributed to the white majority and the government. Wrongly. (edit: they think badly of themselves because our educational system passively tells them they can't fight for themselves, fyi)

As I said, the problems they cause eachother are also a big part of their current predicament.
I don't particularly give a shit if it's hard. The institutionalized overt racism of the governments of the past was hard for whites to get rid of. We got it done through united effort with minorities.
Minorities need to work with the establishment to try and eliminate racism from their communities.
Racism has declined in the white community. It is my view that it simply will not decline any further until Minority communities undergo similar reformations.
Racism has a nasty habit of begetting racism.

If the Hispanic and Black communities are treating eachother like scum because they are racist against eachother, it becomes very difficult for members of the white community not to take notice and treat them the way they treat eachother and assume it's simply "the way of things."

You sound like you suggest the racism in minority groups is primarily their issue when it's not. It's most certainly the issue of the majority group who instilled those racist values, and then managed to claim responsibility for most of the progress in the past century. The truth is, the majority hasn't done nearly as much as minority groups have to eliminate racism. They (we) just have the power to say they (we) do.

[Sanguinea]

Even though it doesn't directly address possession,this study showing that white people are more likely to abuse drugs than black people would seem to cast this assertion into doubt.

Gangs.

America is capitalist, it's against everyone.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The reason whites believe this is because of the affirmative action law. To me affirmative action is hypocritical.

What affirmative action law?

[Leningrad Union]

If you don't notice the impending discrimination of white, you are blind.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If you don't notice the impending discrimination of white, you are blind.

You mean discrimination against whites?

I'd like some reasoning for that claim, please.

[Mavorpen]

If you don't notice the impending discrimination of white, you are blind.

I agree. The discrimination against the color white has gone too far. People keep saying that "black goes with anything." Yeah, but so does white!

[Leningrad Union]

If you don't notice the impending discrimination of white, you are blind.

I agree. The discrimination against the color white has gone too far. People keep saying that "black goes with anything." Yeah, but so does white!

Thank you for actually getting my joke.

[Norstal]

Gangs.

What about gangs?

They don't wear suits like white European mobs. How uncultured!

[Leningrad Union]

What about gangs?

They don't wear suits like white European mobs. How uncultured!

Fucking Philistines

[Ostroeuropa]

As I said, the problems they cause eachother are also a big part of their current predicament.
I don't particularly give a shit if it's hard. The institutionalized overt racism of the governments of the past was hard for whites to get rid of. We got it done through united effort with minorities.
Minorities need to work with the establishment to try and eliminate racism from their communities.
Racism has declined in the white community. It is my view that it simply will not decline any further until Minority communities undergo similar reformations.
Racism has a nasty habit of begetting racism.

If the Hispanic and Black communities are treating eachother like scum because they are racist against eachother, it becomes very difficult for members of the white community not to take notice and treat them the way they treat eachother and assume it's simply "the way of things."

You sound like you suggest the racism in minority groups is primarily their issue when it's not. It's most certainly the issue of the majority group who instilled those racist values, and then managed to claim responsibility for most of the progress in the past century. The truth is, the majority hasn't done nearly as much as minority groups have to eliminate racism. They (we) just have the power to say they (we) do.

Are you suggesting these minorities wouldnt be racist if it werent for the whites?
Further, are you suggesting that whites haven't reduced racist inclinations in their culture, or that other ethnicities have done more to do so?
Any evidence of this?

Or is it just hipsterism and incapability of admitting anyone other than Whitey may have a fucked up culture in need of serious reformation?

[Alien Space Bats]

It's also interesting to see how much commotion there was about the Trayvon Martin case...

Actually, it's not — especially when you consider the underlying context of the Martin shooting: It wasn't just an isolated event, but just one in a continuing series of shootings in which unarmed black youths get shot and killed by armed civilians or police on the basis of a snap judgement and/or suspicion that they don't "belong" where they were when they were shot, or that they were "up to something" and therefore automatically suspect. These shootings, in turn, are part of a broader pattern of suspicion of wrongdoing that affects everything a black person does.

This context is important. What it says is that being black itself is dangerous. As a black, you can "play the game" exactly right: Get a job, move into a safe neighborhood, try to bring your kids up right — and you're still a suspect. Go to a nice store? You're seen as a shoplifter. Buy something nice for yourself? You're seen as likely to be using a stolen credit card, and store detectives will converge on you to demand ID (possibly after calling the police). Drive a nice car? You probably stole it. Jog around the block? You must be running from the scene of a crime. Walk around the block? You're clearly casing the neighborhood, and some far-too-tightly-strung asshole with the neighborhood watch is fully entitled to stop you at gunpoint and blow you away if you sneeze.

This is what leftish circles call the criminalization of race. It's not founded on some kind of persecution complex: It's a real thing, and the fact that it persists is a challenge to the notion that we've achieved some kind of perfect color-blind utopia in which blacks can aspire to the American Dream in complete equality with whites. Maybe a black man CAN become President, maybe a black CAN build a business and make a fortune, and maybe a black CAN pursue whatever career he or she wishes in America; but if being black in America means being under constant suspicion in the eyes of everyone, getting stopped and frisked (or constantly pulled over) by the police for being black, or having to worry if that scared armed civilian is going to pull a gun on you and blow you away, then it's fair to ask: Is this REALLY an "equal" society?

... and how a mixed-race Hispanic was marked as white for political purposes.

For the most part, Latinos ARE whites. "Hispanic" (as the U.S. Census Bureau puts it) is a multi-racial ethnic category: "Hispanics" can be white (eg., most Mexicans), black (eg., most Dominicans), Asian (eg., most Filipinos), or mixed race. And that's not ME talking out my ass: That's the official set of definitions employed by the people who keep the statistics on race and ethnicity in America.

Nor is this ridiculous by any stretch of the imagination. One hundred years ago, most people didn't think Greeks, Italians, or Jews were "white"; fifty years before that, ethnographers were reluctant to consider the Irish as "white". Today, nobody thinks of the Irish, Italians, or Greeks as being anything BUT "white", and nobody even bats an eye when Jews are referred to as "whites". Racial goalposts move; in a century, scarcely anyone will be able to imagine that there was once a day when Latinos were thought of as "non-white" in any way.

In the United States, in 2009, blacks were the largest group of offenders on homicide and a majority of all perpetrators of homicide...

Blacks were also overrepresented among murder VICTIMS as well: In 2009, blacks and whites were murdered at an almost equal rate in spite of whites being over six times more numerous (specifically, 48.7% of all murder victims were white, while 48.6% were black; all other races constituted the remaining 2.7% of murder victims). Note that the cited statistics did not differentiate between Hispanic and non-Hispanic whites; thus it's nearly certain that fewer non-Hispanic whites — the group most people think of as "actual" whites — were killed than blacks overall.

These numbers reflect one of the most important facts about murder in America: That most killings are intraracial, rather than being interracial. Whites constituted 84% of the perpetrator population when only white killings are considered; blacks constituted 93% of the perpetrator population when only black killings are considered. Thus the real issue here is violence within black neighborhoods, which both involves and impacts blacks on either end of the equation; and by the same token, the white supremacist assertion that blacks are predatory animals who seek out and slaughter white victims is essentially bullshit.

Thus, the principal reason why blacks are 8 times more likely to commit murder — and 6 times more likely to become murder victims themselves: The localization of crime in our Nation's inner cities and in the urban neighborhoods immediately around them. Granted, the overall murder rate within these metropolitan areas is falling (as are crime rates all across the country); yet urban crime rates remain unacceptable.

Much of the problem can be found in the lack of economic opportunity within these areas; much of it also is attributable to a general lack of crime-fighting resources. But there are also environmental factors as well (eg., excessive levels of tetraethyl lead dust, still on the ground decades after lead additives were removed from gasoline, awaiting an appropriate cleanup effort [low-level poisoning by lead fuel additives has been shown to stimulate aggression]). All of this is exacerbated by "white flight": The abandonment of our cities by whites, which has in turn resulted in their subsequent political abandonment, to the point where white conservatives openly consider cities themselves to be a "socialist" invention — or at the very least utterly expendable.

Our political system requires consensus to achieve much of anything, and at present there is absolutely NO consensus on how to solve the problem of our decaying cities. Only one Party wants our cities to prosper; the other essentially wants them to die. As long as the Party that enjoys the greatest levels of support among whites refuses to even imagine that there could be any kind of solution to our urban problems, nothing will be done to allay urban blight — and those who live in our cities will thus end up killing and being killed by each other, as is the all-too-frequent fate of slum dwellers (cf., Whitechapel and London's infamous East End in the 19th Century).

In normal years, the amount of whites raped by blacks is measured in the thousands, often over ten thousand, while the amount of blacks raped by whites is 'fewer than ten'.

First, you're misreading the data: The source says "estimate based on fewer than 10 samples", which is not the same thing. I'll recreate the table here so that everyone can see that:

Race of Victim	Number of Single-Offender Victimizations	Total	White Only	Black Only	Other	Not Known and Not Available
White Only	194,270	100.0%	50.6%	16.7%*	15.5%*	17.2%*
Black Only	17,920*	100.0%*	0.0%*	43.0%*	32.3%*	24.7%*

*Estimate is based on 10 or fewer sample cases.
Data includes verbal threats of rape and threats of sexual assault.

IOW (reading and applying the small print), all of the data points marked by an asterisk (*) were extrapolated from 10 or fewer sample cases Nationwide.

<pause>

Yeah, you read that right. In essence, the survey (and that's what we're looking at here, rather than a simple compilation of aggregate crime statistics from across the country) was based on an examination of 10 or fewer cases in which a black victim reported a rape (which is why even the number of cases in which blacks were raped is marked with an asterisk) and 10 or fewer cases in which a white victim was raped by a any kind of non-white (or unidentified) perpetrator (which is why all of the data in the "White Only" line is also marked with an asterisk [excepting the total estimated number of cases and the estimated percentage of white perpetrators]). In fact, it's fairly easy to show (mathematically, based on which entries have asterisks and which don't) that this section of the survey can't possibly be based on an examination of more than 70 cases overall.

IOW, the data here represents a National extrapolation from a very small number of data points, and thus cannot be taken as reliable. Indeed, given the overall frequency of date rape and the number of interracial relationships in which a white man is involved with a black woman (or man) — a number which, in a Nation of over 300 million souls must be at LEAST in the range of several hundred thousand — the assertion that whites almost NEVER rape blacks ("10 or fewer times each year") can only be considered laughable at best.

What IS interesting (indeed, actually quite alarming) about the data is the relative frequency of reported rape among blacks as compared to whites. According to the table (if the numbers are to be believed) less than 9% of all rapes involve black victims; yet blacks represent roughly 13% of the adult population. This suggests that rapes are severely underreported within the black community. We already know that rape is reported far less frequently than it actually occurs, so any further underreporting within any given demographic group is cause for concern.

Of course, if I wanted to, I could take this argument one step further: I could assert than women in general (and black women in particular) don't report rapes perpetrated by white men, either out of fear of retaliation or simply because they know they won't be believed. I could also assert that racial prejudice leads white women to level false rape accusations against black men, especially when subjected to familial pressure against recognizing such liaisons as "legitimate". We certainly know that this USED to be the case in the Jim Crow South half a century ago, so the possibility of the numbers being skewed by this factor (or both factors) is hardly out of the question.

I COULD assert these things, but I won't. I'll just rest with my original observation that the survey is generally worthless, due to a relative paucity of data. One CAN make meaningful observations about large data sets from small samples — but not like this.

Several crimes were committed by blacks against whites that would have outraged the nation, but were not reported on nearly as much as the Trayvon Martin case. These cases included a World War II veteran being beaten to death in a robbery, white couples raped and murdered and children being murdered or set on fire. Yet these cases received very little attention by the media, which was busy portraying a mixed-race Amerindian Hispanic as a white man in order to fit the political narrative that the race baiters needed for their artificial outrage.

Yet in virtually every one of these cases, the perpetrators are caught, tried, convicted and punished. THAT'S the difference: We don't live in a society in which authorities look the other way when blacks victimize whites, or in which black defendants routinely go free after being charged with heinous crimes against white victims. So-called "black-on-white" crime is both tightly policed and severely punished; indeed, that's largely what Richard Nixon's so-called "War on Crime" was ultimately all about (a war, I might add, that we continue to wage today with every bit as much fervor [if not more so], in spite of declining crime rates overall).

But whites DO routinely go free for killing blacks — at least often enough to draw notice — especially when those blacks are seen as being someplace other than where they "belong". We cannot assert that we live in a "color-blind" society of "equal opportunity" if blacks (and other minorities) cannot hope to escape poverty in order to live normal lives free of fear in our better neighborhoods, whatever happens in our slums. Nor can we pretend that racism isn't real so long as we routinely draw snap conclusion about how certain people don't "belong" in certain places merely on the basis of skin color, even if — on PAPER — they have every legal right and every opportunity to be there if they try hard enough.

[Agorapolis]

Gangs.

America is capitalist, it's against everyone.

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