The White Persecution Complex

[Mavorpen]

Riiight. So to you, it's just a coincidence that black people are disproportionately more likely to be pulled over?

Yes, because every black person just happens to have cars used mostly in crimes in their respective area. Seems legit.

No, it is not a coincidence. It is because they broke the law.

You DO know that people aren't pulled over just for speeding, right? Because otherwise, how could you make such a painfully silly claim that ANY time someone is pulled over they broke a law.

[Revolutionarily]

No, it is not a coincidence. It is because they broke the law.

You DO know that people aren't pulled over just for speeding, right? Because otherwise, how could you make such a painfully silly claim that ANY time someone is pulled over they broke a law.

You are right. There is a large conspiracy against blacks brewed up by the training academies. Local departments across the nation specifically guide officers to target blacks in order to incarcerate them because private prisons led by only white supremacists everywhere pay departments to do this. Every cop is indoctrinated into the idea that blacks must be incarcerated and they find any way they can to do this without alarming the public.

[Mavorpen]

You DO know that people aren't pulled over just for speeding, right? Because otherwise, how could you make such a painfully silly claim that ANY time someone is pulled over they broke a law.

You are right.

I'm aware.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

You DO know that people aren't pulled over just for speeding, right? Because otherwise, how could you make such a painfully silly claim that ANY time someone is pulled over they broke a law.

You are right. There is a large conspiracy against blacks brewed up by the training academies. Local departments across the nation specifically guide officers to target blacks in order to incarcerate them because private prisons led by only white supremacists everywhere pay departments to do this. Every cop is indoctrinated into the idea that blacks must be incarcerated and they find any way they can to do this without alarming the public.

Racism isn't always overt. There was a recent study showing that attractive people were more likely to score well in class than unattractive people, regardless of the quality of work. While the teachers might not always knowingly give better grades to more attractive students, it apparently shows over the aggregate of their body of work.

The same goes for "driving while black." It might seem more overt than it actually is, but it's still something that police tend to do, and they should be called out for it when it happens.

All this "check your privilege" talk isn't meant to say "These people are evil, burn them at the stake!" (I mean, unless the racists are advocating for the death of that race; that might be different). It's to show how we might unwittingly do something racist, even when we don't want to show racial preference, and to try to figure out how to combat it.

[Freiheit Reich]

http://politicalblindspot.com/study-finds-white-americans-believe-they-experience-more-racism-than-african-americans/

Study Finds White Americans Believe They Experience More Racism Than African Americans

There’s a saying that “the new racism is to deny that racism exists.” If that is the case, it may explain a study conducted by researchers from Tufts University’s School of Arts and Sciences and Harvard Business School. Their findings claim that self-described white Americans believe they have “replaced blacks” as the primary victims of racial discrimination in contemporary America.

The authors say that their study highlights how the expectations of a “post-racial” society, predicted or imagined in the wake of Barack Obama’s presidency, has far from been achieved.

The study finds that while both Caucasian and African Americans agree that anti-black racism has decreased over the last 60 years, whites believe that anti-white racism has increased. Moreover, the study finds that the majority of Caucasians believe that anti-white racism is a “bigger problem” than what African Americans face.

Tufts Associate Professor of Psychology Samuel Sommers, PhD is the co-author of the article “Whites See Racism as a Zero-sum Game that They Are Now Losing,” from the journal Perspectives on Psychological Science. He comments that ”It’s a pretty surprising finding when you think of the wide range of disparities that still exist in society, most of which show black Americans with worse outcomes than whites in areas such as income, home ownership, health and employment.”

The study was conducted by Sommers and co-author Michael I. Norton of Harvard asking a roughly equal national sample of 209 Caucasians and 208 African Americans to indicate, on a scale of 1 to 10, the extent to which they felt blacks and whites were the targets of discrimination in decades spanning from the 1950s to the 2000s. The scale’s ranking of 1 indicated “not at all” while 10 indicates “very much.”

Both groups reported roughly the same things for the 1950s, with neither believing Caucasians experienced much racism at all during that turbulent decade. Both similarly agreed that at the same time, there was substantial racism against African Americans. Both groups also agreed that racism against African Americans has steadily decreased over time. But here’s where the study gets interesting. Caucasians surveyed believe that the discrimination faced by their African American neighbors has decreased much more rapidly than the African American respondents. Furthermore, they believe that while African Americans now have it better, they – the Caucasians surveyed – have taken their place as the primary targets of discrimination.

“These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality – at their expense,” Norton and Sommers explain.

An astounding 11% of Caucasian respondents assigned the maximum rating of 10 to the seriousness of anti-white discrimination. Compare that with only 2% who reported the same of anti-black racism. Caucasians, the study found, often believe that racial equality is “a zero sum game,” where one group gains at the expense of others.

What are your thoughts?

(Article by M.B. David)

A majority of whites now believe that "racism" against whites is now a bigger problem than racism against blacks. Let that sink in for a minute. A majority of the most privileged ethnic group in the most privileged country in the world think they're the ones being persecuted, and that racial equality is a zero sum game where one group must benefit at the expense of the others.

This is the stuff that fascism is made from, and something needs to be done about that. Immediately.

"A majority of the most privileged ethnic group in the most privileged country in the world think they're the ones being persecuted"

What do you mean by most privleged USA ethnic group? Are Indians considered white these days?

http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobby- ... ority.html

Most privledged nation? In what way? The UN would disagree:

By GDP per capita-Luxembourgh and Qatar are wealthier:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... y_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

In the HDI index, Norway is ranked higher:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... ment_Index

The USA also is #1 in the world in prison population and has a higher crime rate than several nations. Please explain why you think the USA is most privedged nation in the world?

[Alien Space Bats]

There's no practical and pressing imperative for the course of action you are suggesting. There was for the interment...

Other than remembering that we fucked and try not to repeat it? Okay, whatever.

It was a perfectly sensible course of action.

If I'm a Lannister and my lands are at war with the Tyrells; I would immediately lock up anyone who has anything to do with the Tyrells or who is related to them. It just makes sense...

Not doing this is idealistic and naive...

Why would you want to fight a war and not do do what's wise to minimize the chances of the enemy sabotaging you? War's not the time for lofty ideals; it's time for pragmatism and putting safety first.

So tell me about the internment camps we set up for German- and Italian-Americans. I'm having a hard time finding out where they were, or how many people got shipped there, or what happened to their property back home while they were gone...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Riiight. So to you, it's just a coincidence that black people are disproportionately more likely to be pulled over?

Yes, because every black person just happens to have cars used mostly in crimes in their respective area. Seems legit.

No, it is not a coincidence. It is because they broke the law.

So your contention is that black people are far more likely to break the law than white people?

I know, that sounds like a horrible thing to accuse you of saying, but I'm having a hard time interpreting your post in any other way.

[Condunum]

You DO know that people aren't pulled over just for speeding, right? Because otherwise, how could you make such a painfully silly claim that ANY time someone is pulled over they broke a law.

You are right. There is a large conspiracy against blacks brewed up by the training academies. Local departments across the nation specifically guide officers to target blacks in order to incarcerate them because private prisons led by only white supremacists everywhere pay departments to do this. Every cop is indoctrinated into the idea that blacks must be incarcerated and they find any way they can to do this without alarming the public.

You are part of the problem.

[Osterlais]

No, it is not a coincidence. It is because they broke the law.

So your contention is that black people are far more likely to break the law than white people?

I know, that sounds like a horrible thing to accuse you of saying, but I'm having a hard time interpreting your post in any other way.

That is what the study shows. The black people are more likely to break a certain law (drug possession) Although it is probably more complicated than that. I would read the whole study and then still not come to a conclusion.

[Condunum]

So your contention is that black people are far more likely to break the law than white people?

I know, that sounds like a horrible thing to accuse you of saying, but I'm having a hard time interpreting your post in any other way.

That is what the study shows. The black people are more likely to break a certain law (drug possession) Although it is probably more complicated than that. I would read the whole study and then still not come to a conclusion.

Yes, actually, they are. But not for race or inherent behavior issues. The reality of the matter is that poor blacks are disproportionately criminal. Why? Not a simple answer, but it can with half-truth be summed up to this: Afluent blacks lost their land in the late 1800's, Blacks were forced into the underclass in the early 1900's, they suffered harder in the depression, and only received any real protection from legalized racism. Come round to now, our poor schools still spend about half as much per student as they need to be, in no small part due to lack of funds. Then there's the family issue; a history of low education means little to no family knows how to get out of this shit, and many poor families are already broken by the time the child enters school. Not to mention that many people in low income situations turn to drugs and ignore family, because they see no other options. All because we can't teach our people right.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

So your contention is that black people are far more likely to break the law than white people?

I know, that sounds like a horrible thing to accuse you of saying, but I'm having a hard time interpreting your post in any other way.

That is what the study shows. The black people are more likely to break a certain law (drug possession) Although it is probably more complicated than that. I would read the whole study and then still not come to a conclusion.

Even though it doesn't directly address possession,this study showing that white people are more likely to abuse drugs than black people would seem to cast this assertion into doubt.

[New Nassrau]

It is a problem in south africa, and I already believe is a subtle but rising problem in the US

[Pope Joan]

Whites are used to having all the advantages without having to ask for them.
"I earned my way into this position!" says the guy whose dad was in the union before him. Nothing really had to be said, it was all automatic, so he assumed he earned it.
Says the political appointee at the county courthouse whose mom was a major donor.
Says the senior law partner who was lousy in school but whose family was well connected.
Says anybody who was never arrested for "driving while black", whose neighborhood was never redlined, who was never stopped on "suspicion" with n o cause given and released hours later with no explanation....

It's hard to give up all those privileges we liked to take for granted.

Oh, the persecution!

[Norstal]

...What makes you think these cops pull over drivers just in highways?

What do you think is the speed limit in suburban areas?

I personally rarely see cops in suburban areas, just major roads.

So drive along in a road that is 45 and when you see someone going an estimated 65+ tell me the race of the driver.

This is retarded. Do you live in a bad neighborhood? No? Do you live in a small town? Yes? Then of course you don't see fucking police in suburbs.

I don't understand why the fuck you people would extend your knowledge of your own areas into other people's areas. It's bad heuristics. Stop that.

[Condunum]

It is a problem in south africa, and I already believe is a subtle but rising problem in the US

It's not rising in the US, not anywhere but in fringe groups and a few ignorant people. In reality, the race problem in America is still the same one it's been for 400 years.

[Ausira]

Welp, we've gone off topic completely..

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Welp, we've gone off topic completely..

I disagree. I believe that it's a wide-ranging topic in many ways, and that specifics can be worth looking into.

[New Connorstantinople]

Ok, ok everyone, I am white, I am going to be honest, if there are Nazi's out there or something, than cover your eyes.
WE DESERVE TO BE KNOCKED DOWN A PEG OR TWO, ALL FLAUNTING ABOUT COMPLAINING THAT WE AREN'T COMMENDED FOR OUR EVERY ACTION, WE NEED TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE, THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT CAN GET KILLED FOR WEARING CERTAIN STYLES OF CLOTHING FOR GOD'S SAKE, AND HERE US WHITE PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT EASY COMPARED TO THEM, THAT SINCE WE ARENT GIVIN A TAP ON THE BACK FOR OUR EVERY ACTION

Why do i deserve to be "knocked down a peg or two" for being white? I am certainly not a racist and have never committed Hate Crimes. Hows about we stop "knocking down" certain races "a peg or two" and just commend individuals on character and accomplishment?

[House of Thindrel]

I have to say the result of those polls are surprising, I have never seen any racism against Caucasian people in person.

[Marcurix]

I have to say the result of those polls are surprising, I have never seen any racism against Caucasian people in person.

I've never seen discrimination or racism in person against people of African decent. Doesn't mean it isn't common or people don't feel discriminated against.

It would be better to explore why these people feel they have been discriminated against if anything is to be done.

[US NORTHCOM]

http://politicalblindspot.com/study-finds-white-americans-believe-they-experience-more-racism-than-african-americans/

Study Finds White Americans Believe They Experience More Racism Than African Americans

There’s a saying that “the new racism is to deny that racism exists.” If that is the case, it may explain a study conducted by researchers from Tufts University’s School of Arts and Sciences and Harvard Business School. Their findings claim that self-described white Americans believe they have “replaced blacks” as the primary victims of racial discrimination in contemporary America.

The authors say that their study highlights how the expectations of a “post-racial” society, predicted or imagined in the wake of Barack Obama’s presidency, has far from been achieved.

The study finds that while both Caucasian and African Americans agree that anti-black racism has decreased over the last 60 years, whites believe that anti-white racism has increased. Moreover, the study finds that the majority of Caucasians believe that anti-white racism is a “bigger problem” than what African Americans face.

Tufts Associate Professor of Psychology Samuel Sommers, PhD is the co-author of the article “Whites See Racism as a Zero-sum Game that They Are Now Losing,” from the journal Perspectives on Psychological Science. He comments that ”It’s a pretty surprising finding when you think of the wide range of disparities that still exist in society, most of which show black Americans with worse outcomes than whites in areas such as income, home ownership, health and employment.”

The study was conducted by Sommers and co-author Michael I. Norton of Harvard asking a roughly equal national sample of 209 Caucasians and 208 African Americans to indicate, on a scale of 1 to 10, the extent to which they felt blacks and whites were the targets of discrimination in decades spanning from the 1950s to the 2000s. The scale’s ranking of 1 indicated “not at all” while 10 indicates “very much.”

Both groups reported roughly the same things for the 1950s, with neither believing Caucasians experienced much racism at all during that turbulent decade. Both similarly agreed that at the same time, there was substantial racism against African Americans. Both groups also agreed that racism against African Americans has steadily decreased over time. But here’s where the study gets interesting. Caucasians surveyed believe that the discrimination faced by their African American neighbors has decreased much more rapidly than the African American respondents. Furthermore, they believe that while African Americans now have it better, they – the Caucasians surveyed – have taken their place as the primary targets of discrimination.

“These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality – at their expense,” Norton and Sommers explain.

An astounding 11% of Caucasian respondents assigned the maximum rating of 10 to the seriousness of anti-white discrimination. Compare that with only 2% who reported the same of anti-black racism. Caucasians, the study found, often believe that racial equality is “a zero sum game,” where one group gains at the expense of others.

What are your thoughts?

(Article by M.B. David)

A majority of whites now believe that "racism" against whites is now a bigger problem than racism against blacks. Let that sink in for a minute. A majority of the most privileged ethnic group in the most privileged country in the world think they're the ones being persecuted, and that racial equality is a zero sum game where one group must benefit at the expense of the others.

This is the stuff that fascism is made from, and something needs to be done about that. Immediately.

Sure, it's pretty silly to think white Americans are really victims of major, systemic, and debilitating discrimination, but the mindset like that, of having to "rectify this" is not necessarily good either. It turn's people off to legitimate anti racism efforts, and it just serves to make politics and life into a simple black and white (in this case, almost literally!) struggle, as opposed to a highly complex web of factors and attitudes.

Besides, it might be a good idea to give our affirmative action policies and other racial balancing laws a once over to see if they are still relevant, and if they are, how can they be improved.

[ALMF]

I have to say the result of those polls are surprising, I have never seen any racism against Caucasian people in person.

I've never seen discrimination or racism in person against people of African decent. Doesn't mean it isn't common or people don't feel discriminated against.

It would be better to explore why these people feel they have been discriminated against if anything is to be done.

Anecdotally, I have seen it as "discriminated against" by having historical advantages/supremacy taken away. Assuming this is the major part, the solution is to fix the perception.

[Marcurix]

I've never seen discrimination or racism in person against people of African decent. Doesn't mean it isn't common or people don't feel discriminated against.

It would be better to explore why these people feel they have been discriminated against if anything is to be done.

Anecdotally, I have seen it as "discriminated against" by having historical advantages/supremacy taken away. Assuming this is the major part, the solution is to fix the perception.

True, but the first step is to find if this is the case or not.

[Erefen]

So I'm going to try and lay this out...

As a white American, I can sort of see where people would think this (though I disagree completely).

The idea is that whites and blacks and others are now "equal" (even though this is easily debated).
But whites have never faced discrimination, so they think that changes in society are equal to white discrimination.

But that's not the case. We've always lived in a white society. I don't think it was until the 80's and 90's that we started to get a rich cultural mix.
And even then, there was a lot of racism.
Now, in the second decade of the 21st century, we are seeing a decline in racism and an increase in culture-mixing.

So as culture and society change and morph from being white to being a mix, some white people are seeing this as aggressive towards their race.

The fact is, this is not a targeted event. This is inevitable in a world where you can travel from country to country in a few hours.
Culture mixing is a good thing. Humans will eventually all be the same height, color, etc. anyways. It's good to get people used to this.

I think white Americans will learn to accept culture-mixing soon. It's a transition stage.
I think the goal is a world where there is an even mix of all races and cultures in every country.

That's how we eliminate racism.

[ALMF]

http://politicalblindspot.com/study-finds-white-americans-believe-they-experience-more-racism-than-african-americans/

Study Finds White Americans Believe They Experience More Racism Than African Americans

There’s a saying that “the new racism is to deny that racism exists.” If that is the case, it may explain a study conducted by researchers from Tufts University’s School of Arts and Sciences and Harvard Business School. Their findings claim that self-described white Americans believe they have “replaced blacks” as the primary victims of racial discrimination in contemporary America.

The authors say that their study highlights how the expectations of a “post-racial” society, predicted or imagined in the wake of Barack Obama’s presidency, has far from been achieved.

The study finds that while both Caucasian and African Americans agree that anti-black racism has decreased over the last 60 years, whites believe that anti-white racism has increased. Moreover, the study finds that the majority of Caucasians believe that anti-white racism is a “bigger problem” than what African Americans face.

Tufts Associate Professor of Psychology Samuel Sommers, PhD is the co-author of the article “Whites See Racism as a Zero-sum Game that They Are Now Losing,” from the journal Perspectives on Psychological Science. He comments that ”It’s a pretty surprising finding when you think of the wide range of disparities that still exist in society, most of which show black Americans with worse outcomes than whites in areas such as income, home ownership, health and employment.”

The study was conducted by Sommers and co-author Michael I. Norton of Harvard asking a roughly equal national sample of 209 Caucasians and 208 African Americans to indicate, on a scale of 1 to 10, the extent to which they felt blacks and whites were the targets of discrimination in decades spanning from the 1950s to the 2000s. The scale’s ranking of 1 indicated “not at all” while 10 indicates “very much.”

Both groups reported roughly the same things for the 1950s, with neither believing Caucasians experienced much racism at all during that turbulent decade. Both similarly agreed that at the same time, there was substantial racism against African Americans. Both groups also agreed that racism against African Americans has steadily decreased over time. But here’s where the study gets interesting. Caucasians surveyed believe that the discrimination faced by their African American neighbors has decreased much more rapidly than the African American respondents. Furthermore, they believe that while African Americans now have it better, they – the Caucasians surveyed – have taken their place as the primary targets of discrimination.

“These data are the first to demonstrate that not only do whites think more progress has been made toward equality than do blacks, but whites also now believe that this progress is linked to a new inequality – at their expense,” Norton and Sommers explain.

An astounding 11% of Caucasian respondents assigned the maximum rating of 10 to the seriousness of anti-white discrimination. Compare that with only 2% who reported the same of anti-black racism. Caucasians, the study found, often believe that racial equality is “a zero sum game,” where one group gains at the expense of others.

What are your thoughts?

(Article by M.B. David)

A majority of whites now believe that "racism" against whites is now a bigger problem than racism against blacks. Let that sink in for a minute. A majority of the most privileged ethnic group in the most privileged country in the world think they're the ones being persecuted, and that racial equality is a zero sum game where one group must benefit at the expense of the others.

This is the stuff that fascism is made from, and something needs to be done about that. Immediately.

In this case the preceded "discrimination" is a lack of of an historical group advantage. Therefore, the solution is not to make the system less level, but to treat the perception through deprogramming.