Is Atheism faith?

[Distruzio]

No. Its a religion or, rather, a religious perspective. It isnt a faith.

No it's not:

"Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence." (source)

That quote doesnt repudiate my statement in the slightest. An organized set of beliefs doesnt necessitate a heirarchical set of beliefs.

[Seriong]

I'm 0% Atheist but that makes me part atheist.

No, it makes a nonexistent part of you atheistic. Given that that part is nonexistent, it can be disregarded, so for all intents and purposes, you are not even partially atheistic. Now take your pseudophilosophical crap somewhere else.

[Dyakovo]

I'm 0% Atheist but that makes me part atheist.

Give me one good example of how that makes you an atheist.

Because everything is everything and words have no meaning.
*nods*

[Democratic Peoples Society of Mechanisia]

In the middle of this quasi-religious flame war, I'm just going to express my amazement that so far, nobody has found the term "faithiesm" appropriate.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Neo Rome Republic]

In the middle of this quasi-religious flame war, I'm just going to express my amazement that so far, nobody has found the term "faithiesm" appropriate.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Your flag scares me.

[Dyakovo]

No it's not:

"Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence." (source)

That quote doesnt repudiate my statement in the slightest.

Yes, it really does.
Atheism is not an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, or world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. All it is is a lack of belief in a deity or deities.

[Herrebrugh]

No it's not:

"Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence." (source)

That quote doesnt repudiate my statement in the slightest. An organized set of beliefs doesnt necessitate a heirarchical set of beliefs.

Except that it doesn't only say something about beliefs, but also cultural systems and world views (which are in no way uniform for all atheists). Atheism is only a view on whether there are gods (in which case an atheist will say no). Nothing more.

[Distruzio]

I'm 0% Atheist but that makes me part atheist.

No, it makes a nonexistent part of you atheistic. Given that that part is nonexistent, it can be disregarded, so for all intents and purposes, you are not even partially atheistic. Now take your pseudophilosophical crap somewhere else.

But everything i say is impressive. Dont you see that? Actually, you should feel that.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Lack of proof sounds more along the lines of agnosticism.

Agnosticism is not a third position.

Surely, using that model one could state that Gnostic Atheists and Gnostic Theists / Deists use belief to back up their position, while Agnostic Atheists and Agnostic Theist / Deists base their lack of 100% certainty on the simple fact that no one can know as there is no evidence to back either side of the argument, but rather based on faith?

[Dyakovo]

Agnosticism is not a third position.

Surely, using that model one could state that Gnostic Atheists and Gnostic Theists / Deists use belief to back up their position, while Agnostic Atheists and Agnostic Theist / Deists base their lack of 100% certainty on the simple fact that no one can know as there is no evidence to back either side of the argument, but rather based on faith?

Sure, if you felt like lying you could say that.

[Seriong]

No, it makes a nonexistent part of you atheistic. Given that that part is nonexistent, it can be disregarded, so for all intents and purposes, you are not even partially atheistic. Now take your pseudophilosophical crap somewhere else.

But everything i say is impressive. Dont you see that? Actually, you should feel that.

I can just imagine an edgy teenager on the other side of that grinning to himself about how intelligent he is "Oh, well in reality everything is at least partially something else" it's just the same pseudointellectual dreck one would find among elitists.

[Distruzio]

That quote doesnt repudiate my statement in the slightest. An organized set of beliefs doesnt necessitate a heirarchical set of beliefs.

Except that it doesn't only say something about beliefs, but also cultural systems and world views (which are in no way uniform for all atheists). Atheism is only a view on whether there are gods (in which case an atheist will say no). Nothing more.

You assume uniformity among all theists as a corollary to this statement. Your response here is no less true among theists.

[Herrebrugh]

Except that it doesn't only say something about beliefs, but also cultural systems and world views (which are in no way uniform for all atheists). Atheism is only a view on whether there are gods (in which case an atheist will say no). Nothing more.

You assume uniformity among all theists as a corollary to this statement. Your response here is no less true among theists.

No. I never claimed theism is a religion.

[Distruzio]

You assume uniformity among all theists as a corollary to this statement. Your response here is no less true among theists.

No. I never claimed theism is a religion.

Thats nice. But, again, your responses in no way repudiate my statements.

[Herrebrugh]

No. I never claimed theism is a religion.

Thats nice. But, again, your responses in no way repudiate my statements.

Yes, they do. You say I "assume uniformity among all theists", I refute that by noting that I've never claimed that theism is a religion, so I clearly didn't assume uniformity among all theists.

[Norstal]

No it's not:

"Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence." (source)

That quote doesnt repudiate my statement in the slightest. An organized set of beliefs doesnt necessitate a heirarchical set of beliefs.

Atheism is not organized so I don't see your point.

[Kubrath]

More like "little kid spout stupid bullshit day".

Last time I pointed that out, I got called on it

Also, are we done with the topic? The "atheism is totally a faith you guiz" side is entirely made up of Mr. Everything is Everything now

No. This is the time and place where wannabe philosophers and pseudo-intellectuals have an opportunity to flex their brains, and check if they're still operational. Like that guy who said he's 0% atheist, so part of him is atheist. A genuine riot. I say, carry on, there's bound to be something worthwhile out of all of this.

Gems are born in the fiercest of heat, so flame on!

[Menassa]

Oh.... that was your problem, you see my example was just showing how good cannot exist without evil...

No, it wasn't. It was simply making the baseless assertion that that is the case.

Because it was an example....

[Risottia]

No. Its a religion or, rather, a religious perspective. It isnt a faith.

No it's not:

"Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence." (source)

Which does not imply that all organized collections of beliefs, cultural systems and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence are religions, by the way.

[Risottia]

You just said I'm Big Brother, which means you have an opinion about Big Brother. So logically, you are also Big Brother!

Which one of you is the real one?

Both.

Hence, none.

Hence, everyone else.

Hence, no one.

Hence, all of us.

[Distruzio]

That quote doesnt repudiate my statement in the slightest. An organized set of beliefs doesnt necessitate a heirarchical set of beliefs.

Atheism is not organized so I don't see your point.

An organized set of beliefs doesnt necessitate heirarchy. I said that. Would you suggest that an atheist is.possessed of convoluted contradictory beliefs more often than not? No? Then they might just have an organized set of beliefs.

[Savedland]

So....


Is irreligion a synonyms of atheism or something or are they different? If atheism is 'not believing in anything' then what's irreligion

[Luveria]

Which one of you is the real one?

Both.

Hence, none.

Hence, everyone else.

Hence, no one.

Hence, all of us.

Not me.

[NorthEast Alliance]

Yes of course the total lack of religion is a religion.

I don't need faith to not believe in God I just don't.

[Indira]

So....


Is irreligion a synonyms of atheism or something or are they different? If atheism is 'not believing in anything' then what's irreligion

Atheism is simply an absense of belief in God or Gods. The two overlap, but aren't exactly the same thing. You can get buddhist atheists as a prime example. http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... 7178,d.bGQ