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Postby The United States of Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:17 pm

Seriong wrote:
The United States of Nova wrote:

[1]because they don't believe in deities, they are against the belief of them which means they are against them. [2]If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, [3]since Atheism is against religion they have religious views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!! :p

1) No, it means that they don't believe in their existence, it means nothing more.
2) Sure, but they aren't against them, you are making a huge leap, with no backing, unless you are going to honestly say that "I don't believe in X" means "I am against X" in terms of the existence of X. The argument you are making rests on the common misconception among people, that being the connotation of the phrase "I don't believe in" you are trying to say that, just like when someone says "I don't believe in Obamacare" meaning that they are against it, someone saying "I don't believe in God" means that they are against God. That's not what that phrase means in this discussion.
3) Having views on religion does not mean one has religious views. "I have no opinion on Obamacare" according to you, should be met with "Oh, so you're against it, and a Republican!"

Actually yes if you don't believe in something you are against it(thanks for contradicting yourself with your examples).

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Postby Hebalobia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:17 pm

Polgrusan wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:The null hypothesis dictates that the burden of proof is on the theist to prove the existence of a god. As such atheism is faithless.


But there is no 100% proof of there being no God. But Atheists believe there is no God. It's a belief without evidence, just like other religions (although some religions have proof of them existing, especially Christianity).

There's no 100% proof there's no Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy or Purple Unicorns either. However reason requires a lack of belief unless credible evidence of existence is provided.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:17 pm

Merizoc wrote:
The United States of Nova wrote:Everything is everything else, IT just matters the percentage of what something has of something. (which could be 0%) actually everything is made out of atoms and quarks, so everything is everything else.

:palm: How do you argue with this logic? Somebody tell me!

What logic?
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Postby Seriong » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:17 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Doublespeak indeed.

IN A SENSE (and with long thinking) actually yes that would make them communists

I cannot think that you're real.
The United States of Nova wrote:
Vareiln wrote:You do realize that's not logical at all, yes? We're getting into 1984 doublespeak territory here.

Well if you would actually think about it for a while it does make sense.

Yes, if you think about it long and hard enough that you suffer a stroke, it does begin to make sense.
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Twilight Imperium wrote:Hey, since Nova is a Christian, which is against atheism, then he's sort of (in the long sense) an atheist!

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One of us!

In a sense yes.(but I am still a christian)

So, you're a Christian atheist, eh? Well, you know that according to you one of the ideas presented in atheism is being 'against god' from which it follows that you are against the holy spirit, as he is but an extension of God, and you are thus reject him. As, if you are against him then you reject him. This would be blasphemy against the holy spirit, which is actually the one unforgivable sin, so you're destined to hell.
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The Independent States wrote:Um, perhaps you haven't heard that mercury poisons people? :palm:

Perhaps you've heard that chlorine is poisonous and sodium is a volatile explosive?

Drawkland wrote:I think it delegitimizes true cases of sexual assault, like real dangerous cases being dismissed, "Oh it's only sexual assault"
Like racism. If everything's "racist," then you can't tell what really is racist.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:17 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Which one of you is the real one? :unsure:

We're one and the same person. Can't you tell?

And now, Luveria republic is Big Brother, and so am I.
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Postby Seriong » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:18 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Seriong wrote:1) No, it means that they don't believe in their existence, it means nothing more.
2) Sure, but they aren't against them, you are making a huge leap, with no backing, unless you are going to honestly say that "I don't believe in X" means "I am against X" in terms of the existence of X. The argument you are making rests on the common misconception among people, that being the connotation of the phrase "I don't believe in" you are trying to say that, just like when someone says "I don't believe in Obamacare" meaning that they are against it, someone saying "I don't believe in God" means that they are against God. That's not what that phrase means in this discussion.
3) Having views on religion does not mean one has religious views. "I have no opinion on Obamacare" according to you, should be met with "Oh, so you're against it, and a Republican!"

Actually yes if you don't believe in something you are against it(thanks for contradicting yourself with your examples).

How did I contradict myself.
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The Independent States wrote:Um, perhaps you haven't heard that mercury poisons people? :palm:

Perhaps you've heard that chlorine is poisonous and sodium is a volatile explosive?

Drawkland wrote:I think it delegitimizes true cases of sexual assault, like real dangerous cases being dismissed, "Oh it's only sexual assault"
Like racism. If everything's "racist," then you can't tell what really is racist.

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Postby Luveria » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:18 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Which one of you is the real one? :unsure:

We're one and the same person. Can't you tell?


That's deep.

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Postby Distruzio » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:18 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. Therefore Atheism is a faith.


No. Its a religion or, rather, a religious perspective. It isnt a faith.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:18 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Merizoc wrote: :palm: How do you argue with this logic? Somebody tell me!

What logic?

Remember, because there is no logic, it is now logic.

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Postby Twilight Imperium » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:20 pm

It's opposite day! :lol:

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Postby The United States of Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:20 pm

Luveria wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:No. In no way does being opposed to communism make you a communist.


It's kind of like how being opposed to greed makes someone greedy.

Thank you!( I Know that was sarcasm.)

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:21 pm

Luveria wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:We're one and the same person. Can't you tell?


That's deep.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:21 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:It's opposite day! :lol:

Which means that it isn't opposite day!
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:22 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:It's opposite day! :lol:

More like "little kid spout stupid bullshit day".
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:23 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:It's opposite day! :lol:

Which means that it isn't opposite day!

And now you have sentenced us to an endless cycle!

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Postby Twilight Imperium » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:23 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:It's opposite day! :lol:

More like "little kid spout stupid bullshit day".


Last time I pointed that out, I got called on it :(

Also, are we done with the topic? The "atheism is totally a faith you guiz" side is entirely made up of Mr. Everything is Everything now :(
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:26 pm

Distruzio wrote:
The United States of Nova wrote:If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. Therefore Atheism is a faith.


No. Its a religion or, rather, a religious perspective. It isnt a faith.


No it's not:

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Postby The United States of Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:29 pm

I'm 0% Atheist but that makes me part atheist.

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Postby The United States of Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:29 pm

I'm 0% Atheist but that makes me part atheist.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:30 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:More like "little kid spout stupid bullshit day".


Last time I pointed that out, I got called on it :(

That would be, in part, because at that point he was still making an effort to argue his position and it was your only contribution to the thread. I might get called on it as well.
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Postby Seriong » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:30 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Luveria wrote:
It's kind of like how being opposed to greed makes someone greedy.

Thank you!( I Know that was sarcasm.)

So, if we would be to acknowledge that everything is everything else, just to varying degrees, the degree of which can actually be 0%, and as any chain of reasoning would show, the degree to which atheism is a religion is indeed 0%, can we not simply disregard that 0%? What relevance does it have?
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Perhaps you've heard that chlorine is poisonous and sodium is a volatile explosive?

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:30 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:I'm 0% Atheist but that makes me part atheist.

Just shut up.
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Postby Luveria » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:31 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:I'm 0% Atheist but that makes me part atheist.


How?

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Postby The Scientific States » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:32 pm

No, I don't see how that's possible.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:33 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:I'm 0% Atheist but that makes me part atheist.

Give me one good example of how that makes you an atheist.

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