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Twilight Imperium
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:06 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:Hey, since Nova is a Christian, which is against atheism, then he's sort of (in the long sense) an atheist!

One of us!
One of us!

In a sense yes.(but I am still a christian)


Holy crapballs, we've gone full-on crazy. EVERYTHING IS EVERYTHING AURGH

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Gunnery Sergeant Hartman (Ancient)
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Postby Gunnery Sergeant Hartman (Ancient) » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:07 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:Hey, since Nova is a Christian, which is against atheism, then he's sort of (in the long sense) an atheist!

One of us!
One of us!

What the Fuck.

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The United States of Nova
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Postby The United States of Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:08 pm

Luveria wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:So what you're saying is that:
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strenght

Am I correct?


Now you're getting it. Black is actually white, and white is actually black.

actually yes. but they are still there original thing.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:08 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:Hey, since Nova is a Christian, which is against atheism, then he's sort of (in the long sense) an atheist!

One of us!
One of us!

In a sense yes.(but I am still a christian)

You weren't making sense before, you still aren't making sense now.

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Postby Luveria » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:08 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Twilight Imperium wrote:Hey, since Nova is a Christian, which is against atheism, then he's sort of (in the long sense) an atheist!

One of us!
One of us!

In a sense yes.(but I am still a christian)


You're a Christian Atheist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:08 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Then again, as BEING ATHEIST ISN'T BEING AGAINST DEITIES, your answer is totally irrelevant.

Really, reading and comprehension. Always the undervalued skill.



because they don't believe in deities, they are against the belief of them which means they are against them. If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, since Atheism is against religion they have religious views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!! :p


I think that the difference between an object and an opinion about an object is quite evident.
Just as the difference between a solid reasoning and immature, fallacious attempts at debating.
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Postby The United States of Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:09 pm

Merizoc wrote:
The United States of Nova wrote:In a sense yes.(but I am still a christian)

You weren't making sense before, you still aren't making sense now.

LOL.........................................................................................

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European Socialist Republic
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:09 pm

Luveria wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:So what you're saying is that:
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strenght

Am I correct?


Now you're getting it. Black is actually white, and white is actually black.

Doublethink.

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Postby Twilight Imperium » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:10 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Merizoc wrote:You weren't making sense before, you still aren't making sense now.

LOL.........................................................................................


Let us now recite a prayer for our fallen brother. May he find his way to sanity one day.

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Postby Risottia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:10 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:
The United Communist Solar Republic wrote:
Actually, you basically just inadvertently nullified your own argument. Bald is a hair color, the color white. That's the reason the bald eagle is named the bald eagle, and not the 'eagle with no hair on it's head'.


This ^

Already dismantled.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=278280&p=18252610
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:11 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Now you're getting it. Black is actually white, and white is actually black.

Doublethink.

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Omg! You have an opinion about the Big Brother! YOU ARE THE BIG BROTHER! :lol:
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:12 pm

Menassa wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Sure. Asserting that good cannot exist without evil in no way explains anything at all.

Oh.... that was your problem, you see my example was just showing how good cannot exist without evil...

No, it wasn't. It was simply making the baseless assertion that that is the case.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:13 pm

Risottia wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Doublethink.

Big Brother loves you!


Omg! You have an opinion about the Big Brother! YOU ARE THE BIG BROTHER! :lol:

You just said I'm Big Brother, which means you have an opinion about Big Brother. So logically, you are also Big Brother!
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:13 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Then again, as BEING ATHEIST ISN'T BEING AGAINST DEITIES, your answer is totally irrelevant.

Really, reading and comprehension. Always the undervalued skill.



because they don't believe in deities, they are against the belief of them which means they are against them. If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, since Atheism is against religion they have religious views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!! :p

Wrong on all counts.
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Postby Seriong » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:13 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Then again, as BEING ATHEIST ISN'T BEING AGAINST DEITIES, your answer is totally irrelevant.

Really, reading and comprehension. Always the undervalued skill.



[1]because they don't believe in deities, they are against the belief of them which means they are against them. [2]If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, [3]since Atheism is against religion they have religious views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!! :p

1) No, it means that they don't believe in their existence, it means nothing more.
2) Sure, but they aren't against them, you are making a huge leap, with no backing, unless you are going to honestly say that "I don't believe in X" means "I am against X" in terms of the existence of X. The argument you are making rests on the common misconception among people, that being the connotation of the phrase "I don't believe in" you are trying to say that, just like when someone says "I don't believe in Obamacare" meaning that they are against it, someone saying "I don't believe in God" means that they are against God. That's not what that phrase means in this discussion.
3) Having views on religion does not mean one has religious views. "I have no opinion on Obamacare" according to you, should be met with "Oh, so you're against it, and a Republican!"
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Postby The United States of Nova » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:14 pm

Everything is everything else, IT just matters the percentage of what something has of something. (which could be 0%) actually everything is made out of atoms and quarks, so everything is everything else.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:14 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Vareiln wrote:Doublespeak indeed.

IN A SENSE (and with long thinking) actually yes that would make them communists

No. In no way does being opposed to communism make you a communist.
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Postby Luveria » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:15 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Omg! You have an opinion about the Big Brother! YOU ARE THE BIG BROTHER! :lol:

You just said I'm Big Brother, which means you have an opinion about Big Brother. So logically, you are also Big Brother!


Which one of you is the real one? :unsure:

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Postby Luveria » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:15 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The United States of Nova wrote:IN A SENSE (and with long thinking) actually yes that would make them communists

No. In no way does being opposed to communism make you a communist.


It's kind of like how being opposed to greed makes someone greedy.

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:15 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:Everything is everything else, IT just matters the percentage of what something has of something. (which could be 0%) actually everything is made out of atoms and quarks, so everything is everything else.

A cat is a dog and cold snow is actually warm sunshine!
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:15 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:
Vareiln wrote:You do realize that's not logical at all, yes? We're getting into 1984 doublespeak territory here.

Well if you would actually think about it for a while it does make sense.

No, it never makes sense.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:15 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:
The United States of Nova wrote:LOL.........................................................................................


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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:15 pm

The United States of Nova wrote:Everything is everything else, IT just matters the percentage of what something has of something. (which could be 0%) actually everything is made out of atoms and quarks, so everything is everything else.

:palm: How do you argue with this logic? Somebody tell me!

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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:16 pm

Luveria wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:You just said I'm Big Brother, which means you have an opinion about Big Brother. So logically, you are also Big Brother!


Which one of you is the real one? :unsure:

We're one and the same person. Can't you tell?
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Jan 05, 2014 12:16 pm

New Aerios wrote:If Atheism is a religion, off is a TV channel.


So is on by your logic.

Yes atheism is a religion. It just isnt a faith.
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