Is Atheism faith?

[Dyakovo]

Your self-serving bullshit example explained nothing.

It didn't explain to you how there could be no good without Evil?

No. Fallacious assertions do not explain anything.

[The United States of Nova]

I am here to say that if you are against something than you have views about it.

Being atheist =/= being against deities.

Being atheist = not believing deities exist. There's a fine difference, but I'm sure it won't escape you.

If you are against something you have opinions about it, therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith, but sense they are against religion, they are what i call a "semi-faith."

[Dyakovo]

Being atheist =/= being against deities.

Being atheist = not believing deities exist. There's a fine difference, but I'm sure it won't escape you.

If you are against something you have opinions about it, therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith, but sense they are against religion, they are what i call a "semi-faith."

First, it's "since" not "sense". Secondly, atheism is not inherently against religion.

[Menassa]

It didn't explain to you how there could be no good without Evil?

No. Fallacious assertions do not explain anything.

Okay, would you like us to examine my example?

[Vareiln]

Being atheist =/= being against deities.

Being atheist = not believing deities exist. There's a fine difference, but I'm sure it won't escape you.

If you are against something you have opinions about it, therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith, but sense they are against religion, they are what i call a "semi-faith."

What the fuck? That wasn't even a logical progression.

[Twilight Imperium]

Being atheist =/= being against deities.

Being atheist = not believing deities exist. There's a fine difference, but I'm sure it won't escape you.

If you are against something you have opinions about it,

True.

therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith, but sense they are against religion, they are what i call a "semi-faith."

Being atheist =/= being against deities.

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Being atheist =/= being against deities.

[Vareiln]

If you are against something you have opinions about it, therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith, but sense they are against religion, they are what i call a "semi-faith."

First, it's "since" not "sense". Secondly, atheism is not inherently against religion.

Exactly. There are atheistic religions, and not all atheists are antitheists.

[Risottia]

Being atheist =/= being against deities.

Being atheist = not believing deities exist. There's a fine difference, but I'm sure it won't escape you.

If you are against something you have opinions about it, therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith, but sense they are against religion, they are what i call a "semi-faith."

Then again, as BEING ATHEIST ISN'T BEING AGAINST DEITIES, your answer is totally irrelevant.

Really, reading and comprehension. Always the undervalued skill.

[Seriong]

Well, the definition of faith,

''complete trust or confidence in someone or something.''
"this restores one's faith in politicians"

Atheism is complete trust in the fact there is no God.

''strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.''

There is no proof that there is no God, so it requires faith to believe that. Religion is belief in something, so Atheism is a religion.

What do you guys think?

That is not at all what atheism is necessarily, so your chain of reasoning fails. That would work for a gnostic atheist, or as the colloquial term 'strong atheist' but it fails entirely for the agnostic atheist.

[The United States of Nova]

If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. Therefore Atheism is a faith.

[Jetan]

Well, the definition of faith,

''complete trust or confidence in someone or something.''
"this restores one's faith in politicians"

Atheism is complete trust in the fact there is no God.

''strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.''

There is no proof that there is no God, so it requires faith to believe that. Religion is belief in something, so Atheism is a religion.

What do you guys think?

Doesn't work like that. Atheism is not a belief in lack of gods, but a lack of belief in gods.

You require faith to be an Atheist, as there is no proof of there being no God. I would consider agnosticism (?) a lack of faith.

Wrong. Atheism doesn't require faith.

But there is no 100% proof of there being no God. But Atheists believe there is no God. It's a belief without evidence, just like other religions (although some religions have proof of them existing, especially Christianity).

1) Burden of proof lies on the positive claim, that is "god exists".
2) Atheism is not a religion.
3) There is no proof for christianity.

Exorcisms, Shroud of Turin, identical manuscripts etc.

Wrong. Identical manuscripts, Shroud of Turin, exorcisms etc.

None of these is a proof.

Exorcisms are a sham? There's a lot of evidence for them.

Oh no, not this again. There's WAY too much evidence for exorcisms to just shrug it off and say 'it's fake'.

No there isn't. Just misguided belief.

This is a thing according to who?

According to a lot of exorcists and witnesses.

So the scammer claims the scam is true, and this makes it believable?

Shroud of Turin. Radiation is the only way Jesus Christ's image could have appeared on it. A LOT of radiation. Probably from the resurrection.

This:

And perhaps even more miraculously, it appeared on it a full thousand years or so after the resurrection. I'll let John Calvin field this one:

"How is it possible that those sacred historians, who carefully related all the miracles that took place at Christ's death, should have omitted to mention one so remarkable as the likeness of the body of our Lord remaining on its wrapping sheet?"

Atheism requires a lot of faith, however agonostic-ism requires little to no faith

False. Atheism doesn't require faith.

I would agree.

Atheism is having faith that no higher power exists, something that is yet to be proven (but probably never will be).

This is just as Theism and Deism are having faith that a higher power of some description and nature does exist, something that is yet to be proven (but probably never will be).

I'm an Agnostic. I'm not sure if a higher power exists or not and I would need to see conclusive, hard evidence from either side to be convinced.

So yes I would say Atheism is a faith.

You would be wrong. Atheism is not a faith, it's lack of it.

[Dyakovo]

No. Fallacious assertions do not explain anything.

Okay, would you like us to examine my example?

Sure. Asserting that good cannot exist without evil in no way explains anything at all.

[Twilight Imperium]

If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. Therefore Atheism is a faith.

I don't think we can save this alleged sophont

[Seriong]

Being atheist =/= being against deities.

Being atheist = not believing deities exist. There's a fine difference, but I'm sure it won't escape you.

If you are against something you have opinions about it, therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith, but sense they are against religion, they are what i call a "semi-faith."

I would love to know how you got from "not believing in a god or gods" to "being 'against' gods"

[Jetan]

Being atheist =/= being against deities.

Being atheist = not believing deities exist. There's a fine difference, but I'm sure it won't escape you.

If you are against something you have opinions about it, therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith, but sense they are against religion, they are what i call a "semi-faith."

Complete and utter hogwash.

[Vareiln]

If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. Therefore Atheism is a faith.

Oh, hey, look, a repost that brings nothing new to the table.

[Seriong]

If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. Therefore Atheism is a faith.

Did you just post exactly what you posted earlier, ignoring all criticism of it?

[Ansaisa]

Say it with me now, Atheism is a LACK of faith.

[Risottia]

This is a thing according to who?

According to a lot of exorcists and witnesses.

Exorcist, aka: someone who has a vested interest in making people think demonic possessions are real and that exorcisms work. Invalidated for bias.
Witnesses, aka: anecdote providers without any required specific competence or support of objective measurements and data. Invalidated for lack of objectivity.

[Menassa]

Okay, would you like us to examine my example?

Sure. Asserting that good cannot exist without evil in no way explains anything at all.

Oh.... that was your problem, you see my example was just showing how good cannot exist without evil... that was probably the source of our confusion... I thought you were wondering about something else... my mistake.

I think explaining how good cannot exist without evil is a pretty good way to show how good cannot exist without evil.... were you wondering how this related to deities?

[Twilight Imperium]

Say it with me now, Atheism is a LACK of faith.

This thread's de-lurking powers are amazing

I wonder if anyone has an argument besides "ya huh!"

[The United States of Nova]

If you are against something you have opinions about it, therefore, sense Athiesm is against religion they have religous views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith, but sense they are against religion, they are what i call a "semi-faith."

Then again, as BEING ATHEIST ISN'T BEING AGAINST DEITIES, your answer is totally irrelevant.

Really, reading and comprehension. Always the undervalued skill.

because they don't believe in deities, they are against the belief of them which means they are against them. If you are against something you have opinions about it,therefore, since Atheism is against religion they have religious views which makes them a religion, which makes them a faith. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!!

[Solocon]

There is no proof that there is no God, so it requires faith to believe that. Religion is belief in something, so Atheism is a religion.

Wrong. The Scientific Community has come up with proven facts or theories that make a god irrelevant. There is no proof that there is a god, whereas there is lots of proof surrounding an alternative to god, i.e. evolution. You don't need faith to accept it's reality; scientists have taken the time to gather evidence to prove it to you.

[Oneracon]

Atheism is a faith as much as bald is a hair colour.

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[Twilight Imperium]

because they don't believe in deities, they are against the belief of them which means they are against them. If you are against something you

This here is your sticking point. This is what doesn't work.