Is Atheism faith?

[Menassa]

Not really. A creator with vast universe-creating powers and maybe omniscience still works for a lot of thinking Christians.

It's a shame I'm not a thinking Christian.

[Genivaria]

No, why is the act not good if there is no alternative?

Because since there exists no: "I'm not going to help that old lady, or give money to the poor," then doing those things isn't a good act... it's just what happens.

Like waking up after sleeping for 8 hours isn't good, it just... is...

It certainly is good to me.

[Revitopia]

Please do not get into the habit of using "moron" and "idiot" as general terms for people you disagree with. One of these days you will use one of those terms in reference to a specific person here and that will earn you a warning. We don't like handing out warnings, we much prefer people discussed things in a civil manner.

Thanks,
Farn the Mod

Certainly. I've just heard this (essentialy a)debate over semantics used in truly obtuse ways to try and say some very illogical things. To hear the willfully selfdeluded try to say their form of self delusion is better than another's just brings out the jerk in me.
No offense to whomever intended. One can believe whatever they want 99% of everything we think of as true is really just accepted on good faith and common agreement anyway. I've never been to France, pretty sure it exists but it may be a conspiricy of cartographers for all I know.

[Menassa]

Really bad analogy. Helping someone across the street is a simple act of kindness, not a blow against "Evil."

Dang. And here I was waiting for my celestial steed and a my +5 Holy Avenger Vorpal Bastard Sword of Smite Whomever Irks Me...

You can only get that if you complete the quest:

"Hand out pamphlets on the corner"

[Twilight Imperium]

No, why is the act not good if there is no alternative?

Because since there exists no: "I'm not going to help that old lady, or give money to the poor," then doing those things isn't a good act... it's just what happens.

Like waking up after sleeping for 8 hours isn't good, it just... is...

This here is actually the sort of thing I was talking about earlier. There's a choice. If you're just automatically "good", or rather what we in this universe would perceive as good, it makes such "good" meaningless.

[The United States of Nova]

Not really. A creator with vast universe-creating powers and maybe omniscience still works for a lot of thinking Christians.

So What is your belief then cause' you keep confusing me.

[Seshephe]

Not really. A creator with vast universe-creating powers and maybe omniscience still works for a lot of thinking Christians.

It's a shame I'm not a thinking Christian.

I was going to make this joke

[Menassa]

Because since there exists no: "I'm not going to help that old lady, or give money to the poor," then doing those things isn't a good act... it's just what happens.

Like waking up after sleeping for 8 hours isn't good, it just... is...

It certainly is good to me.

Because there exists the 'Evil' of death... or something happening to you when you sleep... or comas...

[Risottia]

what are you and seshepshe arguing about god creates people and gives them free will. He won't interfere with our lives unleses it is pass a certain point, GUILTY!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, what was the guilt of the people of Longarone - infant kids included - that they had to be pulverised into mud (literally) or drowned if they managed to survive the initial blast?

What was the guilt of the kids who were swept away and drowned, or beaten to their death by the flotsam, during the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami?

And how come they got to die worse, earlier and more painful deaths than, let's say, SS war criminal Erich Priebke?

Hint, promising pie in the sky and threatening brimstone in hell doesn't fix everything. It doesn't fix anything. It never has. It never will.

[Genivaria]

It certainly is good to me.

Because there exists the 'Evil' of death... or something happening to you when you sleep... or comas...

Hmmm....I can't think of a rebuttal. Good game.

[Twilight Imperium]

Not really. A creator with vast universe-creating powers and maybe omniscience still works for a lot of thinking Christians.

So What is your belief then cause' you keep confusing me.

I try not to have beliefs, they're too inflexible. However, what I'm describing is a Creator who had to choose between making a functional, flawed universe and none at all. Rather, that what we have is the best He could do, physics-wise.

[Risottia]

Dang. And here I was waiting for my celestial steed and a my +5 Holy Avenger Vorpal Bastard Sword of Smite Whomever Irks Me...

You can only get that if you complete the quest:

"Hand out pamphlets on the corner"

NOOOO!!! I can't face the terrible Crowd of Church-Going, Commie-Hating Old Ladies again!

[Dyakovo]

Why's that?

Why is there no alternative? Because in my scenario the alternative doesn't exist.

In other words, you crafted a bullshit scenario just to support your own position.

[Menassa]

Because there exists the 'Evil' of death... or something happening to you when you sleep... or comas...

Hmmm....I can't think of a rebuttal. Good game.

It's not a game, it just is.... man.

But thinking on it... comas are really frigging scary.

[Risottia]

Hmmm....I can't think of a rebuttal. Good game.

It's not a game, it just is.... man.

But thinking on it... comas are really frigging scary.

My second-ranking terror. Right after folly with brief lapses of lucidity.

[Menassa]

Why is there no alternative? Because in my scenario the alternative doesn't exist.

In other words, you crafted a bullshit scenario just to support your own position.

Otherwise known as an example... yes.... but not to support my friend... to explain.

You can only get that if you complete the quest:

"Hand out pamphlets on the corner"

NOOOO!!! I can't face the terrible Crowd of Church-Going, Commie-Hating Old Ladies again!

You'll get 30 gold and if you hand out more than the required without touching anyone +3 agility.

[Menassa]

It's not a game, it just is.... man.

But thinking on it... comas are really frigging scary.

My second-ranking terror. Right after folly with brief lapses of lucidity.

Kidney stones for me.... and the Iron Bull...

[Genivaria]

Hmmm....I can't think of a rebuttal. Good game.

It's not a game, it just is.... man.

But thinking on it... comas are really frigging scary.

You think that's scary? You should've seen what I posted yesterday for the PoE.
I think I might've given some people nightmares actually.

[Seshephe]

So What is your belief then cause' you keep confusing me.

I try not to have beliefs, they're too inflexible. However, what I'm describing is a Creator who had to choose between making a functional, flawed universe and none at all. Rather, that what we have is the best He could do, physics-wise.

Why stipulate anything at all about the universes creation, something that we know nothing about? Why not just say "somehow the universe was created" and let the physicists figure out the rest if they can.

[Menassa]

It's not a game, it just is.... man.

But thinking on it... comas are really frigging scary.

You think that's scary? You should've seen what I posted yesterday for the PoE.
I think I might've given some people nightmares actually.

PoE?

[Menassa]

It's a shame I'm not a thinking Christian.

I was going to make this joke

Great minds think alike.

[Genivaria]

You think that's scary? You should've seen what I posted yesterday for the PoE.
I think I might've given some people nightmares actually.

PoE?

Problem of Evil.

[Farnhamia]

Hmmm....I can't think of a rebuttal. Good game.

It's not a game, it just is.... man.

But thinking on it... comas are really frigging scary.

But they aren't "Evil," they just ... are, man. "Evil" implies intent. Comas have no intent. And anyway, comas are the only method of time-travel we have. Not exactly reliable since you can't tell where (when) you'll arrive or if you'll arrive, but still.

Anyway, I'm not sure how much of this is on topic.

[Twilight Imperium]

I try not to have beliefs, they're too inflexible. However, what I'm describing is a Creator who had to choose between making a functional, flawed universe and none at all. Rather, that what we have is the best He could do, physics-wise.

Why stipulate anything at all about the universes creation, something that we know nothing about? Why not just say "somehow the universe was created" and let the physicists figure out the rest if they can.

Because the entire propositions rests on the initial assumption "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." That's why I don't truck with it, myself.

[Genivaria]

In other words, you crafted a bullshit scenario just to support your own position.

Otherwise known as an example... yes.... but not to support my friend... to explain.

NOOOO!!! I can't face the terrible Crowd of Church-Going, Commie-Hating Old Ladies again!

You'll get 30 gold and if you hand out more than the required without touching anyone +3 agility.

I better be getting Piety from this to. I need to impress the local priests after pissing them off.