Is Atheism faith?

[Aurora Novus]

Can we at least be honest about something? There is no realistic inbetween here. There is no "Oh, I simply lack a belief in God, that's not saying I believe no God exists". Yes, it is. You either believe a god exists, or you don't. You can be unsure in your stance, but it is still your stance. Let's at least own up to them.

And that does not mean that the rejecting of deity is a faith-based decision. It's not, as I've already stated earlier in the topic. But let's at least be honest about our positions.

[Talsinki]

It isn't. They don't belive in god so it seems logical that they are not.

[Aurora Novus]

It isn't. They don't belive in god so it seems logical that they are not.

Well, faith has nothing to do with deity. You can have faith, and not believe in God. Everyone has faith, even atheists. The belief that there is a mind-independant reality is itself a faith. But beliefs like these we prefer to call properly basic beliefs.

It is simply that the rejection of the notion of deity is not (or least, does not have to be) a faith-based one.

[Sociobiology]

she gave you the case name, that's more than most people on NSG give you.

I'm a female now?

I assume everyone is until I learn otherwise

[Conscentia]

I'm a female now?

I assume everyone is until I learn otherwise

Why?

[Dyakovo]

I assume everyone is until I learn otherwise

Why?

Why not?

[Mavorpen]

I assume everyone is until I learn otherwise

Why?

There's a comfort in believing you're surrounded by women, even when you aren't.

[Czechanada]

I assume everyone is until I learn otherwise

Why?

Sandy, you may not have noticed that I is one hundred percent fehmale.

[Talsinki]

It isn't. They don't belive in god so it seems logical that they are not.

Well, faith has nothing to do with deity. You can have faith, and not believe in God. Everyone has faith, even atheists. The belief that there is a mind-independant reality is itself a faith. But beliefs like these we prefer to call properly basic beliefs.

It is simply that the rejection of the notion of deity is not (or least, does not have to be) a faith-based one.

Everyone has their own choices. It isn't a faith but a fact.

[Sociobiology]

Why?

There's a comfort in believing you're surrounded by women, even when you aren't.

ooh I like that reason.
I just do it to subtly point out our language assumes the opposite.

[Dyakovo]

It isn't. They don't belive in god so it seems logical that they are not.

Well, faith has nothing to do with deity. You can have faith, and not believe in God. Everyone has faith, even atheists. The belief that there is a mind-independant reality is itself a faith. But beliefs like these we prefer to call properly basic beliefs.

It is simply that the rejection of the notion of deity is not (or least, does not have to be) a faith-based one.

Unsurprising that you would misuse a word.

[Aurora Novus]

Well, faith has nothing to do with deity. You can have faith, and not believe in God. Everyone has faith, even atheists. The belief that there is a mind-independant reality is itself a faith. But beliefs like these we prefer to call properly basic beliefs.

It is simply that the rejection of the notion of deity is not (or least, does not have to be) a faith-based one.

Unsurprising that you would misuse a word.

I've not misued any word. Atheists do have faith. Not about the non-existence of God, but about other things.

[Aurora Novus]

Well, faith has nothing to do with deity. You can have faith, and not believe in God. Everyone has faith, even atheists. The belief that there is a mind-independant reality is itself a faith. But beliefs like these we prefer to call properly basic beliefs.

It is simply that the rejection of the notion of deity is not (or least, does not have to be) a faith-based one.

Everyone has their own choices. It isn't a faith but a fact.

I'm not sure what you mean here. I don't see how it relates to my post.

[Seriong]

Can we at least be honest about something? There is no realistic inbetween here. There is no "Oh, I simply lack a belief in God, that's not saying I believe no God exists". Yes, it is. You either believe a god exists, or you don't. You can be unsure in your stance, but it is still your stance. Let's at least own up to them.

And that does not mean that the rejecting of deity is a faith-based decision. It's not, as I've already stated earlier in the topic. But let's at least be honest about our positions.

So, either we assert that a god exists, or we assert that one does not exist? Can we not simply say "I don't know"? The only honest position one can take?

[Dyakovo]

Can we at least be honest about something? There is no realistic inbetween here. There is no "Oh, I simply lack a belief in God, that's not saying I believe no God exists". Yes, it is. You either believe a god exists, or you don't. You can be unsure in your stance, but it is still your stance. Let's at least own up to them.

And that does not mean that the rejecting of deity is a faith-based decision. It's not, as I've already stated earlier in the topic. But let's at least be honest about our positions.

Misstating a position is honesty now?

[Aurora Novus]

Can we at least be honest about something? There is no realistic inbetween here. There is no "Oh, I simply lack a belief in God, that's not saying I believe no God exists". Yes, it is. You either believe a god exists, or you don't. You can be unsure in your stance, but it is still your stance. Let's at least own up to them.

And that does not mean that the rejecting of deity is a faith-based decision. It's not, as I've already stated earlier in the topic. But let's at least be honest about our positions.

So, either we assert that a god exists, or we assert that one does not exist? Can we not simply say "I don't know"? The only honest position one can take?

Yes and no. You can certainly express your lack of definite knowlege on a given claim, but the fact is you live your day to day life in one of two ways. You either live it as if a god exists, or you don't. You may even shift positions from each ay to the next. You may flip flop even during the same day. But you do, in fact, live your life in one of those two realms, even when you express your lack of definite knowledge.

So even if you assert that you don't know, you still also assert one position.

[Othelos]

So, either we assert that a god exists, or we assert that one does not exist? Can we not simply say "I don't know"? The only honest position one can take?

Yes and no. You can certainly express your lack of definite knowlege on a given claim, but the fact is you live your day to day life in one of two ways. You either live it as if a god exists, or you don't. You may even shift positions from each ay to the next. You may flip flop even during the same day. But you do, in fact, live your life in one of those two realms, even when you express your lack of definite knowledge.

So even if you assert that you don't know, you still also assert one position.

Hence, agnostic atheism or agnostic theism.

[Aurora Novus]

Can we at least be honest about something? There is no realistic inbetween here. There is no "Oh, I simply lack a belief in God, that's not saying I believe no God exists". Yes, it is. You either believe a god exists, or you don't. You can be unsure in your stance, but it is still your stance. Let's at least own up to them.

And that does not mean that the rejecting of deity is a faith-based decision. It's not, as I've already stated earlier in the topic. But let's at least be honest about our positions.

Misstating a position is honesty now?

I've not misstated a position. If you believe I have, perhaps you should explain. Again, I did not say Atheists have faith about the non-existence of God. All I stated was that faith is not itself a purely religious thing, as even Atheists have faith about certain things. I then gave the example of the belief in a mind-independant reality.

So, unless you either are contesting my definition of faith, or you have 100% proof that there is a mind-independant reality, I fail to see what you can take issue with.

[Aurora Novus]

Yes and no. You can certainly express your lack of definite knowlege on a given claim, but the fact is you live your day to day life in one of two ways. You either live it as if a god exists, or you don't. You may even shift positions from each ay to the next. You may flip flop even during the same day. But you do, in fact, live your life in one of those two realms, even when you express your lack of definite knowledge.

So even if you assert that you don't know, you still also assert one position.

Hence, agnostic atheism or agnostic theism.

Precisely.

[Seriong]

So, either we assert that a god exists, or we assert that one does not exist? Can we not simply say "I don't know"? The only honest position one can take?

Yes and no. You can certainly express your lack of definite knowlege on a given claim, but the fact is you live your day to day life in one of two ways. You either live it as if a god exists, or you don't. You may even shift positions from each ay to the next. You may flip flop even during the same day. But you do, in fact, live your life in one of those two realms, even when you express your lack of definite knowledge.

So even if you assert that you don't know, you still also assert one position.

I live my life, as though God may or may not exist. Thus, it doesn't impact me, I do not however

believe no God exists"

As you assert I must.

[Aurora Novus]

Yes and no. You can certainly express your lack of definite knowlege on a given claim, but the fact is you live your day to day life in one of two ways. You either live it as if a god exists, or you don't. You may even shift positions from each ay to the next. You may flip flop even during the same day. But you do, in fact, live your life in one of those two realms, even when you express your lack of definite knowledge.

So even if you assert that you don't know, you still also assert one position.

I live my life, as though God may or may not exist. Thus, it doesn't impact me, I do not however

believe no God exists"

As you assert I must.

Actually, yes, you do. even if you are wary in standing by that position, by not living your life as if god exists, you live it as if one does not exist. That behavior is an expression of the position you hold. You're simply not being honest with yourself if you say you don't hold that position during those times.

[Seriong]

I live my life, as though God may or may not exist. Thus, it doesn't impact me, I do not however

As you assert I must.

Actually, yes, you do. even if you are wary in standing by that position, by not living your life as if god exists, you live it as if one does not exist. That behavior is an expression of the position you hold. You're simply not being honest with yourself if you say you don't hold that position during those times.

No, I am in no way acting as if he definitively does not exist, I am living as if he may or may not exist, as is the only honest way to live. Allow me to explain the difference, one living their life as if a god does not exist, cannot ascribe anything to such a being, nor can they accept any possibility of an event being the result of a deity, living as though a god may or may not exist, is, while not actively ascribing any event to a deity, is acknowledging that it is possible for such an event to be the result of a god.

[Conscentia]

I live my life, as though God may or may not exist. Thus, it doesn't impact me, I do not however

As you assert I must.

Actually, yes, you do. even if you are wary in standing by that position, by not living your life as if god exists, you live it as if one does not exist. That behavior is an expression of the position you hold. You're simply not being honest with yourself if you say you don't hold that position during those times.

So someone who has never heard of god, and thus does not believe in god, believes no god exists?

[Marxina]

Atheism is a faith/religion like of is a television channel.

[Breadknife]

It is exactly the same thing, assuming the Big Bang is the event that causes Nothing to be Something(s).

It seems I fail to comprehend your arguments (which is probably my own failing in comprehension). But I don't want to be thought to be ignoring you out of spite, so I thought I ought to tell you this.