Worst American president in history?

[Seleucas]

Gonna have to go for Woodrow Wilson, with the Federal Reserve and his support of the Triple Entente (among other things.)

[Mikia]

Andrew Johnson. He totally botched Reconstruction and pardoned the Confederate traitors. Thanks to him, a North-South reconciliation was never achieved and we missed out on the opportunity of building a stronger identity. Did I mention how he fucked up Reconstruction and let terrorism run rampant in the South?

Andrew Johnson was a fine president. (given the situation) The Confederates were not traitors for seceeding because they felt that their state rights were threatened. (Unless your one of the folk who think the entire war was about slavery.)

Anyways, in my opinion, perhaps Nixon, given he made the American people lose so much trust in the government's leadership.

(Unless your one of the folk who think the entire war was about slavery.) about this part you can't have the south protecting there way of life back then without including it and it is a huge reason why they were afraid of Lincoln.

Also the worst President was John Adams who through the sedition Acts ended freedom of speech and press until 1800 when Jefferson took over (which Adams fled the night before)

[Lack there of]

100% Woodrow Wilson. With the creation of the Federal Reserve System and the 16th amendment he plunged the American public into never ending debt slavery. Also, prohibition, WW1, numerous stiflings of the press and free speech, and blatantly racist

[Demencia]

Everyone's hating post-WWII, I'm going to kick it old school and say John Tyler.

He supported secession (this was after his presidency but still)
He was kind of an asshole by asserting he was the sole authority and tthat his (William H. harrison's actually) cabinet was only there to support him, and that he wouldn't go on majority vote like harrison did.
Also everything about his asserting *he* was going to be president, it was *his* right, while technically all legal and correct, is worrying. He saw taking the oath of office as redundant as he had been sworn in as VP, and did not want to wait for an official ruling from anyone. Also he took the oath in a hotel room... that's not really fancy is it?

He undermined every president before him did, screwing up Van Buren's Treasury. He passed ''squatter's sovreignity'' (whatever that was supposed to accomplish)

He forced Native American assimilation more than a lot of otehr presidents and he ordered a lot of the frontier forts to be built.

[Post-Keynesian Economics]

100% Woodrow Wilson. With the creation of the Federal Reserve System and the 16th amendment he plunged the American public into never ending debt slavery. Also, prohibition, WW1, numerous stiflings of the press and free speech, and blatantly racist

"Debt slavery."

Please explain in what way this nation or you as an individual have been enslaved by other countries' investment in the United States.

[WRIF Army]

Obama was the worse, hands down.

[Gauthier]

Obama was the worse, hands down.

Obama let the Union dissolve and brought the country into the Great Depression? Wow.

[WRIF Army]

Obama was the worse, hands down.

Obama let the Union dissolve and brought the country into the Great Depression? Wow.

You forgetting context, starting point my good man.

[Mirkana]

William Henry Harrison. All he did was catch pneumonia and die.

[Post-Keynesian Economics]

Obama let the Union dissolve and brought the country into the Great Depression? Wow.

You forgetting context, starting point my good man.

Starting point = Great Recession, two wars, rising distrust of government in general and rapidly escalating income inequality.

[WRIF Army]

You forgetting context, starting point my good man.

Starting point = Great Recession, two wars, rising distrust of government in general and rapidly escalating income inequality.

Starting point = from greatest economic juggernaut in history, unparalleled military power to record food stamps, poverty, long term unemployment, two lost wars, chaos in Middle East, disrespected/hated more than even Bush.....

Need I say more, my good man ?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Obama was the worse, hands down.

You either lack knowledge of history, sense of context, or both.

[WRIF Army]

You forgetting context, starting point my good man.

Starting point = Great Recession, two wars, rising distrust of government in general and rapidly escalating income inequality.

Can I entertain you with a test ?

Do you think Obama lied when he said " you can keep your doctor if you want" ?

Just curious.

[WRIF Army]

Obama was the worse, hands down.

You either lack knowledge of history, sense of context, or both.

Do you think Obama lied when he said "you can keep your doctor" ?

Just curious to see where your starting point is.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Starting point = Great Recession, two wars, rising distrust of government in general and rapidly escalating income inequality.

Starting point = from greatest economic juggernaut in history, unparalleled military power to record food stamps, poverty, long term unemployment, two lost wars, chaos in Middle East, disrespected/hated more than even Bush.....

Need I say more, my good man ?

Greatest economic juggernaut in history? The economy had collapsed.

Unparalleled military power? Bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Record food stamps and poverty started under Bush. As every single major jobs program proposed by the administration was blocked by Congress, long-term unemployment must be laid at their feet as well. The wars were lost by the time he took office. Chaos in the Middle East is a constant state of affairs, but it was our invasion of Iraq that made it impossible.

For your final comment, I'll need a source.

[Post-Keynesian Economics]

Starting point = Great Recession, two wars, rising distrust of government in general and rapidly escalating income inequality.

Starting point = from greatest economic juggernaut in history, unparalleled military power to record food stamps, poverty, long term unemployment, two lost wars, chaos in Middle East, disrespected/hated more than even Bush.....

Need I say more, my good man ?

Yes. Even if your hyperbolic statements were remotely true, let's look at what a president can actually do. What exactly did President Obama do that "caused" record food stamps, poverty, and long term unemployment?

[Gauthier]

Starting point = Great Recession, two wars, rising distrust of government in general and rapidly escalating income inequality.

Starting point = from greatest economic juggernaut in history, unparalleled military power to record food stamps, poverty, long term unemployment, two lost wars, chaos in Middle East, disrespected/hated more than even Bush.....

Need I say more, my good man ?

1) So Obama gave tax cuts to the rich at the same time he waged two wars in the Middle East?

2) Military families are one of the biggest dependents of SNAP assistance. And contrary to popular beliefs, whites tend to be the biggest dependents.

3) Proof of massive poverty?

4) You mean the unemployments that Obama wanted to fix with job bills that Congress blocked because Republicans have negrophobia?

5) Because toppling an admittedly stable dictatorship to open up a country to sectarian influence and half-assing a justifiable invasion to let the Taliban rebound from extinction in the same breath was a sign of success.

6) Proof Obama is more unpopular than Bush in the world?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You either lack knowledge of history, sense of context, or both.

Do you think Obama lied when he said "you can keep your doctor" ?

Just curious to see where your starting point is.

Wait, that makes him the worst President in history?

He didn't lie. He made a promise he wasn't able to keep. It was foolish, but not a lie.

[The Kingdom of Nea Hellas]

Benjamin Harrison. Useless president.

[WRIF Army]

Starting point = from greatest economic juggernaut in history, unparalleled military power to record food stamps, poverty, long term unemployment, two lost wars, chaos in Middle East, disrespected/hated more than even Bush.....

Need I say more, my good man ?

Greatest economic juggernaut in history? The economy had collapsed.

Unparalleled military power? Bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Record food stamps and poverty started under Bush. As every single major jobs program proposed by the administration was blocked by Congress, long-term unemployment must be laid at their feet as well. The wars were lost by the time he took office. Chaos in the Middle East is a constant state of affairs, but it was our invasion of Iraq that made it impossible.

For your final comment, I'll need a source.

Obama said that w/o the stimulus that unemployment would reach 8.5%. It reached 10% with it.

That pretty much tells me, the guy is clueless. But here is context for you:



Funny that Obama brags about the need for a strong government to provide social services, yet when in power he can't even fund his own pet project. Also, discretionary spending has dropped under Obama, transportation, education, security... are all being crowded out by debt and mandatory spending that Obama hasn't addressed.

He is government's worse enemy it appears, funny that Bush should be lauded by liberals for expanding government (which probably explains why economy tanked)

[Seveth]

Starting point = Great Recession, two wars, rising distrust of government in general and rapidly escalating income inequality.

Starting point = from greatest economic juggernaut in history, unparalleled military power to record food stamps, poverty, long term unemployment, two lost wars, chaos in Middle East, disrespected/hated more than even Bush.....

Need I say more, my good man ?

While I agree Obama isn't the greatest, your arguments make no sense...

Greatest economic juggernaut? Our economy had just collapsed less than a year before. Did Obama somehow cause the stock-market crash?

Disrespected/hated more than Bush? His approval ratings are better than Bush's and no one has thrown a shoe at him

Chaos in the Middle East? There's been chaos in the Middle East for a while and Obama certainly wan't the cause of it. One could probably trace it back to the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

Unparalleled military power? I can't really argue with that, but that's just because we outspend everyone else.

Also, your saying Obama is worse than Nixon who, when he found out LBJ was trying to get peace talks between North and South Vietnam, managed to get them called off because he knew that he wouldn't be elected if they went through.

http://hnn.us/article/60446

[WRIF Army]

Starting point = from greatest economic juggernaut in history, unparalleled military power to record food stamps, poverty, long term unemployment, two lost wars, chaos in Middle East, disrespected/hated more than even Bush.....

Need I say more, my good man ?

1) So Obama gave tax cuts to the rich at the same time he waged two wars in the Middle East?

2) Military families are one of the biggest dependents of SNAP assistance. And contrary to popular beliefs, whites tend to be the biggest dependents.

3) Proof of massive poverty?

4) You mean the unemployments that Obama wanted to fix with job bills that Congress blocked because Republicans have negrophobia?

5) Because toppling an admittedly stable dictatorship to open up a country to sectarian influence and half-assing a justifiable invasion to let the Taliban rebound from extinction in the same breath was a sign of success.

6) Proof Obama is more unpopular than Bush in the world?

1. Sen Obama voted with Bush to bail out Wall St with Main St wealth, that kinda of sucks.

2. I don't know why you brought up skin color ?

3. Record long term unemployment, food stamps, welfare recipients, debt, income inequality, wage stagnation....

4. Funny, that Obama said economy would suffer because of government shutdown since Tea Party gained power and yet we grew over 4% last quarter.

5. Stable dictatorship ? Saddam invaded, gassed two countries without provocation. Also he was working to acquire nuclear weapons: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... hawie.html

6. http://www.salon.com/2011/07/13/arabs/ Jeez, even in the Middle East, Bush is more popular than Obama !

[The Republic Of Ardenhelm]

Nixon... haduuuurrrrrr...

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Greatest economic juggernaut in history? The economy had collapsed.

Unparalleled military power? Bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Record food stamps and poverty started under Bush. As every single major jobs program proposed by the administration was blocked by Congress, long-term unemployment must be laid at their feet as well. The wars were lost by the time he took office. Chaos in the Middle East is a constant state of affairs, but it was our invasion of Iraq that made it impossible.

For your final comment, I'll need a source.

Obama said that w/o the stimulus that unemployment would reach 8.5%. It reached 10% with it.

That pretty much tells me, the guy is clueless. But here is context for you:

That's GOVERNMENT job growth. When you have to make major cutbacks in the government (as he's had to do every single year since the GOP took over Congress), you tend to shed jobs in that sector.

Here's private sector job growth under Obama.

[The Republic of Llamas]

100% Woodrow Wilson. With the creation of the Federal Reserve System and the 16th amendment

He stabilized the American economy and currency? He undid the worst thing that Jackson did in his presidency? He helped to guarantee prosperity for future generations by creating a lender of last resort which could regulate market liquidity?

he plunged the American public into never ending debt slavery.

Actually... Martin van Buuren did that. Check it, he was the president in charge when the US got into debt and stayed there for the rest of history. George Washington and the Second Continental Congress also did that, but Jackson did the most incredibly idiotic thing in human history, from the viewpoint of an economist, by helping to destroy the government credit which modern economic systems are built on. Panic of 1837, anyone?

Also, prohibition,

Was not really that bad of an idea... Perhaps I disagree, but is "The people have a right to get drunk!" the best excuse for naming someone worst president ever?

WW1,

Which Woodrow Wilson wanted to keep the United States out of, and did for three quarters of the war, only entering when Americans were attacked by Germany with no regard for life. In addition, Woodrow Wilson did an exemplary job of handling American troops, with casualties at only 116,708, compared to almost eight times that many for the British, who also happened to be away from the main fighting and who had half the population. Wilson tried to avoid bleeding America dry and only contributed to a final push which would finish Germany off quickly, rather than attempting to bog down the country while it was nothing to do with us.

numerous stiflings of the press and free speech,

Typical for the age, and not as bad considering the fact that the country was in a state of emergency.

and blatantly racist

Many people of the time were. He considered it unimportant and typical. On the other hand, Ron Paul, who I'm willing to bet you adore, has no such excuses.