Worst American president in history?

[United Traders]

Not directly because of the civil war.

Then what?

The fact that he had even allowed the civil war to happen and that he had denied southern states their right to succeed from the union. He was also pretty stupid choosing a running mate from the opposite party...

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

It got worse after Wilson though. Remember, after WWII it basically became illegal to even be friends with a "subversive" (and being "subversive" was very ill-defined)

Them good ole days of Anti-Commie sentiment, right?

Have those days ever really gone away? Communism is still viewed as a backwater ideology, it's just there's no real "threat" of communism anymore, since the iron curtain fell.

[Death Metal]

Not directly because of the civil war.

Then what?

The only really sketchy thing he did was suspend habeus corpus.

Though he's hardly the only one. Hell, look at the AUMF2001.

[United Traders]

George Washington for starting America in the first place

You don't know history very well...

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

Then what?

The fact that he had even allowed the civil war to happen and that he had denied southern states their right to succeed from the union. He was also pretty stupid choosing a running mate from the opposite party...

No state has a right to secede from the union. No state can survive on their own. Also, choosing the running mate from an opposite party was a wise move to show he could be bipartisan. Of course, when his running mate became president, he turned out to be one of the worst presidents ever.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

Them good ole days of Anti-Commie sentiment, right?

Have those days ever really gone away? Communism is still viewed as a backwater ideology, it's just there's no real "threat" of communism anymore, since the iron curtain fell.

Well, communism is always a threat to Nationalism and Religion (not to mention private property), so I would think that the Nationalistic and Religious US would consider it threatening. Even if it isn't really a threat anymore.

[United Traders]

The fact that he had even allowed the civil war to happen and that he had denied southern states their right to succeed from the union. He was also pretty stupid choosing a running mate from the opposite party...

No state has a right to secede from the union. No state can survive on their own. Also, choosing the running mate from an opposite party was a wise move to show he could be bipartisan. Of course, when his running mate became president, he turned out to be one of the worst presidents ever.

Every state has the right to succeed, especially Texas. It was in the terms of their annexation. For another thing, Texas sure as hell could survive on their own.

[Death Metal]

Them good ole days of Anti-Commie sentiment, right?

Have those days ever really gone away? Communism is still viewed as a backwater ideology, it's just there's no real "threat" of communism anymore, since the iron curtain fell.

You could argue that there was never really a threat to begin with, and that the nuclear arms race was due to American support of European groups that opposed the Soviet Union. But that's another topic.

[Me-lek]

George Washington for starting America in the first place

You don't know history very well...

did you hear a whoosh sound over your head?
that was the joke you missed

[Death Metal]

No state has a right to secede from the union. No state can survive on their own. Also, choosing the running mate from an opposite party was a wise move to show he could be bipartisan. Of course, when his running mate became president, he turned out to be one of the worst presidents ever.

Every state has the right to succeed, especially Texas.

Nope.

Also, Texas would have the worst luck without the Federal Government. Their loss of federal funding alone would cripple them.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

Every state has the right to succeed, especially Texas.

Nope.

Also, Texas would have the worst luck without the Federal Government. Their loss of federal funding alone would cripple them.

A nationalization of the oil fields would reverse that for a Texas Republic.

[United Traders]

Every state has the right to succeed, especially Texas.

Nope.

Also, Texas would have the worst luck without the Federal Government. Their loss of federal funding alone would cripple them.

Texas has oil and a stable economy. And yes they do have the right to succeed whenever they please.

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

Nope.

Also, Texas would have the worst luck without the Federal Government. Their loss of federal funding alone would cripple them.

Texas has oil and a stable economy. And yes they do have the right to succeed whenever they please.

Cite it in the US constitution, please.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Every state has the right to succeed, especially Texas.

Nope.

Also, Texas would have the worst luck without the Federal Government. Their loss of federal funding alone would cripple them.

Socialism!

[Gold state]

Nope.

Also, Texas would have the worst luck without the Federal Government. Their loss of federal funding alone would cripple them.

Socialism!

Shock horror!

[Confederation of the Highlands]

Texas has oil and a stable economy. And yes they do have the right to succeed whenever they please.

Cite it in the US constitution, please.

Yes, please cite it. Might have better luck with the Treaty of Annexation than the constitution.

[The Orson Empire]

Nope.

Also, Texas would have the worst luck without the Federal Government. Their loss of federal funding alone would cripple them.

Texas has oil and a stable economy. And yes they do have the right to succeed whenever they please.

According to who, you?

Because it is illegal for a state to secede from the Union.

[Death Metal]

Nope.

Also, Texas would have the worst luck without the Federal Government. Their loss of federal funding alone would cripple them.

Texas has oil and a stable economy. And yes they do have the right to succeed whenever they please.

No, the United States has oil in Texas.

Also, Texas forfeited their right to secede when they ratified the 14th amendment.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

George Washington. Son of a bitch was horrible to the Native American cultures of the time. There's a pretty damn good reason why the Iroquois dubbed him the "Town Destroyer". The man was no saint, nor should he ever be.

George Washington was the best president in history, had we not fucked over the natives we would still just be a small nation.

He was pretty authoritarian with his people when he first took office, which dings him in my book a bit. He should've listened to Jefferson, rather than Hamilton, on how to run the inaugural presidency.

[ALMF]

I’m just curious about what people would think. So just post the president you think is the worst and why.

The American Traitor Ronald Reagan.

[Death Metal]

I’m just curious about what people would think. So just post the president you think is the worst and why.

The American Traitor Ronald Reagan.

But the buck stopped with Reagan!

Except for those eleven times that he raised taxes!

[ALMF]

The American Traitor Ronald Reagan.

But the buck stopped with Reagan!

Except for those eleven times that he raised taxes!

So hes responsablee for evrything he did rong but not the oun thing he did right?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

1. Reagan was worse on both counts. Got 300 Marines killed in Beirut because of piss-poor security, and sold weapons to a terrorist state.

2. Actually, unemployment did not get significantly worse during Carter's administration, or at least not worse than it did under his successor. Inflation did get worse, though, and it could be argued that Iran was badly bungled. Still not sure that he was among the worst, but okay.

3. You mean "Because he got caught", right?

4. Okay

5. Eh, others were arguable worse in this regard, but I won't quibble.

1. I liked Reagan, but your right on this one. Although, the security was put in place by the colonel in command who placed the Marines in a depression along the coast near the airport, very bad. Also, he restricted the Marines rules of engagement (I think). However, the buck stops with Reagan.

2. If you want to blame Reagan for the economic situation he inherited from Carter, then please don't absolve Obama from Bush's recession. Also, Reagan outperformed Obama as recoveries go:



3. Nixon was dangerous and dysfunctional.

4. Okay.

5. Agreed, but it was a near impossibility to sooth the ill will between the South and North.

The Bush recession started under Bush. Carter had to deal with inflation (and bears much of the blame for that), but the recession started with the first Reagan budget. Also, Reagan didn't deal with a recalcitrant Congress, and didn't have to drag the economy up from such a deep depth.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

But the buck stopped with Reagan!

Except for those eleven times that he raised taxes!

So hes responsablee for evrything he did rong but not the oun thing he did right?

What was this one thing?

[ALMF]

So hes responsablee for evrything he did rong but not the oun thing he did right?

What was this one thing?

"those eleven times that he raised taxes"