Worst American president in history?

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

The only oppressive government was the one that allowed its bourgeoisie to own other people.

So then both are oppressive. Slavery was allowed in Washington DC and Deleware, obviously staunch Union areas.

There were very, very, very, few slaves in the north. Delaware is not only a tiny state, but it isn't exactly what you'd call a good place for plantations.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

Personally I think that Murica would have been much better in today's world had the CSA won it's independence. Which shouldn't have to have been fought over in the first place.

Slavery would've continued until at least the 1900s. That would've been disgusting. The realities of slavery are too harsh for any of us to even think of.

I would say 1900 at the very latest, due to Britain and France barely tolerating it in the 1860's of the South (them being the major source of industrial good sin the South)

[Death Metal]

Or at least not have their women raped an cities burned by an invading army.....

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

Their legitimacy is debatable, but the Union allowed them to secede peacefully. The so-called "invasion" by the Union was a quid pro quo measure that began well after the CSA tried to march right to Washington.

Luckily Lee was a complete tactical dunce who completely ignored his military advisors and tried to zerg rush Seminary Ridge.

[UED]

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

Their legitimacy is debatable, but the Union allowed them to secede peacefully. The so-called "invasion" by the Union was a quid pro quo measure that began well after the CSA tried to march right to Washington.

Luckily Lee was a complete tactical dunce who completely ignored his military advisors and tried to zerg rush Seminary Ridge.

XD

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

Slavery would've continued until at least the 1900s. That would've been disgusting. The realities of slavery are too harsh for any of us to even think of.

I would say 1900 at the very latest, due to Britain and France barely tolerating it in the 1860's of the South (them being the major source of industrial good sin the South)

Alabama would not have survived as a state in the CSA. They are far too poor to support themselves, as are several other southern states. And, because of the way their government is set up, the other states won't intervene. Crisis would have ensued.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

Their legitimacy is debatable, but the Union allowed them to secede peacefully. The so-called "invasion" by the Union was a quid pro quo measure that began well after the CSA tried to march right to Washington.

Luckily Lee was a complete tactical dunce who completely ignored his military advisors and tried to zerg rush Seminary Ridge.

Lee?! A dunce? Longstreet's competence was already in question. Lee so expected his artillery to be able to provide cover for the infantry charge, and Stuarts cavalry to arrive in time to help finish the job. Sounds like a good plan, does it not?

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

Their legitimacy is debatable, but the Union allowed them to secede peacefully. The so-called "invasion" by the Union was a quid pro quo measure that began well after the CSA tried to march right to Washington.

Luckily Lee was a complete tactical dunce who completely ignored his military advisors and tried to zerg rush Seminary Ridge.

Lee?! A dunce? Longstreet's competence was already in question. Lee so expected his artillery to be able to provide cover for the infantry charge, and Stuarts cavalry to arrive in time to help finish the job. Sounds like a good plan, does it not?

Maybe.

Except it didn't work.

[UED]

Did we seriously get into the civil war completely?
This is about bad presidents, not civil wars

[Death Metal]

You mean besides the gunships, armed schooners, armed sloops, and armed privateer ships?

If they were evacuating, and the Fort blockaded, would they not have sent frigate escorts with the transport ships?

Which would have required more funding, which is easier said than done. You forget that the Union also had a blockade.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

Lee?! A dunce? Longstreet's competence was already in question. Lee so expected his artillery to be able to provide cover for the infantry charge, and Stuarts cavalry to arrive in time to help finish the job. Sounds like a good plan, does it not?

Maybe.

Except it didn't work.

Stuart hadn't arrived in time, and the Artillery officer's failed to get in position in time before the charge. More of a failure of subordinates than the head general.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

"Their"? "Invading"? The CSA was an insurrection, a false government. The legitimate government had every right to intervene.

Their legitimacy is debatable, but the Union allowed them to secede peacefully. The so-called "invasion" by the Union was a quid pro quo measure that began well after the CSA tried to march right to Washington.

Luckily Lee was a complete tactical dunce who completely ignored his military advisors and tried to zerg rush Seminary Ridge.

At least CSA generals didn't charge into craters (cough) Burnside(cough).

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

Their legitimacy is debatable, but the Union allowed them to secede peacefully. The so-called "invasion" by the Union was a quid pro quo measure that began well after the CSA tried to march right to Washington.

Luckily Lee was a complete tactical dunce who completely ignored his military advisors and tried to zerg rush Seminary Ridge.

At least CSA generals didn't charge into craters (cough) Burnside(cough).

Why, again, are we discussing the civil war in the worst President thread?

[Death Metal]

Their legitimacy is debatable, but the Union allowed them to secede peacefully. The so-called "invasion" by the Union was a quid pro quo measure that began well after the CSA tried to march right to Washington.

Luckily Lee was a complete tactical dunce who completely ignored his military advisors and tried to zerg rush Seminary Ridge.

Lee?! A dunce? Longstreet's competence was already in question. Lee so expected his artillery to be able to provide cover for the infantry charge, and Stuarts cavalry to arrive in time to help finish the job. Sounds like a good plan, does it not?

Sounds like something that no fifteen thousand men ever put on earth could have accomplished.

Not to mention that the artillery fire failed miserably, and Lee changed nothing. Longstreet's alternative plan wasn't much better but allowed some degree of cover from the trees, where the direct charge had no cover at all.

So again: Dunce.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

At least CSA generals didn't charge into craters (cough) Burnside(cough).

Why, again, are we discussing the civil war in the worst President thread?

I would say that Woodrow Wilson was the worst. Imprisoned people for speaking against the government. Also helped establish that worthless League of Nations.....

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

Why, again, are we discussing the civil war in the worst President thread?

I would say that Woodrow Wilson was the worst. Imprisoned people for speaking against the government. Also helped establish that worthless League of Nations.....

I wonder what the average person was thinking of Wilson at the time. It must be difficult to say, considering you could be imprisoned for saying it.

[Confederation of the Highlands]

Lee?! A dunce? Longstreet's competence was already in question. Lee so expected his artillery to be able to provide cover for the infantry charge, and Stuarts cavalry to arrive in time to help finish the job. Sounds like a good plan, does it not?

Sounds like something that no fifteen thousand men ever put on earth could have accomplished.

Not to mention that the artillery fire failed miserably, and Lee changed nothing. Longstreet's alternative plan wasn't much better but allowed some degree of cover from the trees, where the direct charge had no cover at all.

So again: Dunce.

Longstreet's alternative was to fake a march towards Washington, to draw the Union Army out from their positions. Then smash them with the Shock Troops (Texas Brigade, Stonewall Brigade, etc.)

[United Traders]

Why, again, are we discussing the civil war in the worst President thread?[/quote]
It started because I had stated how I thought that Abe Lincoln was the worst president.

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

Why, again, are we discussing the civil war in the worst President thread?

It started because I had stated how I thought that Abe Lincoln was the worst president.

Because of the civil war?

[Aedyddia]

Slavery would've continued until at least the 1900s. That would've been disgusting. The realities of slavery are too harsh for any of us to even think of.

I would say 1900 at the very latest, due to Britain and France barely tolerating it in the 1860's of the South (them being the major source of industrial good sin the South)

and replaced by what?

do y'all seriously believe the csa would have anything remotely resembling racial equality today? give me a break.

[United Traders]

Why, again, are we discussing the civil war in the worst President thread?

It started because I had stated how I thought that Abe Lincoln was the worst president.

Because of the civil war?

Not directly because of the civil war.

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

Because of the civil war?

Not directly because of the civil war.

Then what?

[Confederation of the Highlands]

I would say 1900 at the very latest, due to Britain and France barely tolerating it in the 1860's of the South (them being the major source of industrial good sin the South)

and replaced by what?

do y'all seriously believe the csa would have anything remotely resembling racial equality today? give me a break.

It wouldn't be the CSA. It would have been forced to rejoin the Union, due to it having a weakened economy.

[Death Metal]

Why, again, are we discussing the civil war in the worst President thread?

I would say that Woodrow Wilson was the worst. Imprisoned people for speaking against the government.

It got worse after Wilson though. Remember, after WWII it basically became illegal to even be friends with a "subversive" (and being "subversive" was very ill-defined)

[Confederation of the Highlands]

I would say that Woodrow Wilson was the worst. Imprisoned people for speaking against the government.

It got worse after Wilson though. Remember, after WWII it basically became illegal to even be friends with a "subversive" (and being "subversive" was very ill-defined)

Them good ole days of Anti-Commie sentiment, right?

[Me-lek]

George Washington for starting America in the first place